Heaves

[BoatsNZones]

Westbrook and Young care about being efficient? I have to disagree.

Also, does this matter in anyway? What's the made baskets stat here.

Curry is at 5/101 for his career, and he's probably one of the most likely guys to make something like this, so the average is probably lower than that 5%.

He most often sprints to just past half-court when there is ~2 seconds on the clock and takes the heave from just over the line (those are not counted as heaves technically, although they are very much heaves), and he has hit a number of them. The vast majority of players slowly walk it up in that scenario and pump-fake at the buzzer.

I'd error on the side of trying to duplicate the effort of whatever the greatest winner of this generation is doing if I'm the rest of the league.

[Chris Porter's Hair]

Curry, the best shooter in the world, made five in 859 games.

Which comes down to .005 chance of him making it.

That's... not how math works. At all.

What you're more or less saying is, "If you buy a ticket to a game hoping to see him make a heave, there is a .005 chance of him making one." Which isn't a very interesting discussion. Other (reasonable) data provided here suggests his FG% on heaves is more like 5%. Which is still low, but definitely suggests that if he's in a position to heave the ball or just eat it, he'd be better off heaving it.

I mean really, even if it *was* a 0.5% chance of going in, I'd still need to hear the argument for just eating the ball rather than trying. Are you worried about injury? Hurting a fan? What?

[Scalabrine]

I don't get obsession fans have about heaves, they never ever ever ever go in.

You can look at the amount of heaves taken each year by volume heave takers and they might make one. They go for years without making any.

Both can't be true.

[cam24thomas]

I looked at career heaves for ball handlers. Its look funny, but amount of attempts tell alot about stat paders

Lowry 48
Conley 41

Harden 18
Westbrook 14
Lillard 22
Young 4
Irving 13

Lebron 04-11 31
Lebron 12-23 3

Doncic 35
Kobe 54
Curry 101

Nearly all Ben's 3-point attempts in his first 2 seasons (17 3-point attempts) were from half-court. If you take away the heaves he's probably a 30 or 40% 3-point shooter.

Let's assume he's indeed a 30%-40% 3pt shooter (LOL).
It makes him kind of a low IQ player than if he never shoots it in the game anymore, you know. And he's wide open there.

Or he's too tough and feels 3-pointers are too soft for him.
I heard he liked playing Australian Rules football when he was a kid....

[threethehardway]

What you're more or less saying is, "If you buy a ticket to a game hoping to see him make a heave, there is a .005 chance of him making one." Which isn't a very interesting discussion. Other (reasonable) data provided here suggests his FG% on heaves is more like 5%. Which is still low, but definitely suggests that if he's in a position to heave the ball or just eat it, he'd be better off heaving it.

I mean really, even if it *was* a 0.5% chance of going in, I'd still need to hear the argument for just eating the ball rather than trying. Are you worried about injury? Hurting a fan? What?

It isn't interesting discussion because it proves how few actually go in and how ridiculous it is for fans to cry about something that rarely happens for even the best shooter ever.

13 years, 859 games, 101 shots and only made 5 heaves lol. Nobody here probably even knows the 5 he made off the top of their head.

Some of y'all don't even know what a heave is actually counted as and counting deep threes near the logo as time expiring or counting backcourt shots or combining the two.

Fans only remember the ones that go in from the backcourt because it played in highlight reels from a no-name game played on a Sunday at 2PM.

This stuff is just baseless fan compliant about players "not being competitive" or "taking the fun out of the game" because they are not throwing the ball from the backcourt for a minuscule chance of making a shot every time the half ends.

I am more upset that PJ Tucker plays 30 plus minutes without taking a shot and he can't shoot from anywhere but the corner. Running around on the court doing nothing lol.

I need to stay out these threads, it's such a waste of time lol.

[Inspektor1312]

I really don't understand the mindset of people who think players shouldn't take heaves. There literally isn't a single good reason why they shouldn't take them. Even when it's a miss, it's infinitely more entertaining to watch than a player just dribbling out the possession.
The only explanation is that fanboys are trying to defend their favorite players.
I honestly don't even understand the players who're thinking about their percentages. Curry's 3p% would rise from 42.6% to 43.2% if he didn't take 101 heaves and make 5 of them.
If a player prefers having 0.5% better 3pt% than trying to help his team win, that's a big minus in my book.

[Phystic]

Always wondered where the idea came from that players don't throw it because they are concerned about fg%.

I mean a single shot is not going to substantially impact their fg% so not sure why people think that's their concern

[BoatsNZones]

Always wondered where the idea came from that players don't throw it because they are concerned about fg%.

I mean a single shot is not going to substantially impact their fg% so not sure why people think that's their concern

It's obviously their concern (what other concern could you possibly think of? It's a no-risk chance at adding 3 points). Many are just too ignorant to realize it has virtually zero effect on their FG% and choose selfishness (foolish as it is) over the chance to help their team win. It's as simple as that. Some do it, others don't. It's not that big of a deal of course.