Jerry West pretty much destroys JJ Redick

[michaelm]

I didn’t really take it that way. I think Jerry was just highlighting the point that it’s still an accomplishment to dominate your era regardless of how much the game has changed and that JJ shouldn’t be dragging down other guys to prop his own career up.

Except I don’t care if he dominated his era if that doesn’t necessarily give me greater insight into this current era… I didn’t see JJs comments as bringing anyone else down, just uplifting current players if anything. So again, West is just an old man trying to uplift his own era, which I’m not mad at, but I’m not giving him any credit for either..

Every team Jerry West touches, turns to gold, including the LA Clippers roster since he joined them in 2017. He's the smartest man in the NBA.

JJ Reddick ain’t the logo. West was about as good as it got for his time, which Reddick wasn’t, and Reddick’s post NBA playing career is extremely unlikely to approach West’s either, given West is probably one of the smartest basketball minds ever as you say as opposed to JJ making cringeworthy statements on a cringeworthy show. The logo having walked the walk is in a rather good position to talk the talk imo, and it was JJ who threw the first shade.

[C3H6N6O6]

Almost all athletes are arrogant. That being sad the problem is that NBA fans are the only ones who don't want to accept that the biggest reason NBA has more talent now is just because more people want to play pro basketball now.
It is not rocket science to say that way more people worldwide are interested in playing basketball now than just 20 years ago.
The people giving too much credit to fitness and training are missing the point.

Basketball is not like Football(soccer) where the whole world wanted to play it professionally even 30 years ago.
Also, I see more past players throwing shade at current players than vice versa. Only lately have current players started speaking openly against the current era bashing by past players.

[JN61]

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[JN61]

Yawn.

The best NBA minds are role players cause stars are too full of themselves. You need both for a great product but Jerry West is just acting like a boomer. You can be a role player in the NBA but at the end of the day you're still one of the best 500 basketball players in the entire world.

And what about Redick? Disrespectful little weasel.

[MotownMadness]

Damn, some well made points in there.

- players didnt have access to training centers like today, we had to work all summer to support our families

- JJ still isnt guarding any of the elite players from that time

Swoosh. You totally missed his point.

Not really, those were just some of the things that stood out to me from it that were entertaining.

I guess i basically just described the meaning of a plumber as a good point though

[hoosierdaddy34]

Interestingly enough, just another example of how thin skinned Jerry can be even worrying about those comments. He can’t help himself but to come across like the one thing he truly hates…his own portrayal in Winning Time.

Anyways JJ probably shouldn’t have said it even though he isn’t wrong. Very few of those dudes from the 60s could play in the league today.

[JN61]

Interestingly enough, just another example of how thin skinned Jerry can be even worrying about those comments. He can’t help himself but to come across like the one thing he truly hates…his own portrayal in Winning Time.

Anyways JJ probably shouldn’t have said it even though he isn’t wrong. Very few of those dudes from the 60s could play in the league today.

Goes both ways. Take all the knowledge and advancements and the money from that era to this era away from guys like Redick and he doesn't even make to 60s league. Guys like Redick are too busy trying to get nice newspaper job or what ever to rise a family to care about the sports..

[Fencer reregistered]

Frankly, that sounded to me as if West was conceding at least some of Redick's claimed facts, while taking strong umbrage at Redick's tone.

[Black Jack]

Yawn.

The best NBA minds are role players cause stars are too full of themselves. You need both for a great product but Jerry West is just acting like a boomer. You can be a role player in the NBA but at the end of the day you're still one of the best 500 basketball players in the entire world.

Last time I checked West is a top 15ish player of all time AND a top 5 NBA GM ever. He was important as an exec in putting together not one, not two, but THREE separate league dominant dynasties (Magic Lakers, Shaqobe Lakers, and Curry Warriors), and two really good squads (Grizz and Clips).

And yeah, I'll take West's NBA mind over JJ friggin Reddick anytime

[Antinomy]

JJ wouldn't last in the 'Plumber and fireman' era.

