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Re: Took away the three and first team foul at 4 minute mark of 4th for Boston... 

Post#61 » by Pharmcat » Mon May 30, 2022 5:38 pm

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picc wrote:He was out of bounds. Would you like non-counting points to count?


Was he though? Not so sure, to wipe points off the board like 5 minutes of gametime later when you can't tell for sure is pretty bad.


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Re: Took away the three and first team foul at 4 minute mark of 4th for Boston... 

Post#62 » by Statlanta » Mon May 30, 2022 6:21 pm

I know that side step is allowed(Kyrie/Harden grandfathered it in) but I would have called travel even before the ambiguous out of bounds call.
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Re: Took away the three and first team foul at 4 minute mark of 4th for Boston... 

Post#63 » by wade44 » Mon May 30, 2022 6:24 pm

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Patches Perry wrote:Officiating sucked for both teams but I've never seen points retroactively wiped off the board several minutes later on an out of bounds call. I thought they just reviewed 2 or 3. Weird for it to show up in a game 7.


This! That was ridiculous and I've never seen that before either, only a 3 changed to a 2, but out of bounds minutes later? Get out of here...


Think of how the course of history in the league is changed if they were to review every not-so-obvious details like this in the past. Also don’t think you can definitively say his heel was on the line when he had the ball in his hands it was definitely a raw deal for Miami
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Re: Took away the three and first team foul at 4 minute mark of 4th for Boston... 

Post#64 » by Miami_Lux » Mon May 30, 2022 6:38 pm

It s definitely one of the strangest calls I ve seen in a while and obviously hurt the Heat big time in the end. It s a little annoying to hear all the Celtic fans say that it was the right call when there was absolutely no evidence that Strus touched the line. Would it hurt any of the posters here to admit that they caught a break just for once?

Anyways in the end it s a moot point. It happened and there is nothing to do about it.
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Re: Took away the three and first team foul at 4 minute mark of 4th for Boston... 

Post#65 » by Jkam31 » Mon May 30, 2022 6:38 pm

picc wrote:He was out of bounds. Would you like non-counting points to count?


Yes

What kind of bull **** is that is you missed the call you missed it
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Re: Took away the three and first team foul at 4 minute mark of 4th for Boston... 

Post#66 » by BK_2020 » Mon May 30, 2022 6:40 pm

It's clear that Strus just hovers a couple inches over the floor at all times like Jesus Christ and never actually steps foot on ground. The Heat should demand a review of that play.
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Re: Took away the three and first team foul at 4 minute mark of 4th for Boston... 

Post#67 » by Miami_Lux » Mon May 30, 2022 6:41 pm

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picc wrote:He was out of bounds. Would you like non-counting points to count?


Yes

What kind of bull **** is that is you missed the call you missed it


Also he wasn't out of bounds. So I would like counting points to count.
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Re: Took away the three and first team foul at 4 minute mark of 4th for Boston... 

Post#68 » by Jkam31 » Mon May 30, 2022 6:43 pm

MorbidHEAT wrote:We lost the game for other reasons, but that 3 taken away killed the momentum we had at that point.

I've never ever seen that happen. Obviously a foot on the line to see if its a 2 or 3 is reviewed. However, to retroactively remove points 10 minutes later because a player may have stepped out of bounds is crazy to me.

I don't know how you police that. Are you checking every play? Are they retroactively going to give somebody a foul for a call that a referee missed? I dont get it.

Nothing to do with it being my team, I would say this for any team.


Exactly so you go back 5 minutes and be like ya we missed that foul now give that player the foul wtf
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Re: Took away the three and first team foul at 4 minute mark of 4th for Boston... 

Post#69 » by Miami_Lux » Mon May 30, 2022 6:44 pm

BK_2020 wrote:It's clear that Strus just hovers a couple inches over the floor at all times like Jesus Christ and never actually steps foot on ground. The Heat should demand a review of that play.


If they did this to a Celtics player you would have been outraged and called the NBA rigged etc. So this is really just posturing from you at this point.
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Post#70 » by NyKnicks1714 » Mon May 30, 2022 6:53 pm

I don't know how anyone can look at that and say he conclusively stepped on the sideline. If I had to pick one or the other, I'd say he didn't, but even if you think otherwise, it's nowhere near conclusive enough to overturn.
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Re: Took away the three and first team foul at 4 minute mark of 4th for Boston... 

