Whos the GOAT franchise?

[dhsilv2]

Spurs. Small market team that was somehow elite for 2 decades. No other franchise comes close. If Kawhi wasn't a bitch, they would have been elite for another decade.

The Lakers were never well run. Their success has always come from elite free agents signing there and players demanding trades there. Their success is entirely a product of playing in Los Angeles.

Other historically successful teams like Chicago and Golden State caught lightning in a bottle (MJ and Curry) and rode them to brief successes but were irrelevant before and after that.

Miami, although well run, won all 3 of their titles because Shaq demanded a trade there and then Lebron signed there. Like LA, they're an incredibly desirable city to play in due to the weather and lifestyle.

2 decades?

Spoiler:

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37 * for phil
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Those are the spurs win total since 1990. Over 30 years they managed to have ONE losing season. It was just staggering what they did!

[dhsilv2]

Since 1990:
1. San Antonio Spurs - 5 titles and insane consistency. The only years they weren't contenders is the one year before they got Duncan and the last few years.
2. Los Angeles Lakers - Couple of so-so years in the early 90s due to Magic's early retirement, a couple years of mediocrity when Shaq left and a more sizeable period of irrelevancy between Kobe declining and LeBron coming to town in the 2010s. Still got 6 titles (tied most in this period) and multiple periods of dominance with different cores.
3. Chicago Bulls - This mostly comes down to the 90s but while they didn't achieve a ton after the 2000s they weren't generally bad either.
4. Miami Heat - For how young they are, they were almost immediately a threat and have remained one of the top teams in the league since. While 3 titles is great it is a bit less than the rest of the top 5 but Miami's consistency still makes me prefer them over the next team.
5. Golden State Warriors - They were bad for a long time but the last 10 or so years with 4 titles and a couple more finals is still a huge achievement and I honestly don't see other teams that have a combination of title winning success and consistency through the years. Thought about Dallas but 1 title and a barren 90s made me hesitant to put them over GSW. Celtics are probably slightly better than Dallas since 1990 but pretty comparable overall and also behind teh Warriors for me.

I think you really need to move the heat over the bulls at this point. The bulls have won only 5 playoff series since Jordan left in 1998. They've missed the playoffs 13 times.

[OdomFan]

Since 1990:
1. San Antonio Spurs - 5 titles and insane consistency. The only years they weren't contenders is the one year before they got Duncan and the last few years.
2. Los Angeles Lakers - Couple of so-so years in the early 90s due to Magic's early retirement, a couple years of mediocrity when Shaq left and a more sizeable period of irrelevancy between Kobe declining and LeBron coming to town in the 2010s. Still got 6 titles (tied most in this period) and multiple periods of dominance with different cores.
3. Chicago Bulls - This mostly comes down to the 90s but while they didn't achieve a ton after the 2000s they weren't generally bad either.
4. Miami Heat - For how young they are, they were almost immediately a threat and have remained one of the top teams in the league since. While 3 titles is great it is a bit less than the rest of the top 5 but Miami's consistency still makes me prefer them over the next team.
5. Golden State Warriors - They were bad for a long time but the last 10 or so years with 4 titles and a couple more finals is still a huge achievement and I honestly don't see other teams that have a combination of title winning success and consistency through the years. Thought about Dallas but 1 title and a barren 90s made me hesitant to put them over GSW. Celtics are probably slightly better than Dallas since 1990 but pretty comparable overall and also behind teh Warriors for me.

I think you really need to move the heat over the bulls at this point. The bulls have won only 5 playoff series since Jordan left in 1998. They've missed the playoffs 13 times.

Well the Bulls did sweep the Heat in 2007. That has to count for something in this conversation right?

[dhsilv2]

Lakers, Spurs or Celtics if we go back to the 80s

Even if we go back to 79-80 here are the regular season team records for these 3.

2096-1361
1990-1467
2117-1340

One of those is pretty noticeably behind the other two, and it's boston.

[iqureshi]

I'm a huge Bulls fan cause i was a pre-teen during the championship run growing up in Chicago. Lucking into MJ does not make you a goat franchise, all the blundering during and after Jordan left epitomizes the franchises failures. If the cheap owner offered some ownership stake to MJ, and used him to recruit Free agents, maybe having him a player/coach/gm, then Chicago could've been like the Lakers/Celtics.

Imagine MJ recruiting Duncan, Grant HIll, Tmac in 2000 instead of whatever buster they had. Fortunes would've changed, instead you had 2 blundering insecure buffoons (krause/Reinsdorf) thinking their past successes wasn't based of lucking into MJ.

Definite Trash franchise, how you went from one of the greatest shows in global sports history to whatever has followed. Takes a special kind of stupid to ruin that kind of goodwill.

1 Lakers
2 Celtics
3 Spurs
4 Heat
5 Warriors (they will show how a competent franchise without braindead ownership/management uses positive goodwill to create an everlasting successful team)

[dhsilv2]

Since 1990:
1. San Antonio Spurs - 5 titles and insane consistency. The only years they weren't contenders is the one year before they got Duncan and the last few years.
2. Los Angeles Lakers - Couple of so-so years in the early 90s due to Magic's early retirement, a couple years of mediocrity when Shaq left and a more sizeable period of irrelevancy between Kobe declining and LeBron coming to town in the 2010s. Still got 6 titles (tied most in this period) and multiple periods of dominance with different cores.
3. Chicago Bulls - This mostly comes down to the 90s but while they didn't achieve a ton after the 2000s they weren't generally bad either.
4. Miami Heat - For how young they are, they were almost immediately a threat and have remained one of the top teams in the league since. While 3 titles is great it is a bit less than the rest of the top 5 but Miami's consistency still makes me prefer them over the next team.
5. Golden State Warriors - They were bad for a long time but the last 10 or so years with 4 titles and a couple more finals is still a huge achievement and I honestly don't see other teams that have a combination of title winning success and consistency through the years. Thought about Dallas but 1 title and a barren 90s made me hesitant to put them over GSW. Celtics are probably slightly better than Dallas since 1990 but pretty comparable overall and also behind teh Warriors for me.

