Pascal Siakam - Back or Fools gold?

[realball]

I think he's back. But I also think he's a glorified second option at best, probably a third option on a good team.

He was literally a second option on a championship winning team.

He wasn’t the clear cut 2nd option. Lowry could easily be considered more important. FVV at times, Gasol at other times.

Yes please tell us more about our own team lol.

Siakam was our second-leading scorer on the team, and since then he's won MIP and become a 20 ppg scorer. But tell us more about how FVV playing 27 mpg off the bench or Gasol and his 9 ppg were more important to our team that year, go ahead.

[GiannisAnte34]

He was literally a second option on a championship winning team.

He wasn’t the clear cut 2nd option. Lowry could easily be considered more important. FVV at times, Gasol at other times.

Yes please tell us more about our own team lol.

Siakam was our second-leading scorer on the team, and since then he's won MIP and become a 20 ppg scorer. But tell us more about how FVV playing 27 mpg off the bench or Gasol and his 9 ppg were more important to our team that year, go ahead.

Raptors fans are known to be delusional on here so don’t act like “we know our own team better” is some sticking point. Siakam isn’t legit around the league except to Raptors fans. Seem to remember how Raptors fans also said 1) the Bucks would never win 2) trading Brogdon was a disaster 3) Spicy P was a potential MVP player rofl

[realball]

He wasn’t the clear cut 2nd option. Lowry could easily be considered more important. FVV at times, Gasol at other times.

Yes please tell us more about our own team lol.

Siakam was our second-leading scorer on the team, and since then he's won MIP and become a 20 ppg scorer. But tell us more about how FVV playing 27 mpg off the bench or Gasol and his 9 ppg were more important to our team that year, go ahead.

Raptors fans are known to be delusional on here so don’t act like “we know our own team better” is some sticking point. Siakam isn’t legit around the league except to Raptors fans. Seem to remember how Raptors fans also said 1) the Bucks would never win 2) trading Brogdon was a disaster 3) Spicy P was a potential MVP player rofl

Oh right, give us a sob story about how Raps fans were mean to you, what a great argument lol. Wah wah.

Siakam was literally All-NBA 2nd team and was the best player on a 59-win team. But please, tell us more how he isn't "legit". All you're doing is proving you don't know ****.

[Floody100]

Yes please tell us more about our own team lol.

Siakam was our second-leading scorer on the team, and since then he's won MIP and become a 20 ppg scorer. But tell us more about how FVV playing 27 mpg off the bench or Gasol and his 9 ppg were more important to our team that year, go ahead.

Raptors fans are known to be delusional on here so don’t act like “we know our own team better” is some sticking point. Siakam isn’t legit around the league except to Raptors fans. Seem to remember how Raptors fans also said 1) the Bucks would never win 2) trading Brogdon was a disaster 3) Spicy P was a potential MVP player rofl

Oh right, give us a sob story about how Raps fans were mean to you, what a great argument lol. Wah wah.

Siakam was literally All-NBA 2nd team and was the best player on a 59-win team. But please, tell us more how he isn't "legit". All you're doing is proving you don't know ****.

Yeah & then Jaylen Brown made him look like an absolute spud.

[GiannisAnte34]

Yes please tell us more about our own team lol.

Siakam was our second-leading scorer on the team, and since then he's won MIP and become a 20 ppg scorer. But tell us more about how FVV playing 27 mpg off the bench or Gasol and his 9 ppg were more important to our team that year, go ahead.

Raptors fans are known to be delusional on here so don’t act like “we know our own team better” is some sticking point. Siakam isn’t legit around the league except to Raptors fans. Seem to remember how Raptors fans also said 1) the Bucks would never win 2) trading Brogdon was a disaster 3) Spicy P was a potential MVP player rofl

Oh right, give us a sob story about how Raps fans were mean to you, what a great argument lol. Wah wah.

