if curry wins 4th title +FMVP

[Jfh20]

Thats some real backwords logic. So its better to lose in the 1st/2nd/3rd round rather than the making it to the finals? lol sounds real smart.

Curry would only have 1 chip without KD, guy couldn't even get a single FMVP being in the finas 4 times so far.

no, its better to win. which he didnt.

And Curry couldn't even make the finals in 8 years out of his 13 year career, much worse than Lebron. What a fail.

much worse than lebron? hes literally about tie lebron in titles... in the lebron ERA. does no one understand that? dude ate lebrons lunch, in his face!!

[AmIWrongDude]

In other disciplines having the record is the most important. In other disciplines doing more in less time is considered better. The way people argue on this site will be baffling to many.

If there is a candidate between Curry and LeBron for top two it should be Curry.

Yet to 99.9% of people, Curry is nowhere near

You hang around places like this that have an entire forum dedicated to LeBron and people who watch BSPN and the like. People who are paid based on performance would be more split.

Not sure who you’re talking to that thinks Curry is a possible candidate for #2 all time. Nobody thinks that dude.

[payton2kemp]

no, its better to win. which he didnt.

And Curry couldn't even make the finals in 8 years out of his 13 year career, much worse than Lebron. What a fail.

much worse than lebron? hes literally about tie lebron in titles... in the lebron ERA. does no one understand that? dude ate lebrons lunch, in his face!!

But he couldn't get out of the 1st/2nd/3rd round as many times as Lebron so he's worse than Lebron. Again is it better to lose in the 1st round like curry has in the past or lose in the finals? Or better yet, not even make the playoffs?

[WarriorGM]

And Curry couldn't even make the finals in 8 years out of his 13 year career, much worse than Lebron. What a fail.

much worse than lebron? hes literally about tie lebron in titles... in the lebron ERA. does no one understand that? dude ate lebrons lunch, in his face!!

But he couldn't get out of the 1st/2nd/3rd round as many times as Lebron so he's worse than Lebron. Again is it better to lose in the 1st round like curry has in the past or lose in the finals? Or better yet, not even make the playoffs?

Winning in the West vs. in the East dude.

[MrBigShot]

I'm sorry but when it comes to raw ability to play basketball Steph just isn't in the same stratosphere as peak LeBron. Read that again. stratosphere. Anybody who knows a little bit about basketball is aware of that.

In 17-18 LeBron averaged 34ppg, 9rpg, 9ap on 62 TS%, 32 PER en route to the finals. Only 1 other player on the cavs averaged double digits, Kevin Love at 15ppg. The rest of his supporting cast was middling 6th man type role players. To this day it is still one of the most amazing individual playoff runs ever, about as close to a one man show as it gets. Game winners, 50 point performances, daggers, you name it.

Steph has never reached that level of play in the post season. As a matter of a fact, he's never had a playoff run on par with 08-09 LeBron individually, much less peak LeBron. Prime LeBron is also a vastly superior defender. Steph does 1 thing better than prime LeBron: shoot the ball. He's not a better scorer, or rebounder, or playmaker, or defender.

LeBron will retire as the consesnsus 2nd GOAT. Steph will be in the convo for top 15.

Raw ability to play basketball? You mean the ability to put the ball in the hoop? Steph laps LeBron there.

No, basketball is more than putting the ball in the hoop individually.

But as I've already explained, LeBron is the superior scorer. Come playoff time he scores much higher volume with comparable or only slightly less efficiency, and he's been able to do so on teams with worse supporting casts than what Steph has had. Even during the regular season at the ripe age of 37 LeBron scored 4 more ppg than Steph on higher efficiency.

I misspoke, Steph does two things better: shoot the ball and play off ball. But LeBron is better at virtually everything else.

[WarriorGM]

I'm sorry but when it comes to raw ability to play basketball Steph just isn't in the same stratosphere as peak LeBron. Read that again. stratosphere. Anybody who knows a little bit about basketball is aware of that.

In 17-18 LeBron averaged 34ppg, 9rpg, 9ap on 62 TS%, 32 PER en route to the finals. Only 1 other player on the cavs averaged double digits, Kevin Love at 15ppg. The rest of his supporting cast was middling 6th man type role players. To this day it is still one of the most amazing individual playoff runs ever, about as close to a one man show as it gets. Game winners, 50 point performances, daggers, you name it.

Steph has never reached that level of play in the post season. As a matter of a fact, he's never had a playoff run on par with 08-09 LeBron individually, much less peak LeBron. Prime LeBron is also a vastly superior defender. Steph does 1 thing better than prime LeBron: shoot the ball. He's not a better scorer, or rebounder, or playmaker, or defender.

