If Chamberlain played in the modern era would he be considered the GOAT

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Re: If Chamberlain played in the modern era would he be considered the GOAT 

Post#61 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Tue Mar 22, 2022 5:16 am

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AAU would prevent Wilt from having the skills of LeBron or Giannis? Would that include Kevin Durant too?



Giannis didn't play AAU ball, while KD and LeBron aren't bigs :lol:


"Wilt would be shooting like Curry if he grew up today, here's a 10 second video of him making jumpshots, see!"


You failed to address skillset.




What is there to address? Neither KD or LeBron were playing center on their AAU teams. Wilt would be a center on any AAU team, he'd be the tallest kid on his team and the guards would dominate the ball, because that's what happens in AAU basketball and why American big men lag behind foreign bigs.

"Wilt would tell his parents to move to Europe, because at 13 he'd have the foresight to know American skill development is lacking, by 16 he'd be better than Jokic and Embiid too" - You
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Re: If Chamberlain played in the modern era would he be considered the GOAT 

Post#62 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Tue Mar 22, 2022 5:21 am

SNPA wrote:What’s a bigger, stronger, faster, higher leaping, more durable and more skilled Embiid in todays league? There’s your answer.




The guy who shot 51% from the freethrow line over the course of his career would be more skilled than Embiid? These Wilt threads are always filled with the worst hyperbole.
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Post#63 » by HEAT33 » Tue Mar 22, 2022 5:22 am

If he was on Miami. Replace Shaq with Prime Wilt. Have Mourning come off the bench or play PF/C and they win multiple rings. 2 strong men in the middle with Wade and other great shooters = not fair
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Re: If Chamberlain played in the modern era would he be considered the GOAT 

Post#64 » by SNPA » Tue Mar 22, 2022 5:26 am

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SNPA wrote:What’s a bigger, stronger, faster, higher leaping, more durable and more skilled Embiid in todays league? There’s your answer.




The guy who shot 51% from the freethrow line over the course of his career would be more skilled than Embiid? These Wilt threads are always filled with the worst hyperbole.

Free throw shooting is a single skill.
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Re: If Chamberlain played in the modern era would he be considered the GOAT 

Post#65 » by SelfishPlayer » Tue Mar 22, 2022 5:28 am

NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
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Giannis didn't play AAU ball, while KD and LeBron aren't bigs :lol:


"Wilt would be shooting like Curry if he grew up today, here's a 10 second video of him making jumpshots, see!"


You failed to address skillset.




What is there to address? Neither KD or LeBron were playing center on their AAU teams. Wilt would be a center on any AAU team, he'd be the tallest kid on his team and the guards would dominate the ball, because that's what happens in AAU basketball and why American big men lag behind foreign bigs.

"Wilt would tell his parents to move to Europe, because at 13 he'd have the foresight to know American skill development is lacking, by 16 he'd be better than Jokic and Embiid too" - You


Who played center for Durant's AAU teams?
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Re: If Chamberlain played in the modern era would he be considered the GOAT 

Post#66 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Tue Mar 22, 2022 5:37 am

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SNPA wrote:What’s a bigger, stronger, faster, higher leaping, more durable and more skilled Embiid in todays league? There’s your answer.




The guy who shot 51% from the freethrow line over the course of his career would be more skilled than Embiid? These Wilt threads are always filled with the worst hyperbole.

Free throw shooting is a single skill.



It's the easiest way to compare shooting skill, and how do you expect him to be more skilled than Embiid, when something so fundamental to the game was completely broken in his game. The 3 best offensive C's all shoot the three now, let me guess, Wilt would develop that skill even though he couldn't develop the skill of making a freethrow.
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Re: If Chamberlain played in the modern era would he be considered the GOAT 

Post#67 » by SNPA » Tue Mar 22, 2022 5:41 am

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The guy who shot 51% from the freethrow line over the course of his career would be more skilled than Embiid? These Wilt threads are always filled with the worst hyperbole.

