If you could re do the Cade, Green and Mobley draft would you go differently

[hoosierdaddy34]

Said Mobley should have gone #1 then, would take him #1now. And it’s not really close.

[DCasey91]

I don’t get the Cade hype still. Dude is Steve Smith/Old Hill more than anything else.

College shooting was basic five hourglass points and had problems with his handle. High IQ guy yes but he isn’t as skilful as people make him out to be

Mobley will probably not get to Duncan level or even Garnett levels of offence but my word if his defence gets to that as the ATG’s in the past the Cavs are going to contend for a long long time.

Celtics won a chip with Garnett as the vocal point on defence with shooters and scorers around him and can definitely see the same thing happening with Mobley that’s how high I rate the kid.

[TheLand13]

He also said (unironically) that Paul Reed is one of the most versatile defenders in the NBA.

Probably the best part about all of this is that he thinks a 25 PPG player is automatically more valuable than a generational defensive player who has showcased a lot of offensive potential.

Jaren Jackson Jr is his ceiling. That's just... an unbelievably stupid statement to make.

Look at how long ive been here.

Ive seen it before.

Let’s just bring up this topic after 3 years and see how Cade and Jaden’s career panned out compared to Mobley.

If im wrong, i’ll admit it ive made mistakes before and learned from it. I dont mind adding another one and learning from it again.

I could care less how long you've been here.

You just said that Jaren Jackson Jr is Evan Mobley's ceiling.

Jaren Jackson Jr. A 23 year old in his fourth (fifth but who's counting?) season in the league. You are saying that the guy who was second in ROY voting last season, has shown great strides this year and just locked up Joel Embiid... that's his ceiling.

We don't need to give it three years. You're already wrong.

no one has won a championship with a 1st option as a big the last 10 years.

[DCasey91]

I don’t think JJJ and Mobley is a good comparison at all and I rated JJJ super highly. In College he looked like a monster defensively but the numbers between the eyes told a different story. Also durability consideration and it’s not close

Mobley’s been ranked comfortably inside the top 20 on general defensive stuff like dtrg, dpm.

Casuals would say Allen but then I know you haven’t watched him play and just look at box score.

Also why would Raps fans say Barnes is the most versatile defender when Mobley is literally Garnett versatile on defence that cannot be topped. Green/Giannis are the only two with that type of versatility and all 3 bring in the highest impact defensively.

[JonFromVA]

I don’t get the Cade hype still. Dude is Steve Smith/Old Hill more than anything else.

College shooting was basic five hourglass points and had problems with his handle. High IQ guy yes but he isn’t as skilful as people make him out to be

Mobley will probably not get to Duncan level or even Garnett levels of offence but my word if his defence gets to that as the ATG’s in the past the Cavs are going to contend for a long long time.

Celtics won a chip with Garnett as the vocal point on defence with shooters and scorers around him and can definitely see the same thing happening with Mobley that’s how high I rate the kid.

To be precise, Garnett won that championship with Pierce and Allen around him who at their age were beating opponents with skill, smarts & shooting. Not a high bar for any of our wings if they want it and work on it.

[QingJames]

I don’t think JJJ and Mobley is a good comparison at all and I rated JJJ super highly. In College he looked like a monster defensively but the numbers between the eyes told a different story. Also durability consideration and it’s not close

Mobley’s been ranked comfortably inside the top 20 on general defensive stuff like dtrg, dpm.

Casuals would say Allen but then I know you haven’t watched him play and just look at box score.

Also why would Raps fans say Barnes is the most versatile defender when Mobley is literally Garnett versatile on defence that cannot be topped. Green/Giannis are the only two with that type of versatility and all 3 bring in the highest impact defensively.

No he isn't lmao.

[wegotthabeet]

Probably the best part about all of this is that he thinks a 25 PPG player is automatically more valuable than a generational defensive player who has showcased a lot of offensive potential.

Jaren Jackson Jr is his ceiling. That's just... an unbelievably stupid statement to make.

Look at how long ive been here.

Ive seen it before.

Let’s just bring up this topic after 3 years and see how Cade and Jaden’s career panned out compared to Mobley.

If im wrong, i’ll admit it ive made mistakes before and learned from it. I dont mind adding another one and learning from it again.

