Grayson Allen: NBA's dirtiest player?

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Re: Grayson Allen: NBA's dirtiest player? 

Post#61 » by DarkXaero » Sat Jan 7, 2023 11:54 pm

QingJames wrote:Giannis is absolutely a reckless player and his closeouts are often very dangerous for the shooter.



He WILL Zaza someone someday. Refs need to reign in this behaviour.
Media and fans' darling though, so you're not allowed to talk negatively about him.
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Post#62 » by Mk0 » Sun Jan 8, 2023 12:56 am

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Post#63 » by Optms » Sun Jan 8, 2023 1:21 am

MagicMatic wrote:I love watching people cry in these threads 3x a season. League is soft af now.

There are other dirty players. Grayson just gets multiple threads.


Scrubs like Grayson would get clothesline back in the day for their dirty conduct. Too bad players cannot retaliate nowadays. Soft ineed.
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Post#64 » by VFX » Sun Jan 8, 2023 1:24 am

Optms wrote:
MagicMatic wrote:I love watching people cry in these threads 3x a season. League is soft af now.

There are other dirty players. Grayson just gets multiple threads.


Scrubs like Grayson would get clothesline back in the day for their dirty conduct. Too bad players cannot retaliate nowadays. Soft ineed.


You call Grayson dirty but probably loved Killian punching a dude in the back of the head by the sound of it.
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Post#65 » by Optms » Sun Jan 8, 2023 1:25 am

MagicMatic wrote:
Optms wrote:
MagicMatic wrote:I love watching people cry in these threads 3x a season. League is soft af now.

There are other dirty players. Grayson just gets multiple threads.


Scrubs like Grayson would get clothesline back in the day for their dirty conduct. Too bad players cannot retaliate nowadays. Soft ineed.


You call Grayson dirty but probably loved Killian punching a dude in the back of the head by the sound of it.


One dirty play deserves another. What goes around, comes around.
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Post#66 » by VFX » Sun Jan 8, 2023 1:26 am

Optms wrote:
MagicMatic wrote:
Optms wrote:
Scrubs like Grayson would get clothesline back in the day for their dirty conduct. Too bad players cannot retaliate nowadays. Soft ineed.


You call Grayson dirty but probably loved Killian punching a dude in the back of the head by the sound of it.


One dirty play deserves another. What goes around, comes around.


Hypocrite as expected
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Post#67 » by Optms » Sun Jan 8, 2023 1:27 am

MagicMatic wrote:
Optms wrote:
MagicMatic wrote:
You call Grayson dirty but probably loved Killian punching a dude in the back of the head by the sound of it.


One dirty play deserves another. What goes around, comes around.


Hypocrite as expected


Nope. You just don't want these dirty players getting back what they dish out. Why are you protecting these scum plays that cause potential injuries?
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Re: Grayson Allen: NBA's dirtiest player? 

Post#68 » by VFX » Sun Jan 8, 2023 1:32 am

Optms wrote:
MagicMatic wrote:
Optms wrote:
One dirty play deserves another. What goes around, comes around.


Hypocrite as expected


Nope. You just don't want these dirty players getting back what they dish out. Why are you protecting these scum plays that cause potential injuries?


Protecting? Lol.

You are OK with dirty plays as long as it fits your context. Just say you’re a hypocrite and move on.
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Re: Grayson Allen: NBA's dirtiest player? 

Post#69 » by Optms » Sun Jan 8, 2023 1:35 am

MagicMatic wrote:
Optms wrote:
MagicMatic wrote:
Hypocrite as expected


Nope. You just don't want these dirty players getting back what they dish out. Why are you protecting these scum plays that cause potential injuries?


Protecting? Lol.

You are OK with dirty plays as long as it fits your context. Just say you’re a hypocrite and move on.


The context is simple. An eye for an eye.
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Re: Grayson Allen: NBA's dirtiest player? 

Post#70 » by Papi_swav » Sun Jan 8, 2023 1:35 am

bebopdeluxe wrote:
Papi_swav wrote:Yea he's had the reputation since college and probably before. Giannis is a little dirty too tbh


I don't think Giannis is dirty. He plays like a bull in a china shop sometimes, but I don't think that is "dirty".

No, he just swing his elbows and shoulders everytime he attacks the rim. Oh and he also injured Kyrie in that series
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Post#71 » by Memories » Sun Jan 8, 2023 1:49 am

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Re: Grayson Allen: NBA's dirtiest player? 

Post#72 » by skones » Sun Jan 8, 2023 2:58 am

Papi_swav wrote:
bebopdeluxe wrote:
Papi_swav wrote:Yea he's had the reputation since college and probably before. Giannis is a little dirty too tbh


I don't think Giannis is dirty. He plays like a bull in a china shop sometimes, but I don't think that is "dirty".