LeBron will retire as the consesnsus 2nd GOAT. Steph will be in the convo for top 15.

Raw ability to play basketball? You mean the ability to put the ball in the hoop? Steph laps LeBron there.

No, basketball is more than putting the ball in the hoop inidividually.

But as I've already explained, LeBron is the superior scorer. Come playoff time he scores much higher volume with comparable or only slightly less efficiency, and he's been able to do so on teams with worse supporting casts than what Steph has had.

Curry is the more efficient scorer and as much as people love giving credit to passing to teammates as the shot clock is about to expire when it comes to team skills related to activating teammates Curry is better too.

[michaelm]

I'm sorry but when it comes to raw ability to play basketball Steph just isn't in the same stratosphere as peak LeBron. Read that again. stratosphere. Anybody who knows a little bit about basketball is aware of that.

In 17-18 LeBron averaged 34ppg, 9rpg, 9ap on 62 TS%, 32 PER en route to the finals. Only 1 other player on the cavs averaged double digits, Kevin Love at 15ppg. The rest of his supporting cast was middling 6th man type role players. To this day it is still one of the most amazing individual playoff runs ever, about as close to a one man show as it gets. Game winners, 50 point performances, daggers, you name it.

Steph has never reached that level of play in the post season. As a matter of a fact, he's never had a playoff run on par with 08-09 LeBron individually, much less peak LeBron. Prime LeBron is also a vastly superior defender. Steph does 1 thing better than prime LeBron: shoot the ball. He's not a better scorer, or rebounder, or playmaker, or defender.

LeBron will retire as the consesnsus 2nd GOAT. Steph will be in the convo for top 15.

Raw ability to play basketball? You mean the ability to put the ball in the hoop? Steph laps LeBron there.

No, basketball is more than putting the ball in the hoop individually.

But as I've already explained, LeBron is the superior scorer. Come playoff time he scores much higher volume with comparable or only slightly less efficiency, and he's been able to do so on teams with worse supporting casts than what Steph has had. Even during the regular season at the ripe age of 37 LeBron scored 4 more ppg than Steph on higher efficiency.

I misspoke, Steph does two things better: shoot the ball and play off ball. But LeBron is better at virtually everything else.

You don't think Curry having better supporting casts has anything to do with Curry ?.

[Ugalde]

curry is just a better player than lebron. yes lebron can dominate the stat sheet better. yes lebron seems more influential because he dominates the ball so much.

the difference is curry is more influential by a wide margin when it comes to off the ball play. this is why curry’s teams are so good. his off ball play allows everyone around him to be great.

[BoatsNZones]

curry is just a better player than lebron. yes lebron can dominate the stat sheet better. yes lebron seems more influential because he dominates the ball so much.

the difference is curry is more influential by a wide margin when it comes to off the ball play. this is why curry’s teams are so good. his off ball play allows everyone around him to be great.

He is better than Luka for these reasons and more (despite talking heads as well as the casuals of RGM's opinion), but prime Lebron is a whole other matter. Defense matters, and Curry can not physically match up there.

[NZB2323]

You can keep repeating this as much as you want but to people who haven't drunk the cool-aid it will look bizarre to arrive at such a conclusion.

What’s bizarre about having a 2x MVP, 1x Finals MVP, 4x champion, and the greatest shooter of all time as top 12?

Or are you saying it’s bizarre to have Lebron as top 2? Because Lebron’s legacy speaks for himself, and a lot of people have him as the GOAT.

In other disciplines having the record is the most important. In other disciplines doing more in less time is considered better. The way people argue on this site will be baffling to many.

If there is a candidate between Curry and LeBron for top two it should be Curry.

Lebron has 4 MVPs, 4 Finals MVPs, and has made the All-NBA 1st team 13 times.

Curry has 2 MVPs, might get his 1st Finals MVP this year, and has made the All-NBA 1st team 4 times.

[nikster]

ya sorry i just cant back that kinda mentality, oh but he made the finals so he gets a participation trophy.. sorry, either you win or you dont. theres no in between. lebron has 4 titles, to jordans 6, thats what history will remember.

Thats some real backwords logic. So its better to lose in the 1st/2nd/3rd round rather than the making it to the finals? lol sounds real smart.

Curry would only have 1 chip without KD, guy couldn't even get a single FMVP being in the finas 4 times so far.

no, its better to win. which he didnt.