Siakam was literally All-NBA 2nd team and was the best player on a 59-win team. But please, tell us more how he isn't "legit". All you're doing is proving you don't know ****.

And yet the Warriors didn’t want to give up Kuminga and Moody for this legit All-NBA 2nd team star. Wonder why Masai wanted to trade this superbly talented player for prospects

[realball]

Raptors fans are known to be delusional on here so don’t act like “we know our own team better” is some sticking point. Siakam isn’t legit around the league except to Raptors fans. Seem to remember how Raptors fans also said 1) the Bucks would never win 2) trading Brogdon was a disaster 3) Spicy P was a potential MVP player rofl

Oh right, give us a sob story about how Raps fans were mean to you, what a great argument lol. Wah wah.

Siakam was literally All-NBA 2nd team and was the best player on a 59-win team. But please, tell us more how he isn't "legit". All you're doing is proving you don't know ****.

And yet the Warriors didn’t want to give up Kuminga and Moody for this legit All-NBA 2nd team star. Wonder why Masai wanted to trade this superbly talented player for prospects

Who said that we were looking to trade Siakam? Talk about delusional...

[realball]

Raptors fans are known to be delusional on here so don’t act like “we know our own team better” is some sticking point. Siakam isn’t legit around the league except to Raptors fans. Seem to remember how Raptors fans also said 1) the Bucks would never win 2) trading Brogdon was a disaster 3) Spicy P was a potential MVP player rofl

Oh right, give us a sob story about how Raps fans were mean to you, what a great argument lol. Wah wah.

Siakam was literally All-NBA 2nd team and was the best player on a 59-win team. But please, tell us more how he isn't "legit". All you're doing is proving you don't know ****.

Yeah & then Jaylen Brown made him look like an absolute spud.

Yeah, Siakam sucked in the bubble (and in Tampa), which is why this thread is about him going back to his pre-bubble form. Try and keep up.

[GiannisAnte34]

Oh right, give us a sob story about how Raps fans were mean to you, what a great argument lol. Wah wah.

Siakam was literally All-NBA 2nd team and was the best player on a 59-win team. But please, tell us more how he isn't "legit". All you're doing is proving you don't know ****.

And yet the Warriors didn’t want to give up Kuminga and Moody for this legit All-NBA 2nd team star. Wonder why Masai wanted to trade this superbly talented player for prospects

Who said that we were looking to trade Siakam? Talk about delusional...

Your own board does but now suddenly Siakam is legit again after beating depleted teams rofl

Keep that same energy when the Raps are bounced in the 1st round

[realball]

And yet the Warriors didn’t want to give up Kuminga and Moody for this legit All-NBA 2nd team star. Wonder why Masai wanted to trade this superbly talented player for prospects

Who said that we were looking to trade Siakam? Talk about delusional...

Your own board does but now suddenly Siakam is legit again after beating depleted teams rofl

Keep that same energy when the Raps are bounced in the 1st round

So first Masai wanted to trade him, now it's the board? Raps fans really messed you up in the past huh lmao.

[bwgood77]

Well his efficiency isn't back and his 3pt% is not back from 2-3 years ago, but I think he's a very valuable player who can play 5 in small ball units and guard 3-5 or 2-5 and is a good passer who can also get you buckets.

Like Draymond, I think he is a very important player (though I guess that depends on your take on Draymond...I personally think he is very valuable), but he is an even more versatile defender and a better scorer. Not quite the passer. Very nice player to have on a team if you have scoring and Toronto can really switch almost everyone on defense.

[GiannisAnte34]

Who said that we were looking to trade Siakam? Talk about delusional...

Your own board does but now suddenly Siakam is legit again after beating depleted teams rofl

Keep that same energy when the Raps are bounced in the 1st round

So first Masai wanted to trade him, now it's the board? Raps fans really messed you up in the past huh lmao.