Free throw shooting is a single skill.



It's the easiest way to compare shooting skill, and how do you expect him to be more skilled than Embiid, when something so fundamental to the game was completely broken in his game. The 3 best offensive C's all shoot the three now, let me guess, Wilt would develop that skill even though he couldn't develop the skill of making a freethrow.

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Post#68 » by falcolombardi » Tue Mar 22, 2022 5:43 am

he would be really good, and extremely intriguing player

i wonder if he would be a bit more like giannis and handle the ball more ?
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Re: If Chamberlain played in the modern era would he be considered the GOAT 

Post#69 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Tue Mar 22, 2022 5:53 am

SNPA wrote:
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SNPA wrote:Free throw shooting is a single skill.



It's the easiest way to compare shooting skill, and how do you expect him to be more skilled than Embiid, when something so fundamental to the game was completely broken in his game. The 3 best offensive C's all shoot the three now, let me guess, Wilt would develop that skill even though he couldn't develop the skill of making a freethrow.


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Post#70 » by SinceGatlingWasARookie » Tue Mar 22, 2022 5:56 am

I am all for thought time travel projections but the game was so different in the 1960s that Chamberlain in our era could be absolutely not close to GOAT or Absolutely unquestionably the GOAT. It simply can't be projected.

I do prefer bringing 1960s players forward to bringing current players backwards in time because current players are routinely breaking 1960s rules but 1960s players are not breaking modern rules.

If 2001 Shaq went back to the 1960s he would foul out with offensive fouls. But If 2,001 Players that Defended Shaq played as they did but with 1960s refs they also would foul out.

With 1960s refs LeBron and Giannis would continually be called for traveling. These moving screens of Draymond which are legal and not moving screens by current rule interpretation were moving screens in the 1960s and would have been called.

A lot of what looks like poor dribbling in the 1960s is not poor dribbling but is rather players doing what they have to do to not be called for traveling.
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Re: If Chamberlain played in the modern era would he be considered the GOAT 

Post#71 » by SinceGatlingWasARookie » Tue Mar 22, 2022 6:01 am

NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
SNPA wrote:
NoDopeOnSundays wrote:

It's the easiest way to compare shooting skill, and how do you expect him to be more skilled than Embiid, when something so fundamental to the game was completely broken in his game. The 3 best offensive C's all shoot the three now, let me guess, Wilt would develop that skill even though he couldn't develop the skill of making a freethrow.




Has anybody that can't hit free throws ever been a good 3 point shooter.
I don't think you want Wilt shooting 3s?
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Re: If Chamberlain played in the modern era would he be considered the GOAT 

Post#72 » by SNPA » Tue Mar 22, 2022 6:05 am

NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
SNPA wrote:
NoDopeOnSundays wrote:

It's the easiest way to compare shooting skill, and how do you expect him to be more skilled than Embiid, when something so fundamental to the game was completely broken in his game. The 3 best offensive C's all shoot the three now, let me guess, Wilt would develop that skill even though he couldn't develop the skill of making a freethrow.


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Practice in an empty gym means nothing, but maybe he should have shot hookshots at the freethrow line.

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Re: If Chamberlain played in the modern era would he be considered the GOAT 

Post#73 » by SelfishPlayer » Tue Mar 22, 2022 6:50 am

SelfishPlayer wrote:
NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
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You failed to address skillset.




What is there to address? Neither KD or LeBron were playing center on their AAU teams. Wilt would be a center on any AAU team, he'd be the tallest kid on his team and the guards would dominate the ball, because that's what happens in AAU basketball and why American big men lag behind foreign bigs.

"Wilt would tell his parents to move to Europe, because at 13 he'd have the foresight to know American skill development is lacking, by 16 he'd be better than Jokic and Embiid too" - You


Who played center for Durant's AAU teams?


That question went unanswered although you are still participating in the thread.
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Post#74 » by CreekShow » Tue Mar 22, 2022 7:09 am

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alebaba wrote:He would get expose, and wouldn't be able to put up those insane stats like he did in the 60s.