He was a scrub in the 00's and only found relevance in the league as the it transitioned to the 3 ball and defensive rules changed. Even then, JJ was only a role player. He made that comment as if he could survive in an earlier era. If someone else said it, like a Lebron, sure. But JJ Reddick needs to learn his place when taking shots at older eras.

JJ averaged nearly 30 in his senior year of college — he’d have been deadly if he played in the 60s & 70s.

[OdomFan]

Yawn.

The best NBA minds are role players cause stars are too full of themselves. You need both for a great product but Jerry West is just acting like a boomer. You can be a role player in the NBA but at the end of the day you're still one of the best 500 basketball players in the entire world.

Well in this case the role player was full of himself for coming out and disrespecting the talent who guarded Bob Cousy and the other stars from that time period of NBA Basketball by calling them fire fighters, plumbers, etc. So all West is really saying is that who is JJ to disrespect role players from any era? He had a solid career, average over 10 points which is never a bad thing because it contributes well to a team, but that doesn't make it ok to go around being arrogant like this.

[OdomFan]

JJ wouldn't last in the 'Plumber and fireman' era.

He was a scrub in the 00's and only found relevance in the league as the it transitioned to the 3 ball and defensive rules changed. Even then, JJ was only a role player. He made that comment as if he could survive in an earlier era. If someone else said it, like a Lebron, sure. But JJ Reddick needs to learn his place when taking shots at older eras.

JJ averaged nearly 30 in his senior year of college — he’d have been deadly if he played in the 60s & 70s.

Well that's only if 00s JJ Reddick was to teleport into the league in the 60s and 70s, however if he grew up in that time he would have learned to play the game the way they played it back then. So there's no guarantee that his progress in the league would be any better or worse. We don't know because well obviously he's from a different era.

[TheWitcher]

God damn, I love how he started it off so graceful and nice, then just applied the SAUCE.

Jerry West is so cool.

“JJ should be very thankful he made as much money as he made….”

Jerry let him live!

[CharityStripe34]

I also don't understand why the NBA is the only pro-league where eras blatantly disrespect other eras and discussions about all-time great players from different eras devolves into "well, they played in the ___'s, it's hard to compare."

It's also an indictment of what idiotic shows First Take, Undisputed and those type of "infotainment" shows are.

[lonzo_pelota]

Now this is the jerry west portrayed on that Lakers HBO show haha

[CharityStripe34]

Now this is the jerry west portrayed on that Lakers HBO show haha

This is the PG version of the Logo, lol.

[Nazrmohamed]

JJ wouldn't last in the 'Plumber and fireman' era.

He was a scrub in the 00's and only found relevance in the league as the it transitioned to the 3 ball and defensive rules changed. Even then, JJ was only a role player. He made that comment as if he could survive in an earlier era. If someone else said it, like a Lebron, sure. But JJ Reddick needs to learn his place when taking shots at older eras.

JJ was a scrub

lmao

Mans virtually created the on the move three

You can't be serious about on the move 3s right?

Reggie Miller
Steve Kerr

Actually just about everybody who shot the three prior to the era of 4 guys getting to stand around the 3point line shooting 3s. If anything JJ and Korver are the last of the era of route running 3pt shooters.

Unless I'm misunderstanding you.

[BK_2020]

I also don't understand why the NBA is the only pro-league where eras blatantly disrespect other eras and discussions about all-time great players from different eras devolves into "well, they played in the ___'s, it's hard to compare."

It's also an indictment of what idiotic shows First Take, Undisputed and those type of "infotainment" shows are.

It's really only because fans and former players cannot shut up about how players were better in the past. You will never hear people say Rod Laver would win three calendar slams in today's tennis or Don Mattingly would bat .500, but people say the functional equivalents in basketball.

[CharityStripe34]

I also see modern players/analysts trashing players/eras from previous decades so it's definitely a very childish mud-slinging battle.

[cool93]

Damn, some well made points in there.

- players didnt have access to training centers like today, we had to work all summer to support our families

- JJ still isnt guarding any of the elite players from that time

I meam that's proves JJs point though. One of the reasons that nowadays players are a lot better cause they train more and don'tneed another job.

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