Let Danny Ainge Rot

Blame Rasho · Post #61 » by **Blame Rasho** » Sat Jul 23, 2022 2:36 am

Umm ok…

Cool.

I am sure he is doing okay playing the long game while you have a hissy fit.

chrbal · Post #62 » by **chrbal** » Sat Jul 23, 2022 2:45 am

OrangeBlueSkies wrote:He won’t budge on his ask of SIX first round picks? No problem, let Mitchell ruin your tank and just have yourself a disgruntled superstar. We have all the assets and therefore we, the Knicks, can dictate how this goes down.

Don’t wanna trade us D Mitchell? Hey Brooklyn, how’s Randle, 4 firsts, and D Rose for KD?

We have 8 firsts at our disposal, don’t mess this up, and like I been saying since this regime took over, I’ve got faith in them not messing this up.

Even four firsts is a lot of picks, but if we can do fournier, Reddish, 4 firsts, I’m into it. If not let Danny [and unfortunately, Donovan] rot.

The less we give up in a Mitchell deal the more we have for a follow up deal to pair another star next to RJ:Brunson:Mitchell.

Yes, Randle and 3 or 4 firsts can get you something in this market.

You get that he’s just waiting until the Knicks get desperate enough to overpay for Mitchell, right?

Kalela · Post #63 » by **Kalela** » Sat Jul 23, 2022 2:46 am

I am sure this has been asked before already but is Mitchel even a good fit in New York? Somehow I don't think he is.

RoundMoundOfRebound · Post #64 » by **RoundMoundOfRebound** » Sat Jul 23, 2022 3:34 am

Kalela wrote:I am sure this has been asked before already but is Mitchel even a good fit in New York? Somehow I don't think he is.

Has this stopped the Knicks before?

heatwillbeback · Post #65 » by **heatwillbeback** » Sat Jul 23, 2022 3:35 am

I will always be on board for bad things happening to Danny Ainge.

youngcrev · Post #66 » by **youngcrev** » Sat Jul 23, 2022 3:43 am

Why are the Jazz trading Mitchell when they could just flip 4 of their 1sts and [insert necessary salaries] to BK for Durant?

Gert42 · Post #67 » by **Gert42** » Sat Jul 23, 2022 3:44 am

Because Durant wouldn't want to play there, and their defense would be atrocious.

DrCoach · Post #68 » by **DrCoach** » Sat Jul 23, 2022 3:51 am

beantownski wrote:knicks have no leverage in the situation. ainge will win the trade, and if the knicks get mitchell.....good luck with your 6'1" no defense backcourt.

Knicks have all the leverage, nobody outside OKC can afford the price of picks

BlazersBroncos · Post #69 » by **BlazersBroncos** » Sat Jul 23, 2022 4:11 am

Gert42 wrote:Because Durant wouldn't want to play there, and their defense would be atrocious.

That and because BRK wouldnt take that package. Its a play on the absurd Randle and 4 FRP for KD trade offered up earlier.

28 teams could beat that.

Portland for example doesnt even have a great package but would offer Simons, Sharpe, Little and as many FRP as they want.

Monky15 · Post #70 » by **Monky15** » Sat Jul 23, 2022 4:12 am

DrCoach wrote:
beantownski wrote:knicks have no leverage in the situation. ainge will win the trade, and if the knicks get mitchell.....good luck with your 6'1" no defense backcourt.

Knicks have all the leverage, nobody outside OKC can afford the price of picks

If Banchero is NBA ready from the get go and forces Orlando to be competitive I could see them putting together a competitive offer around Isaac, Anthony, Suggs, Den 1st, Bulls, 1st and then they still got their own 1sts to add if more value is needed.

Mitchell
Harris
Wagner
Banchero
WCJ

BlazersBroncos · Post #71 » by **BlazersBroncos** » Sat Jul 23, 2022 4:18 am

Monky15 wrote:
DrCoach wrote:
beantownski wrote:knicks have no leverage in the situation. ainge will win the trade, and if the knicks get mitchell.....good luck with your 6'1" no defense backcourt.

Knicks have all the leverage, nobody outside OKC can afford the price of picks

If Banchero is NBA ready from the get go and forces Orlando to be competitive I could see them putting together a competitive offer around Isaac, Anthony, Suggs, Den 1st, Bulls, 1st and then they still got their own 1sts to add if more value is needed.

Mitchell
Harris
Wagner
Banchero
WCJ

I actually like ORL as a darkhorse and Paolo may be immediatley good enough to justify making a win-now (But with a large window due to Mitchells age) type move. But it would take more.

Issac
Suggs
Filler
ORL 23 UNP
CHI 23 Top-4
ORL 24 Swap UNP
ORL 25 UNP
ORL 26 Swap Top-8

Big price for ORL to pay, but Mitchell, Banchero and Wagner make for one hell of a young core. Fultz, Okeke, Mo as defenders off the bench. WCJ + Harris + Wagner as plus starting defenders. Banchero as a wildcard that IMO is at least a neutral defender. Cole as potentially a bench scorer (Albeit not sure the minutes are there w/ Mitch, Fultz, Harris.

IDK, I like it. Think Paolo is for-real and those UNP picks go late lotto in 23 then end up in the 20s.

Post #72 » by **Snakebites** » Sat Jul 23, 2022 4:28 am

RoundMoundOfRebound wrote:
Kalela wrote:I am sure this has been asked before already but is Mitchel even a good fit in New York? Somehow I don't think he is.