I think you really need to move the heat over the bulls at this point. The bulls have won only 5 playoff series since Jordan left in 1998. They've missed the playoffs 13 times.

Well the Bulls sweeping the Heat in 2007 has to count for something too in this conversation no?

It counts as one playoff series, one of their 5 total playoff series wins post MJ. Even despite Miami being an expansion team team winning 18 games the first year of this (89-90), they still have more regular season wins than the bulls. The made the playoffs more times as well.

It's actually really really close between the two, but a series between the two shouldn't have any more weight than any other playoff series.

If 6-0 in the finals vs 3-3 is enough for you to take a couple more playoff runs, a few more regular season wins, and a few more winning seasons...then that's fine. I don't think that's crazy, but the two are extremely similar in their results from 90 to today. For me consistency is a MUCH bigger deal with a franchise vs a player. If you rank the idea of "dynasties" higher, then that's a fair point, but I see the bulls failure post MJ has a sign it's a poorly run franchise that just got lucky with MJ.

[kobe_vs_jordan]

Lakers, Spurs or Celtics if we go back to the 80s

Even if we go back to 79-80 here are the regular season team records for these 3.

2096-1361
1990-1467
2117-1340

One of those is pretty noticeably behind the other two, and it's boston.

Think at some point its about things outside of wins and losses in GOAT discussion. Boston big 3 was kind a changing point on how teams built there teams. Even players seem to be more open in teaming after that point. Larry Bird did a ton for progressing the game of basketball.

[dhsilv2]

Lakers, Spurs or Celtics if we go back to the 80s

Even if we go back to 79-80 here are the regular season team records for these 3.

2096-1361
1990-1467
2117-1340

One of those is pretty noticeably behind the other two, and it's boston.

Think at some point its about things outside of wins and losses in GOAT discussion. Boston big 3 was kind a changing point on how teams built there teams. Even players seem to be more open in teaming after that point. Larry Bird did a ton for progressing the game of basketball.

Bird is a player...so I don't see that. As for team building, the big 3 wasn't really any different than Moses to the 76ers or Pippen/Chuck to the rockets. It just worked better that time. Those were trades, not part of player mobility that we're seeing now. So I don't really see how that is a change. Similarly, Thib's style flooding defense change the league, but that's the coach, not the franchise.

Ultimately, the celtics just haven't had the same success as the lakers or spurs, there's a big gap there.

[maxpower8888]

1. Lakers
2. Celtics
3. Warriors
4. Bulls
5. Spurs
6. Heat
...
everyone else

[Jables]

My highest respect goes to the Spurs, the Celtics had the most impressive dominance, but even if just using the allure of the city has led to nearly all their success the past 40-50 years, that's all it takes really. Their success basically aligns with how free their cap space is, despite their best efforts to waste it all.

[Joao Saraiva]

You absolutely should include other years.

And the GOAT franchise is the Lakers. They're in contention most of the time, have the most banners and get far in the playoffs much more than anyone else. They've got a tittle in almost every decade, that speaks volumes on the value of the franchise. Nobody comes close.

If you want to count only since 1990... it's still the Lakers. Bulls were relevant from 90 to 98, and then 11. That's it.

Lakers won in 00, 01, 02, 09, 10, 20 (6 times) and went to the finals in 04 and 08 too. They had a period of irrelevance but even in the 90s they were making noise since Shaq arrived.

[jazzed77]

Lakers
Spurs
Bulls (I feel like the time frame chosen was specifically done so the bulls could be included)
Heat
Warriors (like the bulls they're included for their work in a 1/3 of the time frame)

[xinxin]

If it’s from 1990, it’s still the Lakers with 6 titles and 9 NBA Finals.

Spurs would be next, then the Bulls & warriors and Heat.

But all time- I’ll just go with titles and finals appearances

1) Lakers
2) Celtics
3) Bulls
4) Spurs
5) Warriors


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[MrBigShot]

How are the celtics not on your list lol

[DS17]

Heat have been way more consistent than the warriors.

If from the 90s it’s

1) lakers
2) spurs
3) bulls
4) heat
5) warriors?

[DS17]

The warriors were garbage before 2013 lol

[Jfh20]

How are the celtics not on your list lol

im only judging from 90s and above. The nba was too watered down below dat, not enough competition...

[Jfh20]

How are the celtics not on your list lol

they won 1 title in the modern era, and have been perenial losers ever since. plus there one of our main rivals in the east (heat fan here).... and they knocked us out the ECF this year. lol

[Jfh20]

so from reading all the posts... i think its comes down to spurs/lakers.... they have been the two most consistent franchises since the 90s.... both owning two impressives dynastys in that timeframe also.... so which one would i go with? i think im going spurs... the lakers bubble title doesnt impress me. so at 5-5 each in the modern era, spurs for me.

[otwok]

As a Bulls fan and a Laker hater - the answer is clearly the Lakers. Celtics are very close. Spurs are 3rd right now

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