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Re: OT help needed baseball or nfl? 

Post#61 » by bwgood77 » Mon Aug 8, 2022 12:23 am

Ruma85 wrote:Hi community, I watch a lot of basketball, volleyball, football, And tennis.

I would like to add one more to watch one of these sports for next season as i have only watched sporadically each of them.

Noted one thing i don't like about the football is that the QB controls the whole offence

Thank you for reading.


NFL is by far the best.

First reason - tons of teams have a chance...it is MUCH more wide open than other leagues, particularly the NBA.

Second reason - with only 17 games in a season, each game has significant importance. It often comes down to the last game for the final few playoff spots.

In baseball, there are 162 games so each game is somewhat meaningless. A 9 or 10 game losing streak is similar to 1 NFL loss.

There is also a bit of activity on the NFL forum here and a game we usually play to pick winners against the spread, and some fantasy leagues if you like that stuff.
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Re: OT help needed baseball or nfl? 

Post#62 » by bwgood77 » Mon Aug 8, 2022 12:36 am

azcatz11 wrote:
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azcatz11 wrote:I challenge you to watch a baseball game on tv. The entire game with your full focus. Playoff baseball is a different story. Super exciting. Your answer is clear
I wait for next season & get back to you.


I’ll be waiting


Baseball playoff games can be exciting because finally the stakes are high. But they can also still be boring. You just know everyone is on edge a lot more during the playoffs.

They start fairly soon too, near the end of Sept so it's probably better to watch the playoffs this season because that is as exciting as baseball gets.

Meanwhile the NFL has just started and their regular season ratings still kill the baseball playoff ratings. I think a SNF game has more viewers than a World Series game (or an NBA Finals game for that matter).
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Re: OT help needed baseball or nfl? 

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Re: OT help needed baseball or nfl? 

Post#64 » by bwgood77 » Mon Aug 8, 2022 12:41 am

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JujitsuFlip wrote:I'd say NFL for sure and you should watch a lot of Tennessee Titans games.

Edit: QB hardly does anything for them, right up your alley.


I will give them a look, But i will stick with the engles as vick really started it for me to entertain to watch the sport.


Chargers will be fun this year too. Their offense has been good, their young QB is breaking records, and their defense has really beefed up in the offseason.

As a matter of fact, all AFC West games will be exciting. The Chiefs and Raiders made the playoffs last year, but between the Chargers and Raiders it came down to the final game (actually the final play).

Then the Broncos who already has a tough D and was still good despite being in last, traded for Russell Wilson so that division will be brutal with 2 of the best 5 qbs, and then Wilson who was top 3 a few years back and is still top 8 or so and Carr for the Raiders has become top 12 or so. I am basing these on NFL coach and FO polls. (Mahomes 2nd, Herbert 5th, Wilson 8th, Carr 12th).
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Re: OT help needed baseball or nfl? 

Post#65 » by JujitsuFlip » Mon Aug 8, 2022 12:52 am

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JujitsuFlip wrote:I'd say NFL for sure and you should watch a lot of Tennessee Titans games.

Edit: QB hardly does anything for them, right up your alley.


I will give them a look, But i will stick with the engles as vick really started it for me to entertain to watch the sport.


Chargers will be fun this year too. Their offense has been good, their young QB is breaking records, and their defense has really beefed up in the offseason.

As a matter of fact, all AFC West games will be exciting. The Chiefs and Raiders made the playoffs last year, but between the Chargers and Raiders it came down to the final game (actually the final play).

Then the Broncos who already has a tough D and was still good despite being in last, traded for Russell Wilson so that division will be brutal with 2 of the best 5 qbs, and then Wilson who was top 3 a few years back and is still top 8 or so and Carr for the Raiders has become top 12 or so. I am basing these on NFL coach and FO polls. (Mahomes 2nd, Herbert 5th, Wilson 8th, Carr 12th).
He probably wouldn't like the Charges though, Herbert throws it 40+ times per game and OP prefers running QBs.
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Re: OT help needed baseball or nfl? 

Post#66 » by Ruma85 » Mon Aug 8, 2022 12:55 am

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That’s a good idea I will do that since I work from home.
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Re: OT help needed baseball or nfl? 

Post#67 » by celticfan42487 » Mon Aug 8, 2022 1:39 am

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Cactus Jack wrote:
Ruma85 wrote:
I do watch a lot of football grew up on it. When your talking fantasy football are you talking about just one like epl or all of football around?

I do play fantasy basketball for money.

I'm pretty sure he means NFL in regards to fantasy.


He mentions MLS that's why i thought his talking about football.


Yeah sorry NFL football. That fantasy football.

It's by far the biggest fantasy sport in the world mainly due to it's low levels of management needed and one day result oriented action lines up really well with the sport. Whereas EPL and such you need to be aware and you might get awards for everything... NFL fantasy is *essentially* did your players score more TDs than the other team that day.