Post#71 » by meekrab » Mon May 30, 2022 6:57 pm

People acting like the replay office only looked at the angle that was broadcast on tv? :lol: There's like 30 cameras on the floor and the replay booth gets to see all of them...
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Re: Took away the three and first team foul at 4 minute mark of 4th for Boston... 

Post#72 » by Kordic27 » Mon May 30, 2022 7:02 pm

RB34 wrote:
Rancid669 wrote:Wish they would have reviewed all the points Boston got on possessions where they traveled.


Strus travelled on this play.


This - saw the play in real time and I was like, damn, I guess I really have no idea what a travel is anymore.
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Re: Took away the three and first team foul at 4 minute mark of 4th for Boston... 

Post#73 » by Backcountry » Mon May 30, 2022 7:06 pm

If the refs miss a 3-pointer that should have been a 2 or vice-versa, then that needs to be corrected. But to remove points because the refs missed a call that should have stopped play is just a bad rule. Like others have said: what about "ball-in-the-cylinder" plays? Do they retroactively review these, too? Out-of-bounds?

Once the ball goes back into play that should be it, otherwise you should erase all points scored after the missed infraction and reset the game clock. Since Boston went on a 9-1 run immediately after Strus's shot, they would have had that removed and the score set back to 56-51. Otherwise leave it alone, and blame the officials.
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Post#74 » by drewchad » Mon May 30, 2022 7:11 pm

This same thing happened in a earlier game in the series too.
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Re: Took away the three and first team foul at 4 minute mark of 4th for Boston... 

Post#75 » by picc » Mon May 30, 2022 7:14 pm

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picc wrote:He was out of bounds. Would you like non-counting points to count?


Yes

What kind of bull **** is that is you missed the call you missed it


Great. It didnt count, and now they’re home. So, now what?
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Re: Took away the three and first team foul at 4 minute mark of 4th for Boston... 

Post#76 » by axeman23 » Mon May 30, 2022 7:15 pm

BK_2020 wrote:
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BK_2020 wrote:I wouldn't watch any games either if I was an OKC fan.


Seems like a frontrunner thing to say lol.

Either way, some of you are getting really defensive. I already said multiple times in the game threads:
1. Celtics were the better team
2. Both teams got bad calls

Go drink or some ****, it's a holiday weekend and your team just made the finals. Coming up on here and taking offense to harmless comments is a waste of time.

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Re: Took away the three and first team foul at 4 minute mark of 4th for Boston... 

Post#77 » by og15 » Mon May 30, 2022 7:40 pm

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Patches Perry wrote:Officiating sucked for both teams but I've never seen points retroactively wiped off the board several minutes later on an out of bounds call. I thought they just reviewed 2 or 3. Weird for it to show up in a game 7.


This! That was ridiculous and I've never seen that before either, only a 3 changed to a 2, but out of bounds minutes later? Get out of here...


Just because you guys don’t know the rules, doesn’t mean it’s wrong. He was out of bounds on the shot. If he was out of bounds a few steps before it wouldn’t be reviewable. As it’s on the shot, it’s reviewable and the right call.

You guys are more mad about them making the right call, than not. It’s like you’d rather the 3 count when he was clearly out of bounds. Insane

We generally don't see made shots changed based on whether the shooter was inbounds or not, so I see no reason to be mad at people for not knowing.

What triggers the auto replay is cited below, whether it is 2 or 3, but it also clarifies that when they review those, they also review other things cited below also. So it certainly states that when they are reviewing for 2/3 they can (should?) also review out of bounds.

Statlanta wrote:I know that side step is allowed(Kyrie/Harden grandfathered it in) but I would have called travel even before the ambiguous out of bounds call.

They can't review for a travel in the auto review though (see below)


Backcountry wrote:If the refs miss a 3-pointer that should have been a 2 or vice-versa, then that needs to be corrected. But to remove points because the refs missed a call that should have stopped play is just a bad rule. Like others have said: what about "ball-in-the-cylinder" plays? Do they retroactively review these, too? Out-of-bounds?

Once the ball goes back into play that should be it, otherwise you should erase all points scored after the missed infraction and reset the game clock. Since Boston went on a 9-1 run immediately after Strus's shot, they would have had that removed and the score set back to 56-51. Otherwise leave it alone, and blame the officials.