Has this stopped the Knicks before?

The better way to frame this is that the Knicks roster isn't a good fit for Mitchell. He'd be the most important piece if they landed him.

I'm not saying they should cave to Ainge's demands, Mitchell is a great player but not a generational talent. But to me you don't hold off on trading for a guy just because he doesn't fit with lesser players already on the roster.

GreatWhiteStiff · Post #73 » by **GreatWhiteStiff** » Sat Jul 23, 2022 4:38 am

beantownski wrote:knicks have no leverage in the situation. ainge will win the trade, and if the knicks get mitchell.....good luck with your 6'1" no defense backcourt.

I mean the knicks "leverage" is you don't want to trade mitchell for anything less than a haul, oh well we'll build up with our picks and young player capital rather than trade them for a partner in a small backcourt that won't lead to real competitive success.

Oh well! Sucks to be us! See you. Unfortunately that doomed scenario of building around a bounty of picks and good young players is there only recourse vs a mitchell trade, they might be stuck with that.

Meanwhile Utah is sitting on Mitchell and trying to rebuild with him, but also win a high slot in the draft lottery, which retaining Mitchell only has a negative impact on. I'm sure Ainge will be chalking that up as a win, and enjoying his continued leverage.

Catchall · Post #74 » by **Catchall** » Sat Jul 23, 2022 4:51 am

KodiakBear wrote:
dautjazz wrote:Durant wouldn't want to play with a Knicks team that only has RJ and Brunson lol, and I doubt the Nets are interested in Randle.

According a Jazz radio host, a trade has already been agreed on, not sure what is the hold up, maybe there multiple teams. A few other sports people in Utah have confirmed they received the txt messages related to the trade.

Patrick kinahan said that. He is literally the dumbest and most annoying sports media figure in the country. His show is filled with bad jokes and even worse sports takes. I hate how it is trendy for people to call everything cringe now, but Patrick kinahan is the definition of cringe.

'PK' is a reputable radio host who is close with Austin Ainge and leaked the Gobert trade the day it happened. He was saying that a deal had been agreed upon and would be finalized and announced soon. Some members of the Jazz front office were a bit upset that he leaked it, but no one has refuted it.

Personally, I think the trade will happen in the next week or so. It's just a matter of looking at a few 3-team scenarios to expand the deal. Jazz are probably going to be left holding a player like Fournier, as well as Conely and Gay, whom they'd like to move.

Quattro · Post #75 » by **Quattro** » Sat Jul 23, 2022 5:05 am

RHODEY wrote:
Quattro wrote:Randle, Rose and a bunch of heavily protected FRPs for Durant? Sure. Brooklyn will be tripping over themselves to make that deal.

Why is there MSG real estate in your head? It shouldn't matter to you since we all know KD doesn't want to play with your squad. With or without Mitchell or KD the KNICKS>Raptors.

Is it the fact you have the worst owner in the league, the fact that nobody wants to play there or the 1 playoff appearance in a decade that led you to that conclusion?

MrBigShot · Post #76 » by **MrBigShot** » Sat Jul 23, 2022 5:11 am

If I was a GM I wouldn't even bother trying to entertain any trades from Danny Ainge. From the perspective of a fan, he's brilliant. But he negotiates to figuratively rip off the other team.

thamadkant · Post #77 » by **thamadkant** » Sat Jul 23, 2022 5:24 am

Wagonband wrote:I mean obviously his strategy is working if you are frustrated enough to be writing this.

The Gobert trade messed up the entire offseason. He got such a haul that you simply can't trade KD or Mitchell for anything less. While Mitchell might not be a better player right now, he is much younger than Gobert, so it makes sense that their trade value is close.

Wolves could have had Gobert for 3 first rounders.... no one else would be willing to trade that many to pay 40 Million to a defensive center.. Wolves obviously felt that they can trade 5 picks since they will all be late first rounders because they think they are a playoff team.

If Wolves GM was a good one... he would have just told Ainge 3 picks take it or leave it.... but instead buckled and gave Ainge another package that was similar to the Nets Celtics trade back then... Ainge gets away with screwing over teams and GMs are letting him.

RHODEY · Post #78 » by **RHODEY** » Sat Jul 23, 2022 5:52 am

Quattro wrote:
RHODEY wrote:
Quattro wrote:Randle, Rose and a bunch of heavily protected FRPs for Durant? Sure. Brooklyn will be tripping over themselves to make that deal.

Why is there MSG real estate in your head? It shouldn't matter to you since we all know KD doesn't want to play with your squad. With or without Mitchell or KD the KNICKS>Raptors.

Is it the fact you have the worst owner in the league, the fact that nobody wants to play there or the 1 playoff appearance in a decade that led you to that conclusion?

Kawhi bolting after he won a ring....led me to that conclusion.

GeorgeSears · Post #79 » by **GeorgeSears** » Sat Jul 23, 2022 5:58 am

The big sticking point is the unprotected picks. The Knicks can't give those picks up for a player like Mitchell, if they want to be considered a respectable franchise. Maybe they can give up one of them, but no more than that.

But Ainge also knows that there's going to be mounting pressure from New York media to get Mitchell, and I have a feeling the Knicks are so weak mentally that they'll fold and pull the trigger on a disastrous deal.

Post #80 » by **jazzfan1971** » Sat Jul 23, 2022 6:53 am

You know you want it.