Imagine two things happening, mind blown

[realball]

Your own board does but now suddenly Siakam is legit again after beating depleted teams rofl

Keep that same energy when the Raps are bounced in the 1st round

So first Masai wanted to trade him, now it's the board? Raps fans really messed you up in the past huh lmao.

Imagine two things happening, mind blown

Oh I see the two things that happened, A) you getting bullied by Raps fans and B) you throwing a hissy fit about it. You still haven't told me when Masai tried to trade Siakam though.

[GiannisAnte34]

So first Masai wanted to trade him, now it's the board? Raps fans really messed you up in the past huh lmao.

Imagine two things happening, mind blown

Oh I see the two things that happened, A) you getting bullied by Raps fans and B) you throwing a hissy fit about it. You still haven't told me when Masai tried to trade Siakam though.

Leading up to draft night there were trade rumors between GS and Toronto for Siakam. Nothing is confirmed so maybe it’s all BS sure. Though purely speculative it wouldn’t have been wise to sell Siakam at his low point since he had just been the lead on a team that was what, 13th in the East?

Spicy is a low end #2 that would need an extremely good #1 and #3 to win a title, which he did the first time

[Caped Crusader]

And yet the Warriors didn’t want to give up Kuminga and Moody for this legit All-NBA 2nd team star. Wonder why Masai wanted to trade this superbly talented player for prospects

Who said that we were looking to trade Siakam? Talk about delusional...

Your own board does but now suddenly Siakam is legit again after beating depleted teams rofl

Keep that same energy when the Raps are bounced in the 1st round

Why do you hate the Raptors so much? It's so obvious your blood is poisoned by hate. Anyway, I thought Golden State offered us the package which was on the table but the pieces were never agreed to.

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[realball]

Imagine two things happening, mind blown

Oh I see the two things that happened, A) you getting bullied by Raps fans and B) you throwing a hissy fit about it. You still haven't told me when Masai tried to trade Siakam though.

Leading up to draft night there were trade rumors between GS and Toronto for Siakam. Nothing is confirmed so maybe it’s all BS sure. Though purely speculative it wouldn’t have been wise to sell Siakam at his low point since he had just been the lead on a team that was what, 13th in the East?

Spicy is a low end #2 that would need an extremely good #1 and #3 to win a title, which he did the first time

Oh so you're saying your little barb about Siakam not being worth Kuminga/Wiseman was just based on a bunch of hearsay then? Thanks for clearing that up.

A low end #2 who needs a good #1 and #3... you're describing Kris Middleton. I for sure agree, Siakam is in same range as Middleton as a player.

[GiannisAnte34]

Who said that we were looking to trade Siakam? Talk about delusional...

Your own board does but now suddenly Siakam is legit again after beating depleted teams rofl

Keep that same energy when the Raps are bounced in the 1st round

Why do you hate the Raptors so much? It's so obvious your blood is poisoned by hate. Anyway, I thought Golden State offered us the package which was on the table but the pieces were never agreed to.

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From what I remember Masai wanted Kuminga Moody and Wiseman basically. That’s an overpay for Spicy

[GiannisAnte34]

Oh I see the two things that happened, A) you getting bullied by Raps fans and B) you throwing a hissy fit about it. You still haven't told me when Masai tried to trade Siakam though.

Leading up to draft night there were trade rumors between GS and Toronto for Siakam. Nothing is confirmed so maybe it’s all BS sure. Though purely speculative it wouldn’t have been wise to sell Siakam at his low point since he had just been the lead on a team that was what, 13th in the East?

Spicy is a low end #2 that would need an extremely good #1 and #3 to win a title, which he did the first time

Oh so you're saying your little barb about Siakam not being worth Kuminga/Wiseman was just based on a bunch of hearsay then? Thanks for clearing that up.

A low end #2 who needs a good #1 and #3... you're describing Kris Middleton. I for sure agree, Siakam is in same range as Middleton as a player.

