Ben Simmons/Sixers/Is he getting fined? (updated)

[Slacktard]

Imagine being a professional basketball player and sitting out for a year because of some comments made by your coach.

What a waste.

You forgot to include the Sixers ownership adding Morey who attempted to trade Simmons for Harden at the beginning of last season. Then there are Embiid comments and the fans. Ownership, GM, head coach, franchise player, and fans are all against Simmons. Simmons has been uniquely unsupported, and the lack of support began before Rivers comments.

You got the perfect username to defend Simmons.

[Lalouie]

Haha good on Simmons then. He seems to be playing this perfectly.

you mean klutch

[danvato]

I wonder why Goran Dragic is not getting any **** for sitting home. I guess early on it looked like Raptors may be tanking. But they are a 500+ winning team. Is Dragic too good for them?

[zimpy27]

I believe WOj confirmed it as well.

Did he? Do you have a link?

Ramona is tied to Rich Paul, so maybe Woj is too. Perhaps Shams is tied to Morey. More interesting from this is learning who is aligned with pushing out certain information.

Naw it's the other way around. Shams is tied to Paul. Paul represents Shams. I believe Woj is basically neutral, but Morey uses him a lot. Ramona is a Paul person.

Just checked, the Woj leak was prior to the Shams report.

So all of this is very confusing. Given that Shams and Ramona are both tied to Paul.

With that being said, I believe he's been fined this whole time.

Yeah, the conflicting reports are very confusing tbh..

Shams says Simmons is co-operating with 76ers demands and therefore not getting fined.
Ramona is saying Simmons is co-operating with 76ers demands but still being fined.

Odd

[HartfordWhalers]

I believe WOj confirmed it as well.

Did he? Do you have a link?

Ramona is tied to Rich Paul, so maybe Woj is too. Perhaps Shams is tied to Morey. More interesting from this is learning who is aligned with pushing out certain information.

Naw it's the other way around. Shams is tied to Paul. Paul represents Shams. I believe Woj is basically neutral, but Morey uses him a lot. Ramona is a Paul person.

Just checked, the Woj leak was prior to the Shams report.

So all of this is very confusing. Given that Shams and Ramona are both tied to Paul.

With that being said, I believe he's been fined this whole time.

The confusion I believe is the team had originally decided to fine Simmons for missed games as well as missed practices and similar smaller things. They stopped the fines for small things but I believe it has been pretty well reported that the fines for games continued.

If I'm understanding the current report right, Simmons so far has been given 8.25m. If he never plays, fines will total ~31 of his 32m salary. Now, I assume there will be a big battle as to whether the fines stick then, but if it goes to then and they do he would owe the team 7m from the money he was already paid. The whole situation should be interesting.

[HartfordWhalers]

Yeah, the conflicting reports are very confusing tbh..

Shams says Simmons is co-operating with 76ers demands and therefore not getting fined.
Ramona is saying Simmons is co-operating with 76ers demands but still being fined.

Odd

I'm not sure where you are getting that from.

Every two weeks the team sends a notice with an explanation of all the fines he has accumulated for failing to render services, instead of a $1.375 million paycheck.

That doesn't sound like the team thinks he is cooperating. I didn't read anything in the report that made it sound that way.

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

Can’t understand why people care.

Simmons is getting paid well into 8-figures a year to play a game that relies on fans to put their money into increasing ticket prices and TV packages. If we shouldn't care about an all-NBA max player just refusing to show up, we probably shouldn't care enough to waste our time on this game. I guess you are probably right and we shouldn't care so much about 20 year-olds playing basketball. I would have a lot more free time.

[CIN-C-STAR]

Imagine being a professional basketball player and sitting out for a year because of some comments made by your coach.

What a waste.

You forgot to include the Sixers ownership adding Morey who attempted to trade Simmons for Harden at the beginning of last season. Then there are Embiid comments and the fans. Ownership, GM, head coach, franchise player, and fans are all against Simmons. Simmons has been uniquely unsupported, and the lack of support began before Rivers comments.

So because they tried to trade him for a vastly superior player that means he "has been uniquely unsupported"?
You know teams make trades pretty regularly in all major sports, right? Nothing unique about that at all, actually.
It also doesn't mean they dont support him. It just means they think Harden is better, which, frankly, is obvious to even casual observers.

[Nuntius]

Ok. Let’s say the mental illness is real. If it’s real. Why does rich paul meet with morey last month and say Simmons still wants to be traded

If he had real mental health issue. Paul should have just stuck to that. Rather than include Simmons still wants to be traded.

Because it is obvious that his work environment is toxic for him and a toxic work environment contributes to mental health issues.

