Will Jokic get exposed these playoffs, again?

[Devilanche]

When he got his Nuggets swept 0-4 to the Suns. And that time when AD cooked him in the bubble. That's when.

What was exposed about Jokic there? Exposed means something about player is revealed that can be used against him going forward, like how Hawks exposed Hibbert for example. That is being exposed, no one in the league wants to play Jokic in a series, trust me.

Every1's exposed every year unless they happen to win a tilted but even than it better not be in a bubble or on a team that trades for talent.

Or their opponent have injuries . That’s a very big one .

[eyeatoma]

When was Jokic exposed?

When he got his Nuggets swept 0-4 to the Suns. And that time when AD cooked him in the bubble. That's when.

Don't give me the injury excuse either. He's a 2-time MVP for crying out loud. He should be talented enough to steal a few games.

If the premise of this thread is that embiid is so much better than jokic , why haven’t he been able to at least match one conference final appearance . He supposedly exposed a 2-time MVP for crying out loud . He should be able to at least match the exposed man achievement.

You can make the same argument for why Jokic hasn't made the finals. But the stans will just say it's his team. Basically Jokic is good enough for the regular season but not the playoffs.

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[Devilanche]

When he got his Nuggets swept 0-4 to the Suns. And that time when AD cooked him in the bubble. That's when.

Don't give me the injury excuse either. He's a 2-time MVP for crying out loud. He should be talented enough to steal a few games.

If the premise of this thread is that embiid is so much better than jokic , why haven’t he been able to at least match one conference final appearance . He supposedly exposed a 2-time MVP for crying out loud . He should be able to at least match the exposed man achievement.

You can make the same argument for why Jokic hasn't made the finals. But the stans will just say it's his team. Basically Jokic is good enough for the regular season but not the playoffs.

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The premise of this thread his that jokic is weaker hence he should be outperformed by the better player.
Anyone can agree that embiid has much better robin’s than jokic ever had.

So if jokic is not good enough in the offseason, where does that leave embiid ?

[Mickey8]

If Denver is healthy when the post season comes and they bounce out of the play offs as the top seed this season, then you can rightfully call him exposed.

[picc]

Jokic has proven himself offensively. The only hurdle left for him to clear is to prove he can be championship team level defensive player in this era, where defensive liabilities are magnified x10.

That doesn't mean being Kevin Garