hauntedcomputer wrote:Does this retroactively wipe out D-Wade's career? Because he was the worst
This rule change alone would've wiped out Paul Pierce and Wade's career FT attempts by half.
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hauntedcomputer wrote:Does this retroactively wipe out D-Wade's career? Because he was the worst
Johnny Bball wrote:Gusto1903 wrote:Johnny Bball wrote:Uh..I’m pretty sure that one is still a foul because he’s moving forward in his jump shot and it’s not any weird change of direction. I mean… that was a pure pump fake which they said this didn’t apply to right?
Comeon dawg, he literally just jumps into the player. Who Jumps on a Jumpshot from that spot like Steph did in that situation
Well dawg… if he’s jumping forward that’s not an unnatural change of direction. And everyone jumps about 3 feet forward on a jumpshot!
It’s obvious the rule isn’t clear to us yet, but I thought that was one of the criteria.
mynameKIM wrote:Johnny Bball wrote:Gusto1903 wrote:
Comeon dawg, he literally just jumps into the player. Who Jumps on a Jumpshot from that spot like Steph did in that situation
Well dawg… if he’s jumping forward that’s not an unnatural change of direction. And everyone jumps about 3 feet forward on a jumpshot!
It’s obvious the rule isn’t clear to us yet, but I thought that was one of the criteria.
Not Curry. His jumpshot is stationary.
mademan wrote:Johnny Bball wrote:mademan wrote:
If Steph shoots normal jumpshot, the defender will never hit him even with the defender jumping forward. It's Steph jumping 3 feet forward in an unnatural way that creates the contact. You really think that should be allowed? It's been a stupid way of officiating for a while and it's a miracle they changed it. Play basketball, doont foul bait
Okay I’m not sure what game you two guys watch ….but most shooters land about three feet forward when shooting a three. It’s how your taught. I’m not saying anything should be allowed, I just don’t think it’s all that clear when you read it. And you’ve read it, right?
im not sure what you were watching bruh. That clearly wasnt a jumpshot. He launched himself into the defender. Nobody shoots like that.
Intent isnt the criteria; the way its worded was natural vs unnatural. You seriously think thats a natural shot for Curry? cmon bruh
svart wrote:Guys, shut it. I am one of his biggest fans, but that was not a normal motion. that was not a foul.
Spin it every way you like it, it still does not make it a foul under the current rules. it was a shame it was a foul last year, and the years before.
hauntedcomputer wrote:Does this retroactively wipe out D-Wade's career? Because he was the worst
Karate Diop wrote:Overall this is a good change, but how are in-the-flow pump fakes going to be officiated? Will those no longer be called either?
There is a certain degree of skill in pump faking (think Kobe on the block)...
zeebneeb wrote:Those will still be called. Whats key in these new rules is the unnatural movement portion, and leaning into a player who was NOT going to land on the opposing player, amd had a clear path to the ground before the offensive player jumped into them.Karate Diop wrote:Overall this is a good change, but how are in-the-flow pump fakes going to be officiated? Will those no longer be called either?
There is a certain degree of skill in pump faking (think Kobe on the block)...
Pump fakes, and a player biting is a different ball of wax.
This will mostly stop the horsecrap that happens at the 3-point line. If it is enforced properly, you will see a decline in 3-point percentages across the league. Defensive players will slowly learn they can close out more effectively without worrying about getting called for an absurd foul anymore.
sunsbg wrote:I was told by certain players' fanbases foul-baiting is a skill, why would NBA try to prevent it. LOL
Duffman100 wrote:sunsbg wrote:I was told by certain players' fanbases foul-baiting is a skill, why would NBA try to prevent it. LOL
It is a skill. I always said that watching Derozan doing it, it was a skill.
I still hated it.
It can be both a skill and bad for the game.
sunsbg wrote:Duffman100 wrote:sunsbg wrote:I was told by certain players' fanbases foul-baiting is a skill, why would NBA try to prevent it. LOL
It is a skill. I always said that watching Derozan doing it, it was a skill.
I still hated it.
It can be both a skill and bad for the game.
There is a difference between faking someone who jumps over you and jumping forward searching for a contact to go to the FT line when you can't do anything else other than pass the ball to someone else (as it's done in all other leagues around the world instead of this foul-baiting BS). The former is a skill, the later is not. If this rule is applied we'll see much more passing than stars overdribbling trying to get to the FT line. Much better for the game.
Duffman100 wrote:sunsbg wrote:Duffman100 wrote:
It is a skill. I always said that watching Derozan doing it, it was a skill.
I still hated it.
It can be both a skill and bad for the game.
There is a difference between faking someone who jumps over you and jumping forward searching for a contact to go to the FT line when you can't do anything else other than pass the ball to someone else (as it's done in all other leagues around the world instead of this foul-baiting BS). The former is a skill, the later is not. If this rule is applied we'll see much more passing than stars overdribbling trying to get to the FT line. Much better for the game.
Both are skills. Doing it so that you get the ref to buy it, it's a skill. I hate it, I think it's crap...but there's reasons why some people are good at it and others aren't. Because it's a skill.
Betta Bulleavit wrote:Karate Diop wrote:Overall this is a good change, but how are in-the-flow pump fakes going to be officiated? Will those no longer be called either?
There is a certain degree of skill in pump faking (think Kobe on the block)...
In theory, it should be pretty simple. If the shooter pump fakes and then goes straight up with the shot (after the initial fake) and the defender jumps toward the shooter making contact, then you call that foul on the defender for obvious reasons.
However, if the defender goes straight up on a pump fake and then the shooter jumps into the defender (in an otherwise unnatural shooting motion) then it should be a play-on since both the shooter and the defender have a right to space and in this case, the shooter would be initiating the contact. Just my opinion.
Alonzo_Morning wrote:I must be the only one who doesn't like it.
If you're good enough to pump fake the **** out of your opponent and have him flying towards you, I have no problems getting rewarded for it