Becky Hammon Has The Aces at WNBA-Best 13-3 — How Long Until She Leads NBA Team?

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Re: Becky Hammon Has The Aces at WNBA-Best 13-3 — How Long Until She Leads NBA Team? 

Post#61 » by xdrta+ » Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:21 pm

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tonyreyes123 wrote:What’s so special about her that she deserves a NBA gig but ACTUAL NBA players that have been assistant coaches for 5-10 years can’t get one?

agree. i think she should have stayed on a couple years longer and she would have found a role. That societal pressure must have been annoying for her every time a spot opened because I think she just wants to coach high level basketball and that "first woman" stuff seemed somewhat secondary to her.


More like she realized it was never going to go past the talking stage in the NBA boys club, at least in her lifetime, so she might as well move on to a real coaching job.
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tonyreyes123 wrote:What’s so special about her that she deserves a NBA gig but ACTUAL NBA players that have been assistant coaches for 5-10 years can’t get one?

agree. i think she should have stayed on a couple years longer and she would have found a role. That societal pressure must have been annoying for her every time a spot opened because I think she just wants to coach high level basketball and that "first woman" stuff seemed somewhat secondary to her.


More like she realized it was never going to go past the talking stage in the NBA boys club, at least in her lifetime, so she might as well move on to a real coaching job.

do you have any idea what an nba assistant does? its actually a real coaching job that men all over the world would kill for.
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Lockdown504090 wrote:agree. i think she should have stayed on a couple years longer and she would have found a role. That societal pressure must have been annoying for her every time a spot opened because I think she just wants to coach high level basketball and that "first woman" stuff seemed somewhat secondary to her.


More like she realized it was never going to go past the talking stage in the NBA boys club, at least in her lifetime, so she might as well move on to a real coaching job.

do you have any idea what an nba assistant does? its actually a real coaching job that men all over the world would kill for.


Assistant coaches do different things on different teams. Do you have any idea of the difference between an assistant coach and a head coaching job? Perhaps after 8 years she had seen enough of assistant coaching and realized that was the end of the line for her in the NBA.
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Post#64 » by Jonny Blaze » Fri Jun 24, 2022 11:34 pm

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Kent wrote:Frankly I'm shocked to read how many posters think it's a bad idea for her to lead an NBA team.

More and more women are being hired in front office positions across every sport. There's no reason women can't succeed in the coaching ranks.

Basketball is basketball.



Lets cut out the Politically Correct BS.....do you really think an extreme alpha male who through sheer hard work and dedication has made himself into being one of the 500 best basketball players in the World is going to have the same level of fear or respect for a woman than he would over Greg Popovich, Pat Riley or Jason Kidd?


Why is this hypothetical alpha male respect Nick Nurse (never played in the NBA), Eric Spolestra (never played in the NBA) or Derek Fisher (career role player, rolled out of bed and got handed a head coaching job)?


That is a pretty horrible strawman. All of those guys have penises.....Becky Hammon does not.

Im sorry to not be Politically Correct but I do not see a grown man respecting a woman coach as much as he would another man.
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Post#65 » by MagicFan12345 » Fri Jun 24, 2022 11:35 pm

I do not think Hammon will ever get a head coaching job in the NBA so coaching in the WNBA is best for her as you can see that she is doing a great job with the Aces
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Post#66 » by xdrta+ » Fri Jun 24, 2022 11:38 pm

Jonny Blaze wrote:Im sorry to not be Politically Correct but I do not see a grown man respecting a woman coach as much as he would another man.


How about a not-so-grown man?
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Post#67 » by Jonny Blaze » Fri Jun 24, 2022 11:40 pm

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Kent wrote:Frankly I'm shocked to read how many posters think it's a bad idea for her to lead an NBA team.

More and more women are being hired in front office positions across every sport. There's no reason women can't succeed in the coaching ranks.

Basketball is basketball.



Lets cut out the Politically Correct BS.....do you really think an extreme alpha male who through sheer hard work and dedication has made himself into being one of the 500 best basketball players in the World is going to have the same level of fear or respect for a woman than he would over Greg Popovich, Pat Riley or Jason Kidd?