[Nuntius]

Ben Simmons has made mental health a complete joke. Fine him until he plays, or the next CBA is going to install a rule for people like him

As someone who has battled with mental health, posts like this are a joke. When I eventually told friends and family what I had been through they thought I was joking. From the outside, I had a fantastic life. Amazing friends/family, well travelled, successful business owner yet still battled that ****. It took me years to get through that ****. So unless you are Ben, then you have absolutely no idea.

I actually posted that I think he had mental health issues dating back to last year when he was playing. His on court issues with not shooting 3’s is a huge red flag but the biggest thing is the off court issues surrounding his sister and brother. Ever since that came out there has been a clear drop in his play and attitude throw in the stuff with the playoffs where he took the blame for the teams failures (even though plenty were at fault), then I can see why he’s going through what he is.

Or you know... you've been bamboozled. It's pretty damn telling that he didn't go through the proper channels to ensure he doesn't get fined with his mental health excuse. The only reason why the 76ers are able to actually fine him with this mental health issues, is because he has refused to be transparent with the whole process in getting help.

He played pretty damn well in the first round against the Wizards

The NBPA is one of these proper channels, though. And when the Sixers asked to co-operate with a team psychologist, he did that as well (granted, he didn't do it right away, he delayed that).

[SkyBill40]

Ok. Let’s say the mental illness is real. If it’s real. Why does rich paul meet with morey last month and say Simmons still wants to be traded

If he had real mental health issue. Paul should have just stuck to that. Rather than include Simmons still wants to be traded.

Because it is obvious that his work environment is toxic for him and a toxic work environment contributes to mental health issues.

It's a somewhat vicious circle though seeing that Simmons is likely a key contributor to said toxic work environment. He can't play the victim here if he is in the mix and a reason why it is how it is. This goes deeper than any concern of mental illness. Simmons is just a soft and coddled. Someone checked him on it and he couldn't take it and got all into his feelings about it.

The first step in making a positive change is acceptance and Simmons doesn't seem to want any part of that process. He just wants to lay blame to others, throw the victim card, and walk away from a legally binding agreement he made with the team. I get that he's somewhat abiding by their steps to get him some help, but I personally think it's a lack of ownership on his part.

[kuclas]

Ok. Let’s say the mental illness is real. If it’s real. Why does rich paul meet with morey last month and say Simmons still wants to be traded

If he had real mental health issue. Paul should have just stuck to that. Rather than include Simmons still wants to be traded.

Because it is obvious that his work environment is toxic for him and a toxic work environment contributes to mental health issues.

That’s not a good enough reason. He’s a professional athlete who’s subject to criticism.

Players and even coaches are subject to criticism all the time. He’s not the first. Not the last.

[Nuntius]

Ok. Let’s say the mental illness is real. If it’s real. Why does rich paul meet with morey last month and say Simmons still wants to be traded

If he had real mental health issue. Paul should have just stuck to that. Rather than include Simmons still wants to be traded.

Because it is obvious that his work environment is toxic for him and a toxic work environment contributes to mental health issues.

It's a somewhat vicious circle though seeing that Simmons is likely a key contributor to said toxic work environment. He can't play the victim here if he is in the mix and a reason why it is how it is. This goes deeper than any concern of mental illness. Simmons is just a soft and coddled. Someone checked him on it and he couldn't take it and got all into his feelings about it.

The first step in making a positive change is acceptance and Simmons doesn't seem to want any part of that process. He just wants to lay blame to others, throw the victim card, and walk away from a legally binding agreement he made with the team. I get that he's somewhat abiding by their steps to get him some help, but I personally think it's a lack of ownership on his part.

Simmons could be the worst person on planet Earth and that still wouldn't change the fact that a toxic work environment is hurtful to someone's mental health. I mean, that's something that you can see every day. A toxic work environmental is detrimental to everyone's mental health, even to people who don't struggle from mental health issues. Now, imagine what it can do to someone who does suffer from mental health issues.

[zimpy27]

Yeah, the conflicting reports are very confusing tbh..

Shams says Simmons is co-operating with 76ers demands and therefore not getting fined.
Ramona is saying Simmons is co-operating with 76ers demands but still being fined.

Odd

I'm not sure where you are getting that from.

Every two weeks the team sends a notice with an explanation of all the fines he has accumulated for failing to render services, instead of a $1.375 million paycheck.

That doesn't sound like the team thinks he is cooperating. I didn't read anything in the report that made it sound that way.

This is the actual article: https://www.espn.com.au/nba/insider/insider/story/_/id/33188431/the-specter-saga-haunts-ben-simmons-philadelphia-76ers

EVERY NIGHT AROUND 10 p.m., Simmons receives the team schedule for the next day. He shows up to shootarounds and film sessions when and where he's required to, according to a source close to him, to avoid getting fined for missing the team activity. But he rarely stays long or engages with anyone.