So it translates well to highlights and score updates, which is why the NFL created the "Redzone" channel that skips all the commercials and just flips the game back and forth when playing to the ones that are in the area of touchdowns normally scored (and if there is a super long one that they didn't see they just show a replay of it instead of in realtime). Sometimes it'll have 3 games on the screen at once that are all close to scoring.

That just gives an idea of how fun fantasy football is, the NFL legit made an entire channel about it and it's probably the most popular channel for about 6 months of the year in the USA. And it's only about fantasy football not the actual game lol.
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Re: OT help needed baseball or nfl? 

Post#68 » by bwgood77 » Mon Aug 8, 2022 1:44 am

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bwgood77 wrote:
Ruma85 wrote:
I will give them a look, But i will stick with the engles as vick really started it for me to entertain to watch the sport.


Chargers will be fun this year too. Their offense has been good, their young QB is breaking records, and their defense has really beefed up in the offseason.

As a matter of fact, all AFC West games will be exciting. The Chiefs and Raiders made the playoffs last year, but between the Chargers and Raiders it came down to the final game (actually the final play).

Then the Broncos who already has a tough D and was still good despite being in last, traded for Russell Wilson so that division will be brutal with 2 of the best 5 qbs, and then Wilson who was top 3 a few years back and is still top 8 or so and Carr for the Raiders has become top 12 or so. I am basing these on NFL coach and FO polls. (Mahomes 2nd, Herbert 5th, Wilson 8th, Carr 12th).
He probably wouldn't like the Charges though, Herbert throws it 40+ times per game and OP prefers running QBs.


Yeah, I guess he controls a game as much as Magic, Kobe or LeBron did/do. Throws some beautiful balls though...probably best arm in football...or top 2 or 3 at least. Can run too, but not like some...Jackson, Murray, Mahomes, Hurts, etc. Ekeler is a pretty exciting RB though too.
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Re: OT help needed baseball or nfl? 

Post#69 » by Optms » Mon Aug 8, 2022 1:44 am

Screw the NFL.

Go Baseball. Better personalities. Better game. Better product. More diversity.
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Re: OT help needed baseball or nfl? 

Post#70 » by bwgood77 » Mon Aug 8, 2022 1:47 am

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Ruma85 wrote:
Cactus Jack wrote:I'm pretty sure he means NFL in regards to fantasy.


He mentions MLS that's why i thought his talking about football.


Yeah sorry NFL football. That fantasy football.

It's by far the biggest fantasy sport in the world mainly due to it's low levels of management needed and one day result oriented action lines up really well with the sport. Whereas EPL and such you need to be aware and you might get awards for everything... NFL fantasy is *essentially* did your players score more TDs than the other team that day.

So it translates well to highlights and score updates, which is why the NFL created the "Redzone" channel that skips all the commercials and just flips the game back and forth when playing to the ones that are in the area of touchdowns normally scored (and if there is a super long one that they didn't see they just show a replay of it instead of in realtime). Sometimes it'll have 3 games on the screen at once that are all close to scoring.

That just gives an idea of how fun fantasy football is, the NFL legit made an entire channel about it and it's probably the most popular channel for about 6 months of the year in the USA. And it's only about fantasy football not the actual game lol.


I play fantasy..usually in a bunch of leagues but don't watch for it. Just figure what happens happens. Maybe in a close matchup that is coming down to a last player on a Monday night or something I watch.

But mainly watch because am a die hard Chargers fan and kind of NFL fan in general since I was little. I used to sit down in jr high in class and write out teams in each division and record predictions. They also used to sell these little helmets and pencils for each team I collected lol.
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Re: OT help needed baseball or nfl? 

Post#71 » by Ruma85 » Mon Aug 8, 2022 1:49 am

bwgood77 wrote:
celticfan42487 wrote:
Ruma85 wrote:

He mentions MLS that's why i thought his talking about football.


Yeah sorry NFL football. That fantasy football.

It's by far the biggest fantasy sport in the world mainly due to it's low levels of management needed and one day result oriented action lines up really well with the sport. Whereas EPL and such you need to be aware and you might get awards for everything... NFL fantasy is *essentially* did your players score more TDs than the other team that day.

So it translates well to highlights and score updates, which is why the NFL created the "Redzone" channel that skips all the commercials and just flips the game back and forth when playing to the ones that are in the area of touchdowns normally scored (and if there is a super long one that they didn't see they just show a replay of it instead of in realtime). Sometimes it'll have 3 games on the screen at once that are all close to scoring.

That just gives an idea of how fun fantasy football is, the NFL legit made an entire channel about it and it's probably the most popular channel for about 6 months of the year in the USA. And it's only about fantasy football not the actual game lol.