Nah, he'd put up bigger stats nowadays.


No way you can watch those old videos and see what the overwhelming majority used to look/play and think he would improve ANY numbers in todays game. Sure Wilt was different back then, but the overall skill of the league was trash compared to what it is now. Most those guys back then wouldnt even sniff the G League in todays league.
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Post#75 » by SelfishPlayer » Tue Mar 22, 2022 7:34 am

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alebaba wrote:He would get expose, and wouldn't be able to put up those insane stats like he did in the 60s.


Nah, he'd put up bigger stats nowadays.


No way you can watch those old videos and see what the overwhelming majority used to look/play and think he would improve ANY numbers in todays game. Sure Wilt was different back then, but the overall skill of the league was trash compared to what it is now. Most those guys back then wouldnt even sniff the G League in todays league.


Look how fast the basketball world has learned the Harden step back move. Why couldn't Wilt do the same with less advanced skills and moves that have developed over the decades? You can't possibly believe that a teenage Chet Holmgren could pull off this combination dribbling move on Steph Curry but somehow Wilt isn't a lock to be able to learn to do so if he fell out of a time capsule at 17 years of age.
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Re: If Chamberlain played in the modern era would he be considered the GOAT 

Post#76 » by Jables » Tue Mar 22, 2022 7:54 am

Wilt discussions are always so tiresome, here's this video of him doing something crazy and ignore that his actual impact was dubious even in the 60's, here's a baseless claim for why he wouldn't be a star today, so on.

I will say the optics of Wilt going up against a prime Bulls or Warriors team would be hilarious. Most versions of them didn't have legit C's and It's still impossible to see him making a case for being the GOAT against them.
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Post#77 » by SelfishPlayer » Tue Mar 22, 2022 8:07 am

Jables wrote:Wilt discussions are always so tiresome, here's this video of him doing something crazy and ignore that his actual impact was dubious even in the 60's, here's a baseless claim for why he wouldn't be a star today, so on.

I will say the optics of Wilt going up against a prime Bulls or Warriors team would be hilarious. Most versions of them didn't have legit C's and It's still impossible to see him making a case for being the GOAT against them.


Wilt would torch the Bulls. Look at David Robinson for optics here.
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Post#78 » by 70sFan » Tue Mar 22, 2022 8:36 am

CreekShow wrote:
xdrta+ wrote:
alebaba wrote:He would get expose, and wouldn't be able to put up those insane stats like he did in the 60s.


Nah, he'd put up bigger stats nowadays.


No way you can watch those old videos and see what the overwhelming majority used to look/play and think he would improve ANY numbers in todays game. Sure Wilt was different back then, but the overall skill of the league was trash compared to what it is now. Most those guys back then wouldnt even sniff the G League in todays league.

Do you even know most of "those guys"? If not, then how can you say that?
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Post#79 » by 70sFan » Tue Mar 22, 2022 8:37 am

alebaba wrote:easy to do those moves, when you're going against bums. I look like a 5 star recruits playing in my local pick up games, but I know ill get lit up if I play against tougher competition.

Cool, have you done that against athletic freaks like Bill Russell, Nate Thurmond, Walt Bellamy or Kareem Abdul-Jabbar?
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Post#80 » by 70sFan » Tue Mar 22, 2022 8:39 am

NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
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The guy who shot 51% from the freethrow line over the course of his career would be more skilled than Embiid? These Wilt threads are always filled with the worst hyperbole.

Free throw shooting is a single skill.



It's the easiest way to compare shooting skill, and how do you expect him to be more skilled than Embiid, when something so fundamental to the game was completely broken in his game. The 3 best offensive C's all shoot the three now, let me guess, Wilt would develop that skill even though he couldn't develop the skill of making a freethrow.

Wilt was far worse shooter than Embiid, but it is only one part of overall skillset. Wilt was still much better passer for example, it's not that easy.

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