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Beethoven wrote:Betting over for gsw looks to be a sure win wager I mean cmon 52 games??
AussieCeltic wrote:GiannisAnte34 wrote:Floody100 wrote:
Care to explain or are you just a petty Bucks fans who doesn’t like that the Celtics are predicted to win more games ?
The Celtics won 51 games, care to explain how they've improved 5 wins?
1) Adding Brogdon who has missed on average nearly 33 games per season the last 3 years (100 games missed the last 3 years if you want to get technical) doesn't strike as a rock solid improvement. He has a degenerative foot injury that won't ever get better
2) Udoka was a 1st year coach, a lot of 1st year coaches historically do better than 2nd year coaches because the league doesn't have film to study their tendencies yet.
3) Al Horford isn't getting younger, last year he had the benefit of being completely fresh thanks to OKC benching him in the 2020-2021 season.
4) Timelord played through his recovery of a torn meniscus because the Celtics went deep in the playoffs.
5) Last season the Celtics pushed all of their starters to play much higher average minutes per game because their backs were up against the wall before the All-Star break. Once the Finals came around, it was clear that the toll taken on their stars from the regular season and deep playoff run was a factor. If the Celtics are wise and in the position where they don't need to play tight rotations and playoff intensity starting in January, they'll load manage their stars more (particularly Tatum, Brown, Horford, and Timelord)
2nd year coaches do worse than rookie coaches? Got any evidence to back that up? I’d bet the opposite.
I think the Vegas line is right for the Celtics. I also think the Bucks is too low as I mentioned earlier but your reasoning is ridiculous.
GiannisAnte34 wrote:Floody100 wrote:GiannisAnte34 wrote:
The Celtics won 51 games, care to explain how they've improved 5 wins?
1) Adding Brogdon who has missed on average nearly 33 games per season the last 3 years (100 games missed the last 3 years if you want to get technical) doesn't strike as a rock solid improvement. He has a degenerative foot injury that won't ever get better
2) Udoka was a 1st year coach, a lot of 1st year coaches historically do better than 2nd year coaches because the league doesn't have film to study their tendencies yet.
3) Al Horford isn't getting younger, last year he had the benefit of being completely fresh thanks to OKC benching him in the 2020-2021 season.
4) Timelord played through his recovery of a torn meniscus because the Celtics went deep in the playoffs.
5) Last season the Celtics pushed all of their starters to play much higher average minutes per game because their backs were up against the wall before the All-Star break. Once the Finals came around, it was clear that the toll taken on their stars from the regular season and deep playoff run was a factor. If the Celtics are wise and in the position where they don't need to play tight rotations and playoff intensity starting in January, they'll load manage their stars more (particularly Tatum, Brown, Horford, and Timelord)
We started the season inconsistency with a record of 18-21 largely due to getting used to a new coach & new system. As soon as everything came together we ended up going 33-10 in our next 43. We’ve added much needed talent & depth which will help too.
What new system? The Celtics spammed switch everything defense all year long and they stuck to a tightened rotation giving heavy minutes to their top 7 guys. Good luck with two injury prone "talent & depth" guys
GiannisAnte34 wrote:AussieCeltic wrote:GiannisAnte34 wrote:
The Celtics won 51 games, care to explain how they've improved 5 wins?
1) Adding Brogdon who has missed on average nearly 33 games per season the last 3 years (100 games missed the last 3 years if you want to get technical) doesn't strike as a rock solid improvement. He has a degenerative foot injury that won't ever get better
2) Udoka was a 1st year coach, a lot of 1st year coaches historically do better than 2nd year coaches because the league doesn't have film to study their tendencies yet.
3) Al Horford isn't getting younger, last year he had the benefit of being completely fresh thanks to OKC benching him in the 2020-2021 season.
4) Timelord played through his recovery of a torn meniscus because the Celtics went deep in the playoffs.
5) Last season the Celtics pushed all of their starters to play much higher average minutes per game because their backs were up against the wall before the All-Star break. Once the Finals came around, it was clear that the toll taken on their stars from the regular season and deep playoff run was a factor. If the Celtics are wise and in the position where they don't need to play tight rotations and playoff intensity starting in January, they'll load manage their stars more (particularly Tatum, Brown, Horford, and Timelord)
2nd year coaches do worse than rookie coaches? Got any evidence to back that up? I’d bet the opposite.
I think the Vegas line is right for the Celtics. I also think the Bucks is too low as I mentioned earlier but your reasoning is ridiculous.
I know that you won't put any money down on the Celtics winning 56 or more games so why are you even upset?
I'll bet the rights to change your signature to whatever I see fit if the Celtics win less than 56 games, if they win 56 games or more you can change my signature to whatever your liking. Confirming this bet will be binding and no retractions will be available, let me know
LaLover11 wrote:I bet you $100 Mavs beat the Celtics
Floody100 wrote:GiannisAnte34 wrote:Floody100 wrote:
We started the season inconsistency with a record of 18-21 largely due to getting used to a new coach & new system. As soon as everything came together we ended up going 33-10 in our next 43. We’ve added much needed talent & depth which will help too.
What new system? The Celtics spammed switch everything defense all year long and they stuck to a tightened rotation giving heavy minutes to their top 7 guys. Good luck with two injury prone "talent & depth" guys
Ummm the new system that was different from the previous one under Brad Stevens ….
God read things properly so you don’t make yourself look like a complete fool.