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What triggers auto review
Instant replay will be immediately triggered by the Replay Center Official in the following situations:
The Replay Center Official is not reasonably certain whether
(i) a successful field goal was scored correctly as a 2-point or 3-point field goal during the first 46 minutes of regulation or first three minutes of any overtime period, or
(ii) in the case of a called shooting foul at any time during a game, the Replay Center Official is not reasonably certain whether the player was attempting a 2-point or 3-point field goal.
NOTE: If the Replay Center Official did not trigger instant replay in accordance with Section I-b(1) above, the on-court game officials retain the right to independently trigger instant replay (See Section I-a(6)) within the time constraints set forth in Section II-f(1) below


Section 1-a (6)
Officials are not reasonably certain at any time during a game whether (i) a successful field goal was scored correctly as a 2-point or 3-point field goal, or (ii) in the case of a called shooting foul, whether the player was attempting a 2-point or 3-point field goal; provided that the Replay Center Official did not trigger instant replay to review these matters as permitted by Section I-b(1)


Time to review
the review must take place at the next timeout or period break following the basket in question. If the next break is halftime, the review must take place prior to the officials leaving the court. Following the 2nd mandatory timeout in the 4th period and any overtime period, the review must take place at the next clock stoppage, including immediately upon a successful basket when the clock stops in the last two minutes. If a successful 2-point/3-point field goal is not reviewed in accordance with the foregoing timing rules, the play can no longer be reviewed once the ball is inbound and touched on the court, a personal foul is assessed or violation is whistled.


What else is checked:
If an instant replay review is triggered as described in Section I-a(6) above, the Replay Center Official and on-court official(s) would review the video to determine the following issues:

Whether the successful field goal was scored correctly as a 2-point or 3-point field Prior to the 2nd mandatory timeout in the 4th period, the review must take place at the next timeout or period break following the basket in question. If the next break is halftime, the review must take place prior to the officials leaving the court. Following the 2nd mandatory timeout in the 4th period and any overtime period, the review must take place at the next clock stoppage, including immediately upon a successful basket when the clock stops in the last two minutes. If a successful 2-point/3-point field goal is not reviewed in accordance with the foregoing timing rules, the play can no longer be reviewed once the ball is inbound and touched on the court, a personal foul is assessed or violation is whistled.

Whether the shooter fouled was attempting a 2-point or 3-point field goal. During the entire game, the review must take place prior to the shooter releasing the first free throw attempt.

If the shot was timely, whether the shooter committed a boundary line violation or the ball touched out-of-bounds prior to entering the basket or, in the case of a foul, whether the player fouled committed a boundary line violation. For purposes of this review, the Replay Center Official would look only at the position of the player’s feet at the moment they last touched the floor immediately prior to (or, if applicable, during) the release of the shot or the foul (as applicable).

Whether the shot clock expired before the ball left the shooter’s hand or the foul occurred.

Whether any unsportsmanlike acts or unnecessary contact occurred.
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Re: Took away the three and first team foul at 4 minute mark of 4th for Boston... 

Post#78 » by og15 » Mon May 30, 2022 7:44 pm

So just to add, review can even be mean to you as the offensive player if you get fouled, because a foul could get called, they are going to look at if it is a 2 or 3, and then they can see that you had a boundary line violation and a turnover gets called instead :lol:. At that point you'll be like "just give me a 2 and don't review".
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Re: Took away the three and first team foul at 4 minute mark of 4th for Boston... 

Post#79 » by Almond2Oak » Mon May 30, 2022 7:44 pm

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picc wrote:He was out of bounds. Would you like non-counting points to count?


Was he though? Not so sure, to wipe points off the board like 5 minutes of gametime later when you can't tell for sure is pretty bad.


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Yes, he’s clearly out of bounds his heel hit the line. No shot. No points. End of discussion.
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Re: Took away the three and first team foul at 4 minute mark of 4th for Boston... 

Post#80 » by og15 » Mon May 30, 2022 7:46 pm

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SerialChiller wrote:
picc wrote:He was out of bounds. Would you like non-counting points to count?


Was he though? Not so sure, to wipe points off the board like 5 minutes of gametime later when you can't tell for sure is pretty bad.


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Yes, he’s clearly out of bounds his heel hit the line. No shot. No points. End of discussion.

They probably had another angle and slowed it down further, but pausing at 6 seconds certainly could give the argument that he was out of bounds even just from this angle. Tough call obviously if you're the Heat, because like I said, as a team you'd rather a two be called incorrectly than no points, but such is life.

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