I play fantasy..usually in a bunch of leagues but don't watch for it. Just figure what happens happens. Maybe in a close matchup that is coming down to a last player on a Monday night or something I watch.

But mainly watch because am a die hard Chargers fan and kind of NFL fan in general since I was little. I used to sit down in jr high in class and write out teams in each division and record predictions. They also used to sell these little helmets and pencils for each team I collected lol.


Hahaha, when I was younger I used to compute trades in my note book for 2k thinking should I pull the trigger is it a fair trade lmao.
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Re: OT help needed baseball or nfl? 

Post#72 » by Ruma85 » Mon Aug 8, 2022 1:50 am

celticfan42487 wrote:
Ruma85 wrote:
Cactus Jack wrote:I'm pretty sure he means NFL in regards to fantasy.


He mentions MLS that's why i thought his talking about football.


Yeah sorry NFL football. That fantasy football.

It's by far the biggest fantasy sport in the world mainly due to it's low levels of management needed and one day result oriented action lines up really well with the sport. Whereas EPL and such you need to be aware and you might get awards for everything... NFL fantasy is *essentially* did your players score more TDs than the other team that day.

So it translates well to highlights and score updates, which is why the NFL created the "Redzone" channel that skips all the commercials and just flips the game back and forth when playing to the ones that are in the area of touchdowns normally scored (and if there is a super long one that they didn't see they just show a replay of it instead of in realtime). Sometimes it'll have 3 games on the screen at once that are all close to scoring.

That just gives an idea of how fun fantasy football is, the NFL legit made an entire channel about it and it's probably the most popular channel for about 6 months of the year in the USA. And it's only about fantasy football not the actual game lol.


Your making it seem you can make money off this?
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Re: OT help needed baseball or nfl? 

Post#73 » by JujitsuFlip » Mon Aug 8, 2022 2:03 am

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bwgood77 wrote:
Chargers will be fun this year too. Their offense has been good, their young QB is breaking records, and their defense has really beefed up in the offseason.

As a matter of fact, all AFC West games will be exciting. The Chiefs and Raiders made the playoffs last year, but between the Chargers and Raiders it came down to the final game (actually the final play).

Then the Broncos who already has a tough D and was still good despite being in last, traded for Russell Wilson so that division will be brutal with 2 of the best 5 qbs, and then Wilson who was top 3 a few years back and is still top 8 or so and Carr for the Raiders has become top 12 or so. I am basing these on NFL coach and FO polls. (Mahomes 2nd, Herbert 5th, Wilson 8th, Carr 12th).
He probably wouldn't like the Charges though, Herbert throws it 40+ times per game and OP prefers running QBs.


Yeah, I guess he controls a game as much as Magic, Kobe or LeBron did/do. Throws some beautiful balls though...probably best arm in football...or top 2 or 3 at least. Can run too, but not like some...Jackson, Murray, Mahomes, Hurts, etc. Ekeler is a pretty exciting RB though too.
They're in a meat grinder division, as you mentioned but all the defensive help they added makes it interesting. Chargers were on the cusp of the playoffs the past 2 seasons.
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Re: OT help needed baseball or nfl? 

Post#74 » by xdrta+ » Mon Aug 8, 2022 2:03 am

Ruma85 wrote:
celticfan42487 wrote:
Ruma85 wrote:

He mentions MLS that's why i thought his talking about football.


Yeah sorry NFL football. That fantasy football.

It's by far the biggest fantasy sport in the world mainly due to it's low levels of management needed and one day result oriented action lines up really well with the sport. Whereas EPL and such you need to be aware and you might get awards for everything... NFL fantasy is *essentially* did your players score more TDs than the other team that day.

So it translates well to highlights and score updates, which is why the NFL created the "Redzone" channel that skips all the commercials and just flips the game back and forth when playing to the ones that are in the area of touchdowns normally scored (and if there is a super long one that they didn't see they just show a replay of it instead of in realtime). Sometimes it'll have 3 games on the screen at once that are all close to scoring.

That just gives an idea of how fun fantasy football is, the NFL legit made an entire channel about it and it's probably the most popular channel for about 6 months of the year in the USA. And it's only about fantasy football not the actual game lol.


Your making it seem you can make money off this?


You can make money off any sport. All you have to do is pick winners. :nod:
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Re: OT help needed baseball or nfl? 

Post#75 » by zero2hero » Mon Aug 8, 2022 2:10 am

Baseball is way more fulfilling for the hardcore fan imo. The presentation, mainstream analysis, etc is just on another level than mainstream NFL however NFL is better for the casual watch if you just want to watch some entertaining stuff. You can still be a hardcore football fan though just pray you choose a good team because if you don't have a good QB you almost have no shot to ever be successful
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Post#76 » by Raps in 4 » Mon Aug 8, 2022 2:13 am

I like baseball a lot more.