If the answer is no.....then that team is putting themselves at a disadvantage to teams that will hire a great male coach
Are free agents going to flock to a team that is being coached by a woman as some sort of feminist experiment?

No one has answered my question as to why so many people are pushing for a woman to coach in the NBA, and not in MLB or football.



People are pushing for a women to coach in the NFL and MLB but you're probably not aware of it because you've already convinced yourself that "alpha males" won't ever listen to a woman. There are actually quite a number of offensive and defensive line coaches in the NFL that have been mentioned potential head coaches in the near future. Just take a look of the following articles and you'll find a number of female coaches in the NFL who have been listed as potential head coaches:

https://onherturf.nbcsports.com/2021/09/09/2021-nfl-season-record-12-women-coaches/

https://apnews.com/article/tampa-bay-buccaneers-nfl-entertainment-sports-business-41ac77339383073ac3796b6bd8032ab3

https://www.forbes.com/sites/emilyiannaconi/2021/09/08/the-nfls-record-12-women-coaches-in-2021-is-both-overdue-and-just-in-time/?sh=3d5912463faf

These conservations are happening whether or not you choose to pay attention to it.


Honest question: Why do you think its so important for a woman to be a head coach in a mans league?

Why can't Hammon coach women in the WNBA, or College level?
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Post#68 » by SOUL » Fri Jun 24, 2022 11:42 pm

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Kent wrote:Frankly I'm shocked to read how many posters think it's a bad idea for her to lead an NBA team.

More and more women are being hired in front office positions across every sport. There's no reason women can't succeed in the coaching ranks.

Basketball is basketball.



Lets cut out the Politically Correct BS.....do you really think an extreme alpha male who through sheer hard work and dedication has made himself into being one of the 500 best basketball players in the World is going to have the same level of fear or respect for a woman than he would over Greg Popovich, Pat Riley or Jason Kidd?

If the answer is no.....then that team is putting themselves at a disadvantage to teams that will hire a great male coach
Are free agents going to flock to a team that is being coached by a woman as some sort of feminist experiment?

No one has answered my question as to why so many people are pushing for a woman to coach in the NBA, and not in MLB or football.


Most athletes nowadays don't have an old world attitude of "women belong in the kitchen, not in sports".

You clearly see guys like LeBron, Chris Paul, etc, advocating and pushing the WNBA and positions for women who are qualified.

If Hammon is qualified (and she has put the work in) .. she should be looked at as a legit candidate if she is interested in jobs. I know this bothers some people who go "What about the other assistants who deserve it? Why does Becky get the attention?" .. well, obviously it IS important and newsworthy to be the first in anything because it shows it is possible for anyone if they put the work in.

She herself said she doesn't want to get it just because she's female. I don't think most people here are arguing she should just be given it because of that.
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Post#69 » by Jonny Blaze » Fri Jun 24, 2022 11:43 pm

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Jonny Blaze wrote:Im sorry to not be Politically Correct but I do not see a grown man respecting a woman coach as much as he would another man.


How about a not-so-grown man?


https://franchisesports.co.uk/nba-draft-eligibility-explained/

How old do you have to be to play in the NBA?
The simple answer to the minimum age requirement to play in the NBA is 19 years old.


That age will usually satisfy the rule that they must be one season removed from high school. There are some players though, who have taken unorthodox routes to the NBA, that didn’t involve four years of high school.


I understand that you think you are being slick and funny, but the minimum age requirement to join the NBA is 19.

The NBA does not employ not so grown men.
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Post#70 » by xAIRNESSx » Fri Jun 24, 2022 11:47 pm

First time head coaches usually get hired by bad teams.

Maybe she didn't want to coach a bad team and have perpetual losing seasons.
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Post#71 » by MrBigShot » Fri Jun 24, 2022 11:50 pm

Her relevant experience is her time as an assistant coach in the NBA. Coaching the WNBA means virtually nothing in the context of hiring nba coaches. It's not a highly sought after or competitive job.

Hammon head coaching in summer league is more meaningful than this. When will she get a chance? Who knows, if ever. The first nba team to hire a woman head coach will be under major pressure not to fire them if they do poorly, and harsh criticism from players and media will not be viewed as tolerably. The second anyone questions her coaching performance there will be accusations of sexism.
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Post#72 » by Jonny Blaze » Fri Jun 24, 2022 11:52 pm

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Jonny Blaze wrote:
Kent wrote:Frankly I'm shocked to read how many posters think it's a bad idea for her to lead an NBA team.

