Why does Jokic get far fewer FTAs than Embiid and Giannis?

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Re: Why does Jokic get far fewer FTAs than Embiid and Giannis? 

Post#61 » by Jables » Fri Apr 22, 2022 5:07 am

One thing in common for players known to get a lot of free throws like Embiid, Harden, prime Wade, they are very stop start besides all the foul baiting stuff they do. They go from 0 to 10 very quick and force the ref to make a call that may or may not be there. Jokic is slower, more telegraphed.
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Re: Why does Jokic get far fewer FTAs than Embiid and Giannis? 

Post#62 » by 76ersForLife » Fri Apr 22, 2022 5:18 am

It is tougher to guard Giannis and Embiid because they are more athletic than Jokic.

With Embiid smaller guys have no chance so they foul him. Bigger guys like Drummond, Lopez even a younger DeAndre Jordan would get owned by Embiid because he is way more athletic than those guys.

I've watched Embiids entire career and there has only been 2 players with the instinctive defensive skill set and physical attributes to guard him. That was Marc Gasol and Al Horford.
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Re: Why does Jokic get far fewer FTAs than Embiid and Giannis? 

Post#63 » by Mephariel » Fri Apr 22, 2022 6:54 am

Lockdown504090 wrote:
Cubbies2120 wrote:
ANTETOKOUNBROS wrote:Jokic has few flaws in his offensive game; one of them is using his size/strength to draw fouls. He is definitely a finesse guy with a great touch; not a guy who draws contact relentlessly. It is the flip side of his game.


Pay attention to Jokic's post ups tonight when he gets position with Draymond behind him - Draymond will do 1 of 3 things:
https://videorulebook.nba.com/archive/defensive-foul-in-the-post-defender-dislodges-opponent-body-bump-3/
https://videorulebook.nba.com/rule/post-defender-wraps-arms-around-opponent/
https://videorulebook.nba.com/rule/post-defender-uses-straight-arm/

None of those will be called, even though each one of them is illegal.

Unless homecourt advantage gets the refs to start calling that, I expect more frustration out of Jokic when the literal rulebook is being thrown out when it comes to guarding him.

jokic powers through the contact here on the initial bump that would be called a foul if he showed the official the contact affected him.

compare that to this
https://videorulebook.nba.com/archive/defensive-foul-in-the-post-defender-dislodges-opponent-body-bump-3/

i really and truly believe that for the sake of winning games and his safety he needs to embellish more. Like I look at his arms and shoulders and theyre covered with cuts and scrapes because they know when they hit jokic. its similar but not as bad as CJ mucollum how he just is trying to make space to get his shot off, so he never gets to the line. jokic is trying to get to a spot and get a shot off that hes very good at off with as much space as he can create.


I see good defense here.
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Re: Why does Jokic get far fewer FTAs than Embiid and Giannis? 

Post#64 » by Lockdown504090 » Fri Apr 22, 2022 11:55 am

Mephariel wrote:
Lockdown504090 wrote:
Cubbies2120 wrote:
Pay attention to Jokic's post ups tonight when he gets position with Draymond behind him - Draymond will do 1 of 3 things:
https://videorulebook.nba.com/archive/defensive-foul-in-the-post-defender-dislodges-opponent-body-bump-3/
https://videorulebook.nba.com/rule/post-defender-wraps-arms-around-opponent/
https://videorulebook.nba.com/rule/post-defender-uses-straight-arm/

None of those will be called, even though each one of them is illegal.

Unless homecourt advantage gets the refs to start calling that, I expect more frustration out of Jokic when the literal rulebook is being thrown out when it comes to guarding him.

jokic powers through the contact here on the initial bump that would be called a foul if he showed the official the contact affected him.

compare that to this
https://videorulebook.nba.com/archive/defensive-foul-in-the-post-defender-dislodges-opponent-body-bump-3/

i really and truly believe that for the sake of winning games and his safety he needs to embellish more. Like I look at his arms and shoulders and theyre covered with cuts and scrapes because they know when they hit jokic. its similar but not as bad as CJ mucollum how he just is trying to make space to get his shot off, so he never gets to the line. jokic is trying to get to a spot and get a shot off that hes very good at off with as much space as he can create.


I see good defense here.

The hand and forward chest motion draymond makes is illegal contact according to the rules, his lean into jok is an overreach of draymond a defensive cylinder, and enters jokic offensive cylinder. With enough force, that is an easy call
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Re: Why does Jokic get far fewer FTAs than Embiid and Giannis? 

Post#65 » by brutalitops » Fri Apr 22, 2022 11:58 am

Cant Hate on Embiid, If you can get 10 easy points and your eye in from the mid range by taking 10-12 points by yelling Hey and flopping, Do it.

Jokic creates a lot of contact and hes not the type of athlete Embiid/Giannis are (Who also create contact). I think Jokic needs to work out this summer with Vlade
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Re: Why does Jokic get far fewer FTAs than Embiid and Giannis? 

Post#66 » by Meeksology » Fri Apr 22, 2022 2:06 pm

Archx wrote:Maybe because Jokic is not fake like this circus clown?

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Re: Why does Jokic get far fewer FTAs than Embiid and Giannis? 

