What would you give up for Trae?

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Re: What would you give up for Trae? 

Post#61 » by SelfishPlayer » Sun Sep 11, 2022 6:59 pm

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SelfishPlayer wrote:He is worth more than all of the recently traded guys.

Even Rudy Gobert? /s


Is that a serious question? I didn't make that statement as some kind of great revelation. Trae is a superstar and has finally become arguably a better offensive player than Doncic.
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Re: What would you give up for Trae? 

Post#62 » by Jamaaliver » Sun Sep 11, 2022 7:03 pm

Lockdown504090 wrote:While I agree with you, the question is, how do we beat teams that are playing 5 two way players in a series like the warriors or Celtics if trae young has to play 40 minutes



Steph Curry and Jordan Poole are now considered Two-Way Players?!?


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Re: What would you give up for Trae? 

Post#63 » by Duffman100 » Sun Sep 11, 2022 7:05 pm

Anything but Barnes.
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Re: What would you give up for Trae? 

Post#64 » by Vampirate » Sun Sep 11, 2022 7:05 pm

He needs the right team around him and this current Hawks team isn't it.

There's no trade that the Hawks would accept that the Raptors would give up.

Superstars, no matter how flawed they are are basically untradeable until the final year of their contract when they are about to hit UFA.
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Re: What would you give up for Trae? 

Post#65 » by Lockdown504090 » Sun Sep 11, 2022 8:04 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:
Lockdown504090 wrote:While I agree with you, the question is, how do we beat teams that are playing 5 two way players in a series like the warriors or Celtics if trae young has to play 40 minutes



Steph Curry and Jordan Poole are now considered Two-Way Players?!?


:confused:

If you wanna make a comparison between curry and trae defensively id love to hear it. What can trae do at a similar level to steph on that end?
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Re: What would you give up for Trae? 

Post#66 » by Jamaaliver » Sun Sep 11, 2022 8:37 pm

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Lockdown504090 wrote:While I agree with you, the question is, how do we beat teams that are playing 5 two way players in a series like the warriors or Celtics if trae young has to play 40 minutes



Steph Curry and Jordan Poole are now considered Two-Way Players?!?


:confused:

If you wanna make a comparison between curry and trae defensively id love to hear it. What can trae do at a similar level to steph on that end?


Steph Curry is a surefire 1st ballot Hall of Famer.

A 2x MVP
An 8x All NBA Selection
A 4x NBA Champion

None of those accomplishments are due to his defense. They are because Steph Curry is an elite offensive weapon.

Trae Young is also an elite offensive weapon.
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Trae simply needs a team of strong defenders flanking him to maximize his effect. The same as Steph has.
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Re: What would you give up for Trae? 

Post#67 » by JnewFTW » Sun Sep 11, 2022 8:44 pm

I think I'd be willing to part ways with Duncan Robinson for him.
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Re: What would you give up for Trae? 

Post#68 » by Bobbymcgee » Sun Sep 11, 2022 9:44 pm

Hawks trade: Trae Young

Clippers trade: Marcus Morris Sr. / Luke Kennard / Terrance Mann

Trade successful!
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Re: What would you give up for Trae? 

Post#69 » by CraftylikeaFox » Sun Sep 11, 2022 10:10 pm

It's like everyone who likes Luka thinks they need to hate Trae. I'd take Luka over Trae 10/10 times but I'd still be willing to give the Hawks any combo of players and picks from the Kings that they wanted.
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Re: What would you give up for Trae? 

Post#70 » by rapstarter » Sun Sep 11, 2022 10:13 pm

cupcakesnake wrote:Trae is probably a top 5 source of offense. He has the best combination of shooting and passing sine Steve Nash. He's better offensively than all these other small guards (Mitchell, SGA, Booker, Ja, we'll see if Lillard bounces back), even if he is worse than all of them defensively. Atlanta was the #2 offense despite both their starting forwards missing half the season.