More and more women are being hired in front office positions across every sport. There's no reason women can't succeed in the coaching ranks.

Basketball is basketball.



Lets cut out the Politically Correct BS.....do you really think an extreme alpha male who through sheer hard work and dedication has made himself into being one of the 500 best basketball players in the World is going to have the same level of fear or respect for a woman than he would over Greg Popovich, Pat Riley or Jason Kidd?

If the answer is no.....then that team is putting themselves at a disadvantage to teams that will hire a great male coach
Are free agents going to flock to a team that is being coached by a woman as some sort of feminist experiment?

No one has answered my question as to why so many people are pushing for a woman to coach in the NBA, and not in MLB or football.


Most athletes nowadays don't have an old world attitude of "women belong in the kitchen, not in sports"
.

You clearly see guys like LeBron, Chris Paul, etc, advocating and pushing the WNBA and positions for women who are qualified.

.


This is another really horrible strawman argument. I said nothing about Becky Hammon not belonging in Sports.

Why is it so important for her to coach men instead of other female basketball players?
What makes her so special?

How was she supposedly more qualified than Chauncey Billups for the Portland job?
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Post#73 » by xdrta+ » Fri Jun 24, 2022 11:53 pm

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Jonny Blaze wrote:Im sorry to not be Politically Correct but I do not see a grown man respecting a woman coach as much as he would another man.


How about a not-so-grown man?


https://franchisesports.co.uk/nba-draft-eligibility-explained/

How old do you have to be to play in the NBA?
The simple answer to the minimum age requirement to play in the NBA is 19 years old.


That age will usually satisfy the rule that they must be one season removed from high school. There are some players though, who have taken unorthodox routes to the NBA, that didn’t involve four years of high school.


I understand that you think you are being slick and funny, but the minimum age requirement to join the NBA is 19.

The NBA does not employ not so grown men.


I understand you are being all macho and stuff, talking about not being "Politically Correct" and "grown men" and "penises," but actually you just sound ridiculous.
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Post#74 » by SOUL » Sat Jun 25, 2022 12:01 am

Jonny Blaze wrote:This is another really horrible strawman argument. I said nothing about Becky Hammon not belonging in Sports.

Why is it so important for her to coach men instead of other female basketball players?
What makes her so special?

How was she supposedly more qualified than Chauncey Billups for the Portland job?


You just said a man cannot respect a female coach like a male coach. I just said that the NBA is extremely progressive when it comes to stuff like that. Some people don't like that and want the game to be a "man's game" - I argue that it doesn't matter who is at the helm as long as they have the pedigree, have put the work in, and have competence. Plus, the NBA is never just the HC. Assistants do a ton of work as well.

The goalposts always move when it comes to Becky and it's rare to have goalposts move this much with any other assistant. Bottom line:

Becky Hammon shouldn't get a coaching job just because she is female and it would be good for representation. It would set a bad example because it means that people care about optics more than results. However, you see a guy like Steve Nash have zero experience and get a very important Nets job and completely bungle it.. it's already out there.

Becky Hammon SHOULD get a coaching job if she is deemed to be a competent leader, good at her job, and has put the work in. With 8 years under Popovich, and if she does well with the Aces, I see that as a pretty damn good resume.
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Post#75 » by NZB2323 » Sat Jun 25, 2022 12:02 am

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Jonny Blaze wrote:

Lets cut out the Politically Correct BS.....do you really think an extreme alpha male who through sheer hard work and dedication has made himself into being one of the 500 best basketball players in the World is going to have the same level of fear or respect for a woman than he would over Greg Popovich, Pat Riley or Jason Kidd?


Why is this hypothetical alpha male respect Nick Nurse (never played in the NBA), Eric Spolestra (never played in the NBA) or Derek Fisher (career role player, rolled out of bed and got handed a head coaching job)?


That is a pretty horrible strawman. All of those guys have penises.....Becky Hammon does not.

Im sorry to not be Politically Correct but I do not see a grown man respecting a woman coach as much as he would another man.