No, he just swing his elbows and shoulders everytime he attacks the rim. Oh and he also injured Kyrie in that series


Kyrie injured himself by jumping backwards to his left and seeking out contact. If you don't want contact, maybe not try to initiate it.
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Re: Grayson Allen: NBA's dirtiest player? 

Post#73 » by Papi_swav » Sun Jan 8, 2023 3:00 am

skones wrote:
Papi_swav wrote:
bebopdeluxe wrote:
I don't think Giannis is dirty. He plays like a bull in a china shop sometimes, but I don't think that is "dirty".

No, he just swing his elbows and shoulders everytime he attacks the rim. Oh and he also injured Kyrie in that series


Kyrie injured himself by jumping backwards to his left and seeking out contact. If you don't want contact, maybe not try to initiate it.

He didn't you're just bias. Kyrie rarely seeks contact on offense or flops, unlike Giannis swinging elbows. And kyrie def doesn't cry to the refs
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Re: Grayson Allen: NBA's dirtiest player? 

Post#74 » by skones » Sun Jan 8, 2023 3:03 am

Papi_swav wrote:
skones wrote:
Papi_swav wrote:No, he just swing his elbows and shoulders everytime he attacks the rim. Oh and he also injured Kyrie in that series


Kyrie injured himself by jumping backwards to his left and seeking out contact. If you don't want contact, maybe not try to initiate it.

He didn't you're just bias. Kyrie rarely seeks contact on offense or flops, unlike Giannis swinging elbows. And kyrie def doesn't cry to the refs


Go ahead and watch the play, his right foot is on the right side of the restricted area, his right foot lands back and to the left closer to the middle top of the restricted area. He leans the opposite way his body is moving and braces for a hit from Jrue that never comes because Jrue ducks it. This stuff is plain as day, and I'm the one that's biased? Nope.

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Post#75 » by carlquincy » Sun Jan 8, 2023 3:13 am

skones wrote:
Papi_swav wrote:
skones wrote:
Kyrie injured himself by jumping backwards to his left and seeking out contact. If you don't want contact, maybe not try to initiate it.

He didn't you're just bias. Kyrie rarely seeks contact on offense or flops, unlike Giannis swinging elbows. And kyrie def doesn't cry to the refs


Go ahead and watch the play, his right foot is on the right side of the restricted area, his right foot lands back and to the left closer to the middle top of the restricted area. He leans the opposite way his body is moving and braces for a hit from Jrue that never comes because Jrue ducks it. This stuff is plain as day, and I'm the one that's biased? Nope.



Wait how is that play seeking contact?? Simple up & down.
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Post#76 » by skones » Sun Jan 8, 2023 3:40 am

carlquincy wrote:
skones wrote:
Papi_swav wrote:He didn't you're just bias. Kyrie rarely seeks contact on offense or flops, unlike Giannis swinging elbows. And kyrie def doesn't cry to the refs


Go ahead and watch the play, his right foot is on the right side of the restricted area, his right foot lands back and to the left closer to the middle top of the restricted area. He leans the opposite way his body is moving and braces for a hit from Jrue that never comes because Jrue ducks it. This stuff is plain as day, and I'm the one that's biased? Nope.



Wait how is that play seeking contact?? Simple up & down.


A) What do you think he's trying to accomplish jumping backwards? He ain't protecting the ball by bringing the ball closer to the defender I'll tell you that. His momentum was carrying him to the right, but he jumps left?
B) The rest of his body language SCREAMS bracing for contact. He leans back off balance, he winces, hell, his mouth even opens to audibly accentuate the contact with a yell before he is even touched. This is creating contact and drawing a foul 101 here. There isn't another reasonable conclusion.
C) Again, not a simple up and down, as I've already laid out. His feet start where they start and land where they land.
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Re: Grayson Allen: NBA's dirtiest player? 

Post#77 » by Papi_swav » Sun Jan 8, 2023 3:42 am

carlquincy wrote:
skones wrote:
Papi_swav wrote:He didn't you're just bias. Kyrie rarely seeks contact on offense or flops, unlike Giannis swinging elbows. And kyrie def doesn't cry to the refs


Go ahead and watch the play, his right foot is on the right side of the restricted area, his right foot lands back and to the left closer to the middle top of the restricted area. He leans the opposite way his body is moving and braces for a hit from Jrue that never comes because Jrue ducks it. This stuff is plain as day, and I'm the one that's biased? Nope.