Yes he had 1 catastrophic playoff series against Miami. But our memories are capable of more than a couple months. Trae played very well in 2021, taking Atlanta all the way to the conference finals. He has 3 very good playoff series and 1 total dud.


He had some great moments especially against the Knicks, but he's not been that good in the playoffs - definitely nothing close to a top 5 offensive player. You then add his problematic defense, and you start to really worry.
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Re: What would you give up for Trae? 

Post#71 » by ShootersShoot » Sun Sep 11, 2022 11:10 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:
Lockdown504090 wrote:
Jamaaliver wrote:

Steph Curry and Jordan Poole are now considered Two-Way Players?!?


:confused:

If you wanna make a comparison between curry and trae defensively id love to hear it. What can trae do at a similar level to steph on that end?


Steph Curry is a surefire 1st ballot Hall of Famer.

A 2x MVP
An 8x All NBA Selection
A 4x NBA Champion

None of those accomplishments are due to his defense. They are because Steph Curry is an elite offensive weapon.

Trae Young is also an elite offensive weapon.
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Read on Twitter
Trae simply needs a team of strong defenders flanking him to maximize his effect. The same as Steph has.


There is a difference between being solid defensively and below average. Steph is solid for his position. In the same way that teams try to play certain bigs off the floor in crunch time, the same applies to trae except the hawks cannot afford to remove him from the court. Teams try to hunt steph all the time but he holds his own way better than trae.
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Re: What would you give up for Trae? 

Post#72 » by Duffman100 » Sun Sep 11, 2022 11:22 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:
Lockdown504090 wrote:
Jamaaliver wrote:

Steph Curry and Jordan Poole are now considered Two-Way Players?!?


:confused:

If you wanna make a comparison between curry and trae defensively id love to hear it. What can trae do at a similar level to steph on that end?


Steph Curry is a surefire 1st ballot Hall of Famer.

A 2x MVP
An 8x All NBA Selection
A 4x NBA Champion

None of those accomplishments are due to his defense. They are because Steph Curry is an elite offensive weapon.

Trae Young is also an elite offensive weapon.
Spoiler:
Read on Twitter
Trae simply needs a team of strong defenders flanking him to maximize his effect. The same as Steph has.


Steph throughout his career has been a much better defender than Trae. And that isn't saying Steph is a good defensive player.. he isn't. That's just how awful Trae has been thus far.

I still think Trae's offense keeps him in the top 15 players in the league. That's just how good on offense he is.

But if Trae wants to be the #1 guy on a championship team, he needs to find a way to become passable on defense.
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Re: What would you give up for Trae? 

Post#73 » by lonzo_pelota » Sun Sep 11, 2022 11:30 pm

OrangeBlueSkies wrote:
lonzo_pelota wrote:id give up westbrook, Austin Reeves and three 1st & 2 swaps



You don’t have three firsts to give up , genius.



how many do we have orangeskies?
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Re: What would you give up for Trae? 

Post#74 » by sp6r=underrated » Sun Sep 11, 2022 11:44 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:
Lockdown504090 wrote:While I agree with you, the question is, how do we beat teams that are playing 5 two way players in a series like the warriors or Celtics if trae young has to play 40 minutes



Steph Curry and Jordan Poole are now considered Two-Way Players?!?


:confused:


Steph has been a positive player on defense for the majority of his career. I don't understand why you pretend Trae is similar to Steph on defense. Through no fault of his own Trae is basically incapable of being anything but a liability on the defensive end. He's tiny and physically weak. There isn't anything he can do.
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Re: What would you give up for Trae? 

Post#75 » by sp6r=underrated » Sun Sep 11, 2022 11:47 pm

Duffman100 wrote:
Jamaaliver wrote:
Lockdown504090 wrote:If you wanna make a comparison between curry and trae defensively id love to hear it. What can trae do at a similar level to steph on that end?


Steph Curry is a surefire 1st ballot Hall of Famer.