I couldn't care less how long you've been here.

ftfy

[phanman]

I'd go:

1) Mobley;
2) Franz
3) Barnes
4) Cade
5) Green

Mobley imo is far ahead of everyone else in the draft class, but we do need to slow our roll on him being this legendary all time great on defense. He is good, but he isn't KG/Duncan level at all. Allen is the Cavs true defensive anchor and Mobley benefits greatly from having someone like him downlow. What is surprising is the fact that he is sporting a -17.8 on/off this season with the Cavs better on both ends of the floor with him on the bench. What is shocking is his 112.9DRTG on vs 99.9 off.

I think is Franz is heavily underrated and the guy can just flat out score. He's got a ton of moves, can stretch the floor and great size for a wing.

What I do find funny is everybody calling Green an inefficient chucker yet he sports better shooting percentages then Cade putting up:

Green: 21.3pts & 4ast on a 42/34/79 split on a respectable 54.7%TS (22.8pts & 5.1ast on 47/34/80 or 60.2%TS since November)

Cade:19.9pts & 6ast on 41/28/84 and 49.2%TS

[TheLand13]

I've commented on the really bad JJ/Mobley comparison but I've never really addressed the OP. So I'm going to do that, because my thoughts are actually quite different from everyone else's.

A lot of people here have stated that they would have picked Evan Mobley first. And that's perfectly fair, because at this point, all signs are pointing to him being the best player of the draft. However, we have to keep in mind who the teams were and what they were looking for at the time and what the players have turned into thus far.

I've heavily criticized what iciology has said. But the thing is, there is some truth to what he's saying. Not the JJ/Mobley part, there's no truth to that part whatsoever. But... well, let me go over the players first.

As a few here have mentioned, it is looking like Cade and Green are looking like for sure things. Green's having a nice sophomore season, and although Cade's having an up and down season, things have been on track for him too.

With that in mind, we need to understand what kind of team Detroit was at the time and what their goals were. They didn't really have anyone who could run their offense at the time and control the games. They had what they felt was the perfect player to do that in Cade Cunningham. And now they have it. Sure they could have went with Evan Mobley instead, but a much bigger hole was there that needed to be filled. I doubt they're ever going to get a talent like Mobley to put at the PF/C positions, but at that point it's about what areas you think need to be prioritized first. Based on the roster and how it was constructed at the time, Detroit more than likely felt that the better option for them was to focus on finding a potential superstar caliber point guard.

On that aspect alone, I don't think Detroit made the wrong choice in drafting Cade over Mobley. As I said before, Mobley is looking like he's going to be the better player, but that doesn't necessarily mean Detroit would have benefited from drafting him more per say. Cade's doing good enough to the point where drafting him was at least warranted. If Cade can become a superstar caliber player, then it doesn't matter whether or not Mobley turned out to be better. On that aspect alone, Detroit will have made the right choice. And right now, it's too early to say whether or not that's going to be the case.

The same thing holds true with Houston. Jalen Green has shown improvement this year, and if he can continue to build off of that, then I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing that Houston went with him instead of Mobley. Not to mention, not having Mobley has allowed Sengun to emerge as one of Houston's cornerstone pieces. That doesn't mean he'll be better than Mobley, nor is that the point. What matters is whether or not something can at least be built off of to create a potential contender in the future. Like Detroit (even though they have a lot more work to do), Green/Sengun is something you can definitely build off of they continue to make strides in their development and you build properly around them.

Now we get to... Evan Mobley and Scottie Barnes.

This is an interesting situation, because last season, as we all know, Scottie Barnes won ROY. And rightfully so. He out played Mobley in the second half of the season by a pretty significant margin, to the point where, as I said, Mobley no longer had an argument over him for ROY. And thus, all eyes were on Barnes to continue to make strides and take that next step. The only thing is... he hasn't really done that. Scottie Barnes numbers across the board are down this season. Hell even his efficiency is a lot worse. Unlike the other three, he hasn't really shown any improvements to his game (and please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong on the matter Raptors fans). I'm sure he'll get better, but right now, his sophomore year being worse so far is pretty telling.

