Jimmy Butler all time ranking?

[AussieCeltic]

i rank all time players based on the odds they give me to win a championship.

I don't care about career totals as much as I care about peak production and whether that production led to legitimate chances to win rings. There's plenty of players with career totals that they racked up with no chance of a winning a championship like Carmelo. There's players with career totals that don't even come close to being some all time great number like Kawhi who has multiple championships.

So yeah, I rate a player like Jimmy Butler who, has had the Heat in the championship hunt as the only multi All NBA player on his team, (Kyle Lowry was All NBA in 2016) highly.

Jimmy has proven he can lead a team as the guy with a bunch of undrafted players, cast-offs, and a couple of young guys.

So.. where was he last year. In his prime? Getting swept while averaging 14ppg and negative in every advanced stat available.

Not saying he's right, but you're opening up a can of worms here. Pierce missed the playoffs 3 times in a weak Eastern Conference during his prime from 2000-2007.

His best teammate in those years he missed was Raef LaFrentz. He was also injured most of the 07 season.

He’s just not in the same category as Pierce right now. His story hasn’t finished so he can get there, but as it stands in the all time rankings, he’s well below finals MVP - Paul Pierce.

[a8bil]

Where's Klay Thompson? One position below.

Interesting comment actually given the discussion of Klay being snubbed for top 75 and the fact that Jimmy is a clearly better individual talent.

Rankings are tough.

Mine was a bit of a joke...earlier in their careers, there were contentious debates about who was the better player. Butler has the more rounded game. Klay still the better shooter.

[MrBigShot]

He’s the 3rd best player in Heat history. All time he’s in the Kobe Magic Bird tier tbh.

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[MrBigShot]

He’s the 3rd best player in Heat history. All time he’s in the Kobe Magic Bird tier tbh.

Lol. Not even close.

SMH, some people.

None of those guys ever had multiple 40+ point 4+ steal games in the same series. His game last night was better than anything we’ve ever seen from Kobe

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I stuck to playoff performances only, as Jimmy hasn't outscored an entire team by himself through 3 quarters, dropped 81 in a game, or scores 50+ four straight games (only two 60+)

As far as the topic goes, Jimmy doesn't carry you during the regular season, but come playoff team his raw individual talent is pretty incredible. I'd take him over any of Ray Allen, Pierce, Melo, Pippen ect... to name a few in their prime. Pippen will raise some eyebrows but just take one look at Jimmy's playoff stats this year, or his finals performance in 2020.

[JN61]

Outside of top 100

[JN61]

When you look at all time players, you have to take into account their whole career. The question isn’t about peaks.

Being a great player for 10-12 years > being one for 6 years.

i rank all time players based on the odds they give me to win a championship.

I don't care about career totals as much as I care about peak production and whether that production led to legitimate chances to win rings. There's plenty of players with career totals that they racked up with no chance of a winning a championship like Carmelo. There's players with career totals that don't even come close to being some all time great number like Kawhi who has multiple championships.

So yeah, I rate a player like Jimmy Butler who, has had the Heat in the championship hunt as the only multi All NBA player on his team, (Kyle Lowry was All NBA in 2016) highly.

Jimmy has proven he can lead a team as the guy with a bunch of undrafted players, cast-offs, and a couple of young guys.

In that case Allen/Pierce>>>Butler.

[SelfishPlayer]

Jimmy is in that Ray Allen, Paul Pierce tier of player.

A top 15 player in the league. A top 100 player all time.

I agree but Jimmy has been more of a front man than them, so within that tier, he is above them for sure if he gets a championship.

[threethehardway]

In that case Allen/Pierce>>>Butler.

Peak Ray Allen and Paul Pierce were no where close to winning a ring.

[rate_]

Jimmy beat Giannis/Middleton, Tatum/Brown, Embiid/Harden and went toe to toe with LeBron/AD in the Finals without a superteam. I can't imagine even a prime Pierce or Allen doing something similar.

[Snowwy]

Just a guy

[jaybiddyforeal]

Not as high as Kyle Lowry

[Yuri Vaultin]

He’s the 3rd best player in Heat history. All time he’s in the Kobe Magic Bird tier tbh.

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[Hitman88]

Had he surpassed Mourning already?

[arh1109]

If not for Kawhi's buzzer beater, it would be way higher. He should've been First Team for sure

[duppyy]

This thread won’t age well if they lose.

[Tim Kempton]

So.. where was he last year. In his prime? Getting swept while averaging 14ppg and negative in every advanced stat available.

Not saying he's right, but you're opening up a can of worms here. Pierce missed the playoffs 3 times in a weak Eastern Conference during his prime from 2000-2007.

His best teammate in those years he missed was Raef LaFrentz. He was also injured most of the 07 season.

He’s just not in the same category as Pierce right now. His story hasn’t finished so he can get there, but as it stands in the all time rankings, he’s well below finals MVP - Paul Pierce.

Completely agreed. Just saying that pointing out Jimmy's crap play in the first round last year opens up criticism of Pierce, who missed the playoffs a decent amount in his prime in a weak conference. You're right in terms of his supporting cast, though. LaFrentz, Delonte, Wally, Ricky Davis, etc. aren't the first guys one thinks about when it comes to winning.

[Jazz9]

You have to have multiple great RS + PO before I care about someone's all time ranking.
Jimmy just isn't there

[TasteThePainbow]

I can only tell you his all time ranking will improve considerably if he wins the chip this year.

And it really shouldn't. Win or lose he's the same player.

[BenoUdrihFTL]

When you look at all time players, you have to take into account their whole career. The question isn’t about peaks.

Being a great player for 10-12 years > being one for 6 years.

i rank all time players based on the odds they give me to win a championship.

I don't care about career totals as much as I care about peak production and whether that production led to legitimate chances to win rings. There's plenty of players with career totals that they racked up with no chance of a winning a championship like Carmelo. There's players with career totals that don't even come close to being some all time great number like Kawhi who has multiple championships.

So yeah, I rate a player like Jimmy Butler who, has had the Heat in the championship hunt as the only multi All NBA player on his team, (Kyle Lowry was All NBA in 2016) highly.

Jimmy has proven he can lead a team as the guy with a bunch of undrafted players, cast-offs, and a couple of young guys.

So.. where was he last year. In his prime? Getting swept while averaging 14ppg and negative in every advanced stat available.

How people don't realize by now that Butler was playing through significant injury last postseason is beyond me. He had an outlier playoff performance after missing the last 2 games of the RS, one of them being an absolutely crucial seeding game that Miami lost without him. It was the difference between Miami hosting the Knicks in the 1st round versus going on the road against Milwaukee, and Butler still couldn't suit up. Then he forces himself back for the playoffs and is clearly not himself. This is sandwiched in between two playoff runs where he looks like a top 5 player in the league

I mean try to connect the dots here people

[JujitsuFlip]

Probably top 150 to 200 of all time. He’s probably on a similar tier to Paul Pierce.

You're saying 2 contradictory things here.

Paul was on the NBA 75 list, ESPN ranked him at 62.

I agree Jimmy is probably in the 150 range but the two can't be on the same tier if one is 62 and the other is 162.