A 2x MVP
An 8x All NBA Selection
A 4x NBA Champion

None of those accomplishments are due to his defense. They are because Steph Curry is an elite offensive weapon.

Trae Young is also an elite offensive weapon.
Spoiler:
Read on Twitter
Trae simply needs a team of strong defenders flanking him to maximize his effect. The same as Steph has.


Steph throughout his career has been a much better defender than Trae. And that isn't saying Steph is a good defensive player.. he isn't. That's just how awful Trae has been thus far.

I still think Trae's offense keeps him in the top 15 players in the league. That's just how good on offense he is.

But if Trae wants to be the #1 guy on a championship team, he needs to find a way to become passable on defense.


Steph was a good defender and is still solid to this day. He's very strong, good at positioning and puts in effort.
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Re: What would you give up for Trae? 

Post#76 » by Jamaaliver » Sun Sep 11, 2022 11:54 pm

rapstarter wrote:He had some great moments especially against the Knicks, but he's not been that good in the playoffs - definitely nothing close to a top 5 offensive player. You then add his problematic defense, and you start to really worry.


Trae's last 5 playoff games were dreadful. But let's not pretend the first 16+ playoff games weren't pretty phenomenal. He produced against the Bucks, 76ers and Knicks...at an historic level.

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Re: What would you give up for Trae? 

Post#77 » by sp6r=underrated » Sun Sep 11, 2022 11:57 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:
rapstarter wrote:He had some great moments especially against the Knicks, but he's not been that good in the playoffs - definitely nothing close to a top 5 offensive player. You then add his problematic defense, and you start to really worry.


Trae's last 5 playoff games were dreadful. But let's not pretend the first 16+ playoff games weren't pretty phenomenal. He produced against the Bucks, 76ers and Knicks...at an historic level.

Read on Twitter


I agree people writing Trae off based on one dreadful series are making a mistake. Dude has elite skills and has played at a high level in other series. But you can't just write off that series either. If you take the average of all his post-season games, he's been basically the same as the RS from 2021/2022 as the PS. And that's fine.
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Re: What would you give up for Trae? 

Post#78 » by Duffman100 » Sun Sep 11, 2022 11:59 pm

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Duffman100 wrote:
Jamaaliver wrote:
Steph Curry is a surefire 1st ballot Hall of Famer.

A 2x MVP
An 8x All NBA Selection
A 4x NBA Champion

None of those accomplishments are due to his defense. They are because Steph Curry is an elite offensive weapon.

Trae Young is also an elite offensive weapon.
Spoiler:
Read on Twitter
Trae simply needs a team of strong defenders flanking him to maximize his effect. The same as Steph has.


Steph throughout his career has been a much better defender than Trae. And that isn't saying Steph is a good defensive player.. he isn't. That's just how awful Trae has been thus far.

I still think Trae's offense keeps him in the top 15 players in the league. That's just how good on offense he is.

But if Trae wants to be the #1 guy on a championship team, he needs to find a way to become passable on defense.


Steph was a good defender and is still solid to this day. He's very strong, good at positioning and puts in effort.


I always viewed Steph as like league average.
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Re: What would you give up for Trae? 

Post#79 » by wco81 » Mon Sep 12, 2022 12:05 am

Jamaaliver wrote:Trae simply needs a team of strong defenders flanking him to maximize his effect. The same as Steph has.



Well not so simple or else the Hawks would have done it.

Should be interesting with Murray, if he has strong defense year with steals and such, whether that improves outcomes for the Hawks.

Trae's only 23. So we should have a big enough sample size in 3-4 seasons whether his game works in the playoffs.

It certainly did in his first playoffs appearance. But not so much in the second playoffs appearance.
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Re: What would you give up for Trae? 

Post#80 » by MrGoat » Mon Sep 12, 2022 12:42 am

The no repackaging rule is kind of a dealbreaker for trading him to the Mavs. The Hawks could pretty much have anything but Luka for him if he could be repackaged but there are obvious issues with pairing him with Luka
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