I'm pointing this out because there was a time when I stated that although I am incredibly happy with having Mobley on the team, I felt it would be better for both parties if the Cavs and Raptors swapped their players, so Toronto got Mobley and Cleveland got Barnes. But now I no longer feel that's the case. And that's not just because of how poor Barnes has been this year, but it's also because of how good Mobley has been. People are going to look at the numbers, see that it's similar to last seasons, and thus think that he's not making much strides. But that's simply not the case. His PPG may literally be the same, but we have to keep in mind that this is a Cleveland team that now has Donovan Mitchell on it. Mobley being able to keep that 15 PPG average going while having a much better FG% from the field is actually a really great thing to see. And not to mention, his rebounding has been very good this year (he's actually averaging a double double for the month of November), his defense has been better, and he's just demonstrating a better all around feel for the game. And the biggest thing is... he hasn't lost sight of the teams goals. He's continuing to just play within the system and he understands that sometimes, he's not going to be the one getting much touches and the rebounding opportunities will not always be there. He's committed to winning and that's what matters most.

So basically, my point in this rambling is... I still think the right draft choices were made, but for reasons that people aren't taking into account. I recognize that Mobley is more than likely going to be the best player of this draft. Hell, I'm confident that's going to be the case. But I also think that despite that, Detroit and Houston have both found themselves in situations where having their respective picks ultimately favors them. Green/Sengun can be a potential all star caliber duo in the future and there's so much you can do to build around Cunningham, who has demonstrated that he's capable of being a superstar player in the future. I think every team has a reason to be extremely happy with how their players have turned out so far, and quite frankly, I don't think any of them regret their draft choices, or are wishing that they would have gotten player A or player B, etc.

[big-shot-ROB]

no one has won a championship with a 1st option as a big the last 10 years.

Did you just prove my point? LOL. Giannis game is closer to LeBron, Kawhi and Durant than to Mobley. He's big, but doesn't play as a big. He's the archetype of scoring+playmaking forward I was just talking about.

[TheLand13]

Mobley imo is far ahead of everyone else in the draft class, but we do need to slow our roll on him being this legendary all time great on defense. He is good, but he isn't KG/Duncan level at all. Allen is the Cavs true defensive anchor and Mobley benefits greatly from having someone like him downlow.

Normally I'd agree with this point, but we just saw Evan Mobley severely limit Joel Embiid's offensive production. This is important to point out because last season, Jarrett Allen not only didn't do this, but he was dominated every time Embiid went up against him. Hell, I think the last time Embiid played against him, he had a 41 point performance on him and had a highlight reel dunk on him.

Evan Mobley on the other hand, in just his second season, limited Embiid to below 20 points for the first time this season. Embiid was held to a low shooting percentage from the field. He could not for the life of him get to the line as regularly as he would against other opposing teams. And just an FYI: Allen didn't even play in this game.

I'm going to say this: I definitely agree that Allen is the defensive anchor. And I definitely agree that both players benefit greatly from each other. But at this point, with some of the defensive performances Mobley has already had this season, it's clear that he's continuing to make strides at that end and the potential is out of this world. I'm not going to say that Mobley is better than Allen at that floor yet, but what I will say is that it's taking a lot less time than I thought for us to get to the point where Mobley can be that defensive anchor without Allen.

With that said, Cleveland should never split up this duo and they should ride and die with it until the end.

I don’t think JJJ and Mobley is a good comparison at all and I rated JJJ super highly. In College he looked like a monster defensively but the numbers between the eyes told a different story. Also durability consideration and it’s not close

Mobley’s been ranked comfortably inside the top 20 on general defensive stuff like dtrg, dpm.

Casuals would say Allen but then I know you haven’t watched him play and just look at box score.

Also why would Raps fans say Barnes is the most versatile defender when Mobley is literally Garnett versatile on defence that cannot be topped. Green/Giannis are the only two with that type of versatility and all 3 bring in the highest impact defensively.

No he isn't lmao.

Um, yeah he is.

[tarantism]

Kuminga
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Mobley
Franz
Cade
Barnes
Green

Kidding. But the bottom five is my actual ranking thus far.

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[Yoshun]

I think it's worth noting that Mobley is doing what he's doing on a pretty good team (3rd in the East), and he's a big part of the reason why they're pretty good. There aren't too many teams in the league where Mobley wouldn't get significant playing time.

[yoyoboy]

What is surprising is the fact that he is sporting a -17.8 on/off this season with the Cavs better on both ends of the floor with him on the bench. What is shocking is his 112.9DRTG on vs 99.9 off.

Yeah it’s really unfortunate opponent shooting luck working against him right now. Teams are shooting 27.1% from 3 when Mobley is off the court and then 40.4% from 3 when Mobley is on the court. So it’s causing a huge chasm in his DRTG on-off. With a bigger sample size, those figures should regress to the mean.