[planetmars]

I wonder why Goran Dragic is not getting any **** for sitting home. I guess early on it looked like Raptors may be tanking. But they are a 500+ winning team. Is Dragic too good for them?

That's a mutual decision. Toronto doesn't want him around. And he doesn't want to be in Toronto. It's similar to the Iggy situation with Memphis a couple of years ago.

[SelfishPlayer]

Imagine being a professional basketball player and sitting out for a year because of some comments made by your coach.

What a waste.

You forgot to include the Sixers ownership adding Morey who attempted to trade Simmons for Harden at the beginning of last season. Then there are Embiid comments and the fans. Ownership, GM, head coach, franchise player, and fans are all against Simmons. Simmons has been uniquely unsupported, and the lack of support began before Rivers comments.

You got the perfect username to defend Simmons.

Simmons is notorious for being too unselfish, but ok...

[Nuntius]

Ok. Let’s say the mental illness is real. If it’s real. Why does rich paul meet with morey last month and say Simmons still wants to be traded

If he had real mental health issue. Paul should have just stuck to that. Rather than include Simmons still wants to be traded.

Because it is obvious that his work environment is toxic for him and a toxic work environment contributes to mental health issues.

That’s not a good enough reason. He’s a professional athlete who’s subject to criticism.

Players and even coaches are subject to criticism all the time. He’s not the first. Not the last.

Not a good reason? Who gets to decide what affects another person's mental health?

[SelfishPlayer]

Imagine being a professional basketball player and sitting out for a year because of some comments made by your coach.

What a waste.

You forgot to include the Sixers ownership adding Morey who attempted to trade Simmons for Harden at the beginning of last season. Then there are Embiid comments and the fans. Ownership, GM, head coach, franchise player, and fans are all against Simmons. Simmons has been uniquely unsupported, and the lack of support began before Rivers comments.

So because they tried to trade him for a vastly superior player that means he "has been uniquely unsupported"?
You know teams make trades pretty regularly in all major sports, right? Nothing unique about that at all, actually.
It also doesn't mean they dont support him. It just means they think Harden is better, which, frankly, is obvious to even casual observers.

Embiid?

[kuclas]

Because it is obvious that his work environment is toxic for him and a toxic work environment contributes to mental health issues.

It's a somewhat vicious circle though seeing that Simmons is likely a key contributor to said toxic work environment. He can't play the victim here if he is in the mix and a reason why it is how it is. This goes deeper than any concern of mental illness. Simmons is just a soft and coddled. Someone checked him on it and he couldn't take it and got all into his feelings about it.

The first step in making a positive change is acceptance and Simmons doesn't seem to want any part of that process. He just wants to lay blame to others, throw the victim card, and walk away from a legally binding agreement he made with the team. I get that he's somewhat abiding by their steps to get him some help, but I personally think it's a lack of ownership on his part.

Simmons could be the worst person on planet Earth and that still wouldn't change the fact that a toxic work environment is hurtful to someone's mental health. I mean, that's something that you can see every day. A toxic work environmental is detrimental to everyone's mental health, even to people who don't struggle from mental health issues. Now, imagine what it can do to someone who does suffer from mental health issues.

He could quit. How about that. Is he gonna to forgo the remaining 120 million?

He’s got to prove toxic work environment if he wants to sue. Which’s is near impossible.

[SkyBill40]

Because it is obvious that his work environment is toxic for him and a toxic work environment contributes to mental health issues.

It's a somewhat vicious circle though seeing that Simmons is likely a key contributor to said toxic work environment. He can't play the victim here if he is in the mix and a reason why it is how it is. This goes deeper than any concern of mental illness. Simmons is just a soft and coddled. Someone checked him on it and he couldn't take it and got all into his feelings about it.

The first step in making a positive change is acceptance and Simmons doesn't seem to want any part of that process. He just wants to lay blame to others, throw the victim card, and walk away from a legally binding agreement he made with the team. I get that he's somewhat abiding by their steps to get him some help, but I personally think it's a lack of ownership on his part.

Simmons could be the worst person on planet Earth and that still wouldn't change the fact that a toxic work environment is hurtful to someone's mental health. I mean, that's something that you can see every day. A toxic work environmental is detrimental to everyone's mental health, even to people who don't struggle from mental health issues. Now, imagine what it can do to someone who does suffer from mental health issues.

I completely understand that. I've worked in a place where it was toxic and left when I finally had enough and found a better gig. The difference between my situation and this one with Simmons is that I didn't sign a contract I'm being expected to honor. He HAS to understand the ramifications of that contract. It's not just as simple as refusing to play or walking away. I'm not saying he doesn't get it on the contract aspect, but that's a key here.

I wish him the best in getting the help he needs, be it in Philly or elsewhere.