You’re a report or some insider who’s got better sources of information than anyone else here? FOH

Middleton does need that to win titles, not sure how that changes anything said about Spicy. Main difference is what a team would need to compliment their other pieces

[realball]

Leading up to draft night there were trade rumors between GS and Toronto for Siakam. Nothing is confirmed so maybe it’s all BS sure. Though purely speculative it wouldn’t have been wise to sell Siakam at his low point since he had just been the lead on a team that was what, 13th in the East?

Spicy is a low end #2 that would need an extremely good #1 and #3 to win a title, which he did the first time

Oh so you're saying your little barb about Siakam not being worth Kuminga/Wiseman was just based on a bunch of hearsay then? Thanks for clearing that up.

A low end #2 who needs a good #1 and #3... you're describing Kris Middleton. I for sure agree, Siakam is in same range as Middleton as a player.

You’re a report or some insider who’s got better sources of information than anyone else here? FOH

Middleton does need that to win titles, not sure how that changes anything said about Spicy. Main difference is what a team would need to compliment their other pieces

What report? Show me which report said Masai offered Siakam to GS and was turned down.

Every Raps fan agrees that Siakam is #2 at best. You agreed that he could only be a #3 on a good team and wasn't #2 on our championship team, now you're saying he can be the #2 on a championship team? C'mon bro, don't fall apart now. Why exactly is Siakam not "legit"? Because a Raps fan made you cry a few years back or something? Is Middleton also not legit?

[GiannisAnte34]

Oh so you're saying your little barb about Siakam not being worth Kuminga/Wiseman was just based on a bunch of hearsay then? Thanks for clearing that up.

A low end #2 who needs a good #1 and #3... you're describing Kris Middleton. I for sure agree, Siakam is in same range as Middleton as a player.

You’re a report or some insider who’s got better sources of information than anyone else here? FOH

Middleton does need that to win titles, not sure how that changes anything said about Spicy. Main difference is what a team would need to compliment their other pieces

What report? Show me which report said Masai offered Siakam to GS and was turned down.

Every Raps fan agrees that Siakam is #2 at best. You agreed that he could only be a #3 on a good team and wasn't #2 on our championship team, now you're saying he can be the #2 on a championship team? C'mon bro, don't fall apart now. Why exactly is Siakam not "legit"? Because a Raps fan made you cry a few years back or something?

You said it yourself. Middleton isn’t a legit #2 either, he needs the perfect circumstances which is having an MVP #1 and a #3 who is pretty much just as good as him. That’s exactly the case for Spicy with Kawhi and Lowry. He isn’t “legit” because a team can’t always expect to get the best of a player, because certain players thrive when conditions are better for them and crumble when they aren’t. Spicy crumbled last year under the circumstances, teams figured out his little spin move and he sucked. Sorry it hurts your feels so much but you can stop projecting your tears.

[realball]

You’re a report or some insider who’s got better sources of information than anyone else here? FOH

Middleton does need that to win titles, not sure how that changes anything said about Spicy. Main difference is what a team would need to compliment their other pieces

What report? Show me which report said Masai offered Siakam to GS and was turned down.

Every Raps fan agrees that Siakam is #2 at best. You agreed that he could only be a #3 on a good team and wasn't #2 on our championship team, now you're saying he can be the #2 on a championship team? C'mon bro, don't fall apart now. Why exactly is Siakam not "legit"? Because a Raps fan made you cry a few years back or something?

You said it yourself. Middleton isn’t a legit #2 either, he needs the perfect circumstances which is having an MVP #1 and a #3 who is pretty much just as good as him. That’s exactly the case for Spicy with Kawhi and Lowry. He isn’t “legit” because a team can’t always expect to get the best of a player, because certain players thrive when conditions are better for them and crumble when they aren’t. Spicy crumbled last year under the circumstances, teams figured out his little spin move and he sucked. Sorry it hurts your feels so much but you can stop projecting your tears.

We aren't expecting Siakam to be any better than Middleton, why are you?

Also, where's that report?