Childishly simplistic, and can't even an answer an either or question

[Ugalde]

curry is just a better player than lebron. yes lebron can dominate the stat sheet better. yes lebron seems more influential because he dominates the ball so much.

the difference is curry is more influential by a wide margin when it comes to off the ball play. this is why curry’s teams are so good. his off ball play allows everyone around him to be great.

He is better than Luka for these reasons and more (despite talking heads as well as the casuals of RGM's opinion), but prime Lebron is a whole other matter. Defense matters, and Curry can not physically match up there.

yes i love luka i was just arguing for him in another thread. i’m always weary though because he reminds me of bron and although they’re both great they’re just soooo ball dominant.

you’re correct. about bron vs curry though i totally ignored defense. lebrons defense definitely puts him over curry.

offensively though curry is the much better player. a much better player to build a system around.

[Bolts]

The question for me is what would Wiggins have had to do more in the last series to win the award? Of course they lose without Curry. But I also think they lose without Wiggins. Maybe.

So same standards for finals? What would Wiggins actually have to do if Curry plays to his average? Or because of history, popularity, etc etc is it not really possible?

[C3H6N6O6]

Heat fans are still mad that LeBron made Pat Riley look like a fool in 2014.

[GreatWhiteStiff]

Because Curry is so good that he was blocked from MVP consideration simply because he made a team he was on so good it was deemed unfair and they've been trying to avoid acknowledging him as the best player in the league ever since leading to such dubious choices as Westbrook in 2017 and a back-to-back Jokic.

And Lebron didn't have any voter fatigue causing him to miss MVPs he should have won?

Remember when Lebron missed out unanimous MVP because some **** in New York said he had to root for the home town guy and put Melo 1, Lebron 2?

Knicks fans living rent free in your head for quite some time Sof! Normally I despise "rent free", but I'll use it here.

[BoatsNZones]

The question for me is what would Wiggins have had to do more in the last series to win the award? Of course they lose without Curry. But I also think they lose without Wiggins. Maybe.

So same standards for finals? What would Wiggins actually have to do if Curry plays to his average? Or because of history, popularity, etc etc is it not really possible?

Demand > 1/5th the defensive attention of Curry while drastically upping his playmaking ability and shooting >28.6% from 3 on >20+ ppg would be a start, I suppose.

[PizzaSteve]

My 2 cents on the Iguadala FMVP was that the warriors wanted it to go to Iguadala to get him a better shot at HOF status, as his career included a lot of underappreciated excellence at Denver and his move to GS cemented their reputation as a place to be, after Lee opened the door to free agents coming here. Curry had his MVPs, including the unanimous one and he selfless attitude implied to the league it was ok with him.

[jokeboy86]

he will surpass lebron in both legacy and brand, imo. Curry has dominated the modern era of basketball with one team, didnt hop around from team to team like a chicken and was the reason golden state became a juggernaut...2x uninaminous mvp and broke rays record. If it was lebron on golden state when they struggled for 2 years, lebron would have "took his talents elsewhere ect.." by now... only knock left on curry is that he doesnt have an FMVP yet... he has a magic johnson MVP wcf award but he needs the finals FMVP too...

Oooh I want to hijack your thread so bad but I'll spare you cause you have junior status

[WarriorGM]

What’s bizarre about having a 2x MVP, 1x Finals MVP, 4x champion, and the greatest shooter of all time as top 12?

Or are you saying it’s bizarre to have Lebron as top 2? Because Lebron’s legacy speaks for himself, and a lot of people have him as the GOAT.

In other disciplines having the record is the most important. In other disciplines doing more in less time is considered better. The way people argue on this site will be baffling to many.

If there is a candidate between Curry and LeBron for top two it should be Curry.

Lebron has 4 MVPs, 4 Finals MVPs, and has made the All-NBA 1st team 13 times.

Curry has 2 MVPs, might get his 1st Finals MVP this year, and has made the All-NBA 1st team 4 times.

If you look to the media to tell you who the best player is then LeBron is your answer. I look at results. From the quality of results Curry is better.

[nikster]

much worse than lebron? hes literally about tie lebron in titles... in the lebron ERA. does no one understand that? dude ate lebrons lunch, in his face!!

But he couldn't get out of the 1st/2nd/3rd round as many times as Lebron so he's worse than Lebron. Again is it better to lose in the 1st round like curry has in the past or lose in the finals? Or better yet, not even make the playoffs?

Winning in the West vs. in the East dude.

Please, Curry has had not had particularly difficult playoff runs. 2015 and 2016 OKC was the only elite team they faced in the Western playoffs. In the Durant era it was just the Rockets. You think this years title run is much harder than Lebrons?

This East VS West argument is such a stupid way to prop up Curry