LaLover11 wrote:I bet you $100 Mavs beat the Celtics
AussieCeltic wrote:GiannisAnte34 wrote:AussieCeltic wrote:
2nd year coaches do worse than rookie coaches? Got any evidence to back that up? I’d bet the opposite.
I think the Vegas line is right for the Celtics. I also think the Bucks is too low as I mentioned earlier but your reasoning is ridiculous.
I know that you won't put any money down on the Celtics winning 56 or more games so why are you even upset?
I'll bet the rights to change your signature to whatever I see fit if the Celtics win less than 56 games, if they win 56 games or more you can change my signature to whatever your liking. Confirming this bet will be binding and no retractions will be available, let me know
I said the line is right which means it’s a no play for me (I put my 3 favs earlier in the thread). I actually do bet and make money betting so I look for edges. I think Vegas nailed the bet and Celtics will be in that range so it would be dumb throwing money on that.
I’ll take your bet if we agree bets off if Tatum or Brown miss 20+ games.
Floody100 wrote:GiannisAnte34 wrote:Floody100 wrote:
We started the season inconsistency with a record of 18-21 largely due to getting used to a new coach & new system. As soon as everything came together we ended up going 33-10 in our next 43. We’ve added much needed talent & depth which will help too.
What new system? The Celtics spammed switch everything defense all year long and they stuck to a tightened rotation giving heavy minutes to their top 7 guys. Good luck with two injury prone "talent & depth" guys
Ummm the new system that was different from the previous one under Brad Stevens ….
God read things properly so you don’t make yourself look like a complete fool.
AussieCeltic wrote:Floody100 wrote:GiannisAnte34 wrote:
What new system? The Celtics spammed switch everything defense all year long and they stuck to a tightened rotation giving heavy minutes to their top 7 guys. Good luck with two injury prone "talent & depth" guys
Ummm the new system that was different from the previous one under Brad Stevens ….
God read things properly so you don’t make yourself look like a complete fool.
Don’t worry about him, he’s been a Celtic troll since the playoffs.
It’s not just “spam” switching as well. It was putting Horford on the main scoring big and TimeLord as the help defender and keeping him in the corner. Plus a completely new offensive scheme.
Also the rotation went to 8 guys so adding 2 extra players to that rotation no matter how injury prone they are is a bonus.
I’m expecting Tatum to leap into the MVP conversation next season as well.
GiannisAnte34 wrote:Floody100 wrote:GiannisAnte34 wrote:
What new system? The Celtics spammed switch everything defense all year long and they stuck to a tightened rotation giving heavy minutes to their top 7 guys. Good luck with two injury prone "talent & depth" guys
Ummm the new system that was different from the previous one under Brad Stevens ….
God read things properly so you don’t make yourself look like a complete fool.
the new system that was different from the previous one
AMAZING explanation there, now I definitely feel foolish. not like Stevens couldn't pick someone to adopt his system or anything, it would be absurd to suggest that the Celtics run the same plays and schemes that they did under Stevens.
Roger Murdock wrote:Raptors over is far from a lock. They were one of the luckiest teams in the NBA last year with injuries and missed games and have little depth. Almost all of their starters were towards league lead in MPG.
If Toronto had the injury luck of Cleveland, Chicago, Miami, etc last year they would have comfortably missed the playoffs.
eyeatoma wrote:You guys still dont' get it. Playoff accomplishment don't matter when you're up for your 1st MVP. When you're up for your 3rd in a row, damn straight it matters, as the only ones who done it are top 15 players of all time who have won rings.
QingJames wrote:Roger Murdock wrote:Raptors over is far from a lock. They were one of the luckiest teams in the NBA last year with injuries and missed games and have little depth. Almost all of their starters were towards league lead in MPG.
If Toronto had the injury luck of Cleveland, Chicago, Miami, etc last year they would have comfortably missed the playoffs.
Siakam missed 14 games.
Anunoby missed 34 games.
Vanvleet missed 17 games.
Trent missed 12 games.
Tell me more about this injury luck and lack of missed games? As you say, they had no depth, and their best three players missed a combined 65/246 possible games. That's more than a quarter of the season. Yet they managed to eke out almost 50 wins with lots of missed time and no depth. They're a lock to beat that 44.5 line, which assumes that they are a worse team than last year even though their youth has a year to improve and they have more depth.
advent11 wrote:Mavs being disrespected.
whitehops wrote:i'd be tempted to take the under on all the bottom 6 teams because there could be some tanking mayhem towards the end of the season, especially if wembanyama has a season deserving of the hype.
this might sound weird but i think the most comfortable over i'd be taking is on sacramento.
QingJames wrote:Roger Murdock wrote:Raptors over is far from a lock. They were one of the luckiest teams in the NBA last year with injuries and missed games and have little depth. Almost all of their starters were towards league lead in MPG.
If Toronto had the injury luck of Cleveland, Chicago, Miami, etc last year they would have comfortably missed the playoffs.
Siakam missed 14 games.
Anunoby missed 34 games.
Vanvleet missed 17 games.
Trent missed 12 games.
Tell me more about this injury luck and lack of missed games? As you say, they had no depth, and their best three players missed a combined 65/246 possible games. That's more than a quarter of the season. Yet they managed to eke out almost 50 wins with lots of missed time and no depth. They're a lock to beat that 44.5 line, which assumes that they are a worse team than last year even though their youth has a year to improve and they have more depth.