So if Eric Spolestra got into a horrible accident tomorrow and had his penis cut off would players on the Miami Heat no long respect him? Would the Heat have to fire him and hire a new coach? When he is giving instructions to Jimmy Butler is Butler thinking about Spo’s penis and thinking he has to do what Spo says because Spo has a penis? Should the Heat fire Spo and hire a porn star that has a huge penis to be their coach?

Or is it about basketball? Do members of the Heat listen to Spo talk about basketball just like how members of the Spurs listened to Hammon talk about basketball?
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Post#76 » by SOUL » Sat Jun 25, 2022 12:02 am

MrBigShot wrote:Hammon head coaching in summer league is more meaningful than this. When will she get a chance? Who knows, if ever. The first nba team to hire a woman head coach will be under major pressure not to fire them if they do poorly, and harsh criticism from players and media will not be viewed as tolerably. The second anyone questions her coaching performance there will be accusations of sexism.


There's always drama with coach firings. The coaching circle is a big fraternity and think they get screwed over all the time.
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Post#77 » by Lockdown504090 » Sat Jun 25, 2022 12:07 am

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More like she realized it was never going to go past the talking stage in the NBA boys club, at least in her lifetime, so she might as well move on to a real coaching job.

do you have any idea what an nba assistant does? its actually a real coaching job that men all over the world would kill for.


Assistant coaches do different things on different teams. Do you have any idea of the difference between an assistant coach and a head coaching job? Perhaps after 8 years she had seen enough of assistant coaching and realized that was the end of the line for her in the NBA.

yes, i do actually. if shes a quality assistant in the nba, and a quality head in the W, she can probably be better than dwayne casey for example.
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Post#78 » by Free Rider » Sat Jun 25, 2022 12:09 am

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Lets cut out the Politically Correct BS.....do you really think an extreme alpha male who through sheer hard work and dedication has made himself into being one of the 500 best basketball players in the World is going to have the same level of fear or respect for a woman than he would over Greg Popovich, Pat Riley or Jason Kidd?

If the answer is no.....then that team is putting themselves at a disadvantage to teams that will hire a great male coach
Are free agents going to flock to a team that is being coached by a woman as some sort of feminist experiment?

No one has answered my question as to why so many people are pushing for a woman to coach in the NBA, and not in MLB or football.



People are pushing for a women to coach in the NFL and MLB but you're probably not aware of it because you've already convinced yourself that "alpha males" won't ever listen to a woman. There are actually quite a number of offensive and defensive line coaches in the NFL that have been mentioned potential head coaches in the near future. Just take a look of the following articles and you'll find a number of female coaches in the NFL who have been listed as potential head coaches:

https://onherturf.nbcsports.com/2021/09/09/2021-nfl-season-record-12-women-coaches/

https://apnews.com/article/tampa-bay-buccaneers-nfl-entertainment-sports-business-41ac77339383073ac3796b6bd8032ab3

https://www.forbes.com/sites/emilyiannaconi/2021/09/08/the-nfls-record-12-women-coaches-in-2021-is-both-overdue-and-just-in-time/?sh=3d5912463faf

These conservations are happening whether or not you choose to pay attention to it.


Honest question: Why do you think its so important for a woman to be a head coach in a mans league?

Why can't Hammon coach women in the WNBA, or College level?


Because they're a lot of qualified women out there and there no reason why they can't.
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Post#79 » by Clemenza » Sat Jun 25, 2022 12:15 am

Imo a female D1 college coach has to happen before there's a female head coach in the NBA. Out of 300-400 college programs big and small you mean to tell me Becky Hammon couldn't land one of these jobs? I also felt that Pat Summit -may she RIP- should've switched over and coached the men's program at Tennessee after she won so many titles for the women's program. That would've been the starting point right there.
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Post#80 » by andyhop » Sat Jun 25, 2022 12:50 am

I think it is much more likely that the first female NBA Coach is an internal appointment rather than an external one , so I am not sure her going to the Aces makes any difference to her chances of getting a job ( unless she fails embarrassingly there over time) because the only likely job for her is with the Spurs after Pop , who will base that decision on her time with them and not on what she does elsewhere
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