[toooskies]

no one has won a championship with a 1st option as a big the last 10 years.

Did you just prove my point? LOL. Giannis game is closer to LeBron, Kawhi and Durant than to Mobley. He's big, but doesn't play as a big. He's the archetype of scoring+playmaking forward I was just talking about.

Well if you reclassify every 7-footer who's a first option as a wing then yes, no bigs are 1st options. LeBron, KD, and Giannis have all played every position on the floor in their careers. They have every skill-- they are bigs, they are point guards, and that versatility makes them nominally wings. Mobley's off the dribble game isn't polished yet, but there's potential there, and if he develops it, you'll just reclassify him as a big wing, yes?

[rocketsfan100]

I think it's worth noting that Mobley is doing what he's doing on a pretty good team (3rd in the East), and he's a big part of the reason why they're pretty good. There aren't too many teams in the league where Mobley wouldn't get significant playing time.

Yes

[KGtabake]

Mobley.
If someone reminds you in any way a young Giannis then the choice is obvious.
Cade and Barnes will be great too but Mobley is designed for other things.

[TheLand13]

no one has won a championship with a 1st option as a big the last 10 years.

Did you just prove my point? LOL. Giannis game is closer to LeBron, Kawhi and Durant than to Mobley. He's big, but doesn't play as a big. He's the archetype of scoring+playmaking forward I was just talking about.

No, I just proved why you're wrong. And now you just made it worse for yourself.

First off, Giannis is a big. He's 7 ft and relies heavily on attacking the paint, and a lot of his success comes from his ability to be physically dominant. How the hell is that not a big? What, because he scores a lot of points and is a great playmaker, that suddenly means he's not a big? That doesn't make any sense. I guess Wilt and Hakeem weren't bigs either, right?

Second, going off the previous point, that is nothing like how Kawhi and Durant play. Both are crafty players with great length and insane shooting mechanics combined with incredibly skilled foot work and ball control. Again, this is nothing like Giannis. Yes he has great length and footwork but the roots of his production comes from charging at the rim without any regard for who is in front of him. I feel like all you did there was just compare their scoring and assist numbers and conclude that Giannis plays like them. No, that's not the case. I don't deny that similarities are there with LeBron. But Giannis is definitely a lot closer to how Mobley plays on offense to how Kawhi and Durant play. To state otherwise is just flat out wrong.

Third why are you so confident that Mobley, a 21 year old in his second season, can't be the first option on a championship winning team? Let's go back to Giannis for a second... do you understand what type of player Giannis was at the age of 21? Mobley at that age is already very far ahead of him as far as being offensively skilled is concerned. Let's say that Mobley continues to develop and becomes an incredibly elite scorer on top of (most likely) being one of, if not the best defensive player in the NBA. Depending on when that happens, he could be on a team that features Darius Garland, Donovan Mitchell and Jarrett Allen. All three of these men have already been all stars as of today. You're telling me that's not a championship team if Mobley is their number one option and has developed into an elite offensive player because he's a big? That spits in the face of logic.

Fourth, the whole idea that a "big can't be the number one option on a championship team" is idiotic in of itself, but your reasoning for why is even worse. We haven't seen a championship team with one as their number one option in the past ten years? So what? Even if that were the case (which, as I just proved, it's not), there is this thing called context and it's extremely important. In the past ten years, we've been living in the primes of two top ten all time greats in LeBron James and Steph Curry, who were on some of the best teams they've ever had in their careers. A big not being a number one option on a championship winning team during that time frame doesn't mean anything at all. It's just an incredibly lazy explanation for an incredibly bad take. That would be like me saying that the guy who took one three pointer in his entire career, made it, and had a perfect shooting percentage, was the greatest three point shooter of all time. My reasoning for it is just unjustifiable and no thought was put into it.

In other words, your entire point makes no sense, and I doubt you gave any actual thought to it.

[MrBigShot]

Looking at it objectively it's hard to argue with Mobley, but I'm taking cade first anyway. The feel for the game to be a superstar is there. But he straight up has to become a better 3pt shooter and get to the line more.

[Adam Stern]

I can't help but believe a lot of you make hasty judgments and desperately cling to them, facts be damned.
And a some of you talk about players you clearly haven't watched, the overrating of Barnes and underrating of Green speaks directly to that.

In a redraft, assuming the order stays the same, I could easily see:

Mobley
Green
Wagner
Cunningham
Giddey
Barnes