Football has way too much downtime for my liking. But then, Toronto also doesn't have an NFL team so I'm not as invested in the sport.
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Re: OT help needed baseball or nfl? 

Post#77 » by Cactus Jack » Mon Aug 8, 2022 2:18 am

zero2hero wrote:Baseball is way more fulfilling for the hardcore fan imo. The presentation, mainstream analysis, etc is just on another level than mainstream NFL however NFL is better for the casual watch if you just want to watch some entertaining stuff. You can still be a hardcore football fan though just pray you choose a good team because if you don't have a good QB you almost have no shot to ever be successful

I'm sure having Daniel Snyder as your owner doesn't help either. :wink:

Unless you're a fan of a big market club, then the odds are stacked against you in Baseball without a true salary cap. It's the one thing that has always bugged me about the sport. Teams like the Yankees & Dodgers will always have a much higher payroll than the vast majority of teams.

The NFL has a level playing field. You take out the Homerun in Baseball & Football from a viewing perspective is just way more exciting. Hard hits, and freakishly skilled athletes.
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Re: OT help needed baseball or nfl? 

Post#78 » by Cactus Jack » Mon Aug 8, 2022 2:56 am

Raps in 4 wrote:I like baseball a lot more.

Football has way too much downtime for my liking. But then, Toronto also doesn't have an NFL team so I'm not as invested in the sport.

It's less than 2 Hours to Buffalo. Basically in your backyard. Plus the Bills are a very fun team. I've had this same conversation with another fan from Toronto lol.
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Post#79 » by SichtingLives » Mon Aug 8, 2022 3:09 am

If you don't know the difference between a fastball, slider, split or change-up, you likely won't get baseball and it will put you to sleep. It is a sport that is entirely contingent on understanding the chess match between pitcher and batter, thats 90% of the sport. And even if you do get that, it could still bore you to tears. But baseball culture as a fan is not about excitement it's about atmosphere. it is not required that you be dialed in for every pitch or every game, and you probably shouldn't be. It's great background fare when you're dicking around on the internet or chilling in your living room with your wife or friends or your stuffed animals on a hot summer night. It's basically like a familiar companion. I personally enjoy talking **** at all the .220 hitting scrubs, of which there are a lot of this year. And for all the lulls in action, the excitement and interest level are going to spike up in more games than not, especially in later innings, which makes it that much more exciting when something actually does happen. The whole thing about enjoying a baseball game is you're basically hanging out with the broadcasters and the backdrop of the game provides for longrunning conversations about ball and everything else. It's not a sport that is meant to be consumed by adrenaline seeking spectators.

The live game is a different animal because there's more of a carnival energy in the air. I saw a Jays/Phillies spring training game in Clearwater the year after they played in the world series. The game was ok but in the 6th inning there was a guy wearing a Jays uni in a sea of Philly fans down by the 3rd base dugout. An osprey that was perched in a nest on a light tower flew overhead and unloaded a massive deuce all over the Jays fan. It was amazing. The crowd went absolutely bonkers. This is what baseball is all about. The side stories. The people watching. It's the only sport that is custom geared towards old fashioned, crowd appreciated intelligent heckling. Snacking on nachos and talking nonsense until you turn away right quick to watch a dancing with the stars ad and get cranked off the shoulder with a foul ball. Or watching a kid and a 47 year old man in team hat and jersey scurrying towards a foul ball, the old man always wins, maybe even rips it out the kids hands, and hoists the ball up in victory as the child bursts into tears. lol gets me every time.

Football has never interested me. I find it boring. Maybe because I don't understand all the nuances of the sport and I hate the constant stop start stop nature of it. But most people love it. Idk got to just figure it out for yourself.
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Re: OT help needed baseball or nfl? 

Post#80 » by Cactus Jack » Mon Aug 8, 2022 3:44 am

bwgood77 wrote:Then the Broncos who already has a tough D and was still good despite being in last, traded for Russell Wilson so that division will be brutal with 2 of the best 5 qbs, and then Wilson who was top 3 a few years back and is still top 8 or so and Carr for the Raiders has become top 12 or so. I am basing these on NFL coach and FO polls. (Mahomes 2nd, Herbert 5th, Wilson 8th, Carr 12th).

Now that he's in Denver, I can reveal the truth.

Spoiler: He was never top 3. He's not top 8 currently.

His play has been wayyyyyy too inconsistent over the years. That's mainly due to his style of play. He honestly was more frustrating to watch as a fan. Sure, he can pull off some crazy plays. But my biggest frustration with Russ over the years and why I believe his progression has fallen off. He wouldn’t make the intermediate throws underneath and often avoided the middle of the field. He gets in trouble by often relying too much on trying to make the big play down field. Even when the opposing defense has forced him to make adjustments to his game. It's no secret that he has often struggled against schemes that implement more Cover 2 in the past.

Anyways...I had to get that off my chest.
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