Post#67 » by ANTETOKOUNBROS » Mon Apr 25, 2022 12:40 am

Jokic is best empty stats guy in NBA history.
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Re: Why does Jokic get far fewer FTAs than Embiid and Giannis? 

Post#68 » by Zeno » Mon Apr 25, 2022 1:04 am

ANTETOKOUNBROS wrote:Jokic is best empty stats guy in NBA history.

Do you really intend to apply the same stupid labelling to Jokic that Giannis was receiving prior to winning a championship? Will fans ever learn?
When will we just change the name of 25 of the 30 teams to the Washington Generals?

Please advise….

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Re: Why does Jokic get far fewer FTAs than Embiid and Giannis? 

Post#69 » by ANTETOKOUNBROS » Mon Apr 25, 2022 1:05 am

Zeno wrote:
ANTETOKOUNBROS wrote:Jokic is best empty stats guy in NBA history.

Do you really intend to apply the same stupid labelling to Jokic that Giannis was receiving prior to winning a championship? Will fans ever learn?


Giannis has won it and 2 MVPs with DPOY. Does not work on him anymore. Jokic is still valid until he does the same.
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Re: Why does Jokic get far fewer FTAs than Embiid and Giannis? 

Post#70 » by Zeno » Mon Apr 25, 2022 1:08 am

ANTETOKOUNBROS wrote:
Zeno wrote:
ANTETOKOUNBROS wrote:Jokic is best empty stats guy in NBA history.

Do you really intend to apply the same stupid labelling to Jokic that Giannis was receiving prior to winning a championship? Will fans ever learn?


Giannis has won it and 2 MVPs with DPOY. Does not work on him anymore. Jokic is still valid until he does the same.

My point was that it wasn't valid for Giannis to labelled in this way before winning a championship. It is a tired cycle of building up and tearing down for storytelling purposes.
When will we just change the name of 25 of the 30 teams to the Washington Generals?

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Re: Why does Jokic get far fewer FTAs than Embiid and Giannis? 

Post#71 » by ANTETOKOUNBROS » Mon Apr 25, 2022 1:09 am

Zeno wrote:
ANTETOKOUNBROS wrote:
Zeno wrote:Do you really intend to apply the same stupid labelling to Jokic that Giannis was receiving prior to winning a championship? Will fans ever learn?


Giannis has won it and 2 MVPs with DPOY. Does not work on him anymore. Jokic is still valid until he does the same.

My point was that it wasn't valid for Giannis to labelled in this way before winning a championship. It is a tired cycle of building up and tearing down for storytelling purposes.


No it was definitely valid before he proved doubters wrong.

Malone is black Jokic.
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Re: Why does Jokic get far fewer FTAs than Embiid and Giannis? 

Post#72 » by maxwellcu » Mon Apr 25, 2022 1:34 am

Zeno wrote:
ANTETOKOUNBROS wrote:
Zeno wrote:Do you really intend to apply the same stupid labelling to Jokic that Giannis was receiving prior to winning a championship? Will fans ever learn?


Giannis has won it and 2 MVPs with DPOY. Does not work on him anymore. Jokic is still valid until he does the same.

My point was that it wasn't valid for Giannis to labelled in this way before winning a championship. It is a tired cycle of building up and tearing down for storytelling purposes.


Sad you have to spell it out...
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Re: Why does Jokic get far fewer FTAs than Embiid and Giannis? 

Post#73 » by AleksandarN » Mon Apr 25, 2022 2:15 am

ANTETOKOUNBROS wrote:
Zeno wrote:
ANTETOKOUNBROS wrote:
Giannis has won it and 2 MVPs with DPOY. Does not work on him anymore. Jokic is still valid until he does the same.

My point was that it wasn't valid for Giannis to labelled in this way before winning a championship. It is a tired cycle of building up and tearing down for storytelling purposes.


No it was definitely valid before he proved doubters wrong.

Malone is black Jokic.

Funny enough going through your posts before Giannis won the majority of posts you were blaming Giannis's teammates and front office. Now you troll Jokic which I find absolutely hilarious. Maybe you shouldn't troll so hard when you got history.
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Re: Why does Jokic get far fewer FTAs than Embiid and Giannis? 

Post#74 » by The Rebel » Mon Apr 25, 2022 3:05 am

It was kind of funny and sad at the same time when early in the 3rd quarter of game 3 Reggie Miller was talking about Jokic has to be more aggressive to get to the line more as he only had 1 free throw. He had to play more like game 1 and 2, then Miller just stopped and says something about how he didn't get calls in those games either.
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Re: Why does Jokic get far fewer FTAs than Embiid and Giannis? 

Post#75 » by mowcrowbar » Mon Apr 25, 2022 3:09 am

Whats more surprising is that Embiid gets way more calls than Giannis, who drives every position.
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Post#76 » by eathb_au » Mon Apr 25, 2022 6:58 am

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Re: Why does Jokic get far fewer FTAs than Embiid and Giannis? 

Post#77 » by Hobo4President » Mon Apr 25, 2022 7:00 am

ANTETOKOUNBROS wrote:Jokic is best empty stats guy in NBA history.


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