Wait how is that play seeking contact?? Simple up & down.

lol leave it to them to tell it, they will argue this to the end. Kyrie jumps straight up and Giannis comes and slides his feet under his landing. If he can't see that then there's no reason to keep discussing.
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Re: Grayson Allen: NBA's dirtiest player? 

Post#78 » by carlquincy » Sun Jan 8, 2023 4:28 am

skones wrote:
carlquincy wrote:
skones wrote:
Go ahead and watch the play, his right foot is on the right side of the restricted area, his right foot lands back and to the left closer to the middle top of the restricted area. He leans the opposite way his body is moving and braces for a hit from Jrue that never comes because Jrue ducks it. This stuff is plain as day, and I'm the one that's biased? Nope.



Wait how is that play seeking contact?? Simple up & down.


A) What do you think he's trying to accomplish jumping backwards? He ain't protecting the ball by bringing the ball closer to the defender I'll tell you that. His momentum was carrying him to the right, but he jumps left?
B) The rest of his body language SCREAMS bracing for contact. He leans back off balance, he winces, hell, his mouth even opens to audibly accentuate the contact with a yell before he is even touched. This is creating contact and drawing a foul 101 here. There isn't another reasonable conclusion.
C) Again, not a simple up and down, as I've already laid out. His feet start where they start and land where they land.


A & C) Kyrie did not jump left. He jumped straight up for the easiest shot since he's pretty open. Looking at his right foot is misleading since its outstretched to the right. He merely gathered and jump up.

B) no comments.
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Re: Grayson Allen: NBA's dirtiest player? 

Post#79 » by jc23 » Sun Jan 8, 2023 7:23 am

Nate505 wrote:
jc23 wrote:outside of his incident with Caruso i dont think any of his antics have caused injury. But this play right here is the type of dirty Allen brings to your team...

Oh wow, his foot moved a whole half a foot.

Dude would have been right at home with the Bad Boy Pistons with this sort of maliciousness. This is truly one of the worst things I've ever seen on an NBA floor.


Rendei wrote:
jc23 wrote:outside of his incident with Caruso i dont think any of his antics have caused injury. But this play right here is the type of dirty Allen brings to your team...

Read on Twitter


He likes to add that little bit extra to it.

Caruso still is having issues with his wrist btw.

Taking playing under a microscope to a whole new level. Wow.


C'mon now, you both know that was not a natural movement (unless you a honky tonk dancer) and his intention was to trip Rose because he got burnt. Nobody is saying he belongs on the bad boys Pistons, thats silly talk. Its fine to call it like it is, he isnt as dirty as some make him out to be but he knows exactly what he is doing, there obvious intent.

And there are plenty more examples btw.

Like when he flopped into Derozen a few weeks back, he added a bit more to the play by falling with forearm into derozens back; who then also flopped btw lol. So its usually these small cheap shots, hey thats a better decription of the guy, he is a cheap shot artist! not dirty. Exception being the Caruso incident where that was a dirty play due to the player being in the air.



Bulls announcers were silly here as well. But Allen's history now walks ahead of him everytime he enters the UC.
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Post#80 » by Rendei » Sun Jan 8, 2023 8:21 am

jc23 wrote:
Nate505 wrote:
jc23 wrote:outside of his incident with Caruso i dont think any of his antics have caused injury. But this play right here is the type of dirty Allen brings to your team...

Oh wow, his foot moved a whole half a foot.

Dude would have been right at home with the Bad Boy Pistons with this sort of maliciousness. This is truly one of the worst things I've ever seen on an NBA floor.


Rendei wrote:
jc23 wrote:outside of his incident with Caruso i dont think any of his antics have caused injury. But this play right here is the type of dirty Allen brings to your team...

Read on Twitter


He likes to add that little bit extra to it.

Caruso still is having issues with his wrist btw.

Taking playing under a microscope to a whole new level. Wow.


C'mon now, you both know that was not a natural movement (unless you a honky tonk dancer) and his intention was to trip Rose because he got burnt. Nobody is saying he belongs on the bad boys Pistons, thats silly talk. Its fine to call it like it is, he isnt as dirty as some make him out to be but he knows exactly what he is doing, there obvious intent.

And there are plenty more examples btw.

Like when he flopped into Derozen a few weeks back, he added a bit more to the play by falling with forearm into derozens back; who then also flopped btw lol. So its usually these small cheap shots, hey thats a better decription of the guy, he is a cheap shot artist! not dirty. Exception being the Caruso incident where that was a dirty play due to the player being in the air.



Bulls announcers were silly here as well. But Allen's history now walks ahead of him everytime he enters the UC.

There was a bit of weirdness there, but who knows why. Maybe he wanted to step in and changed his mind. Maybe he clipped his own foot. Judging intent is basically impossible. It's just a reflection of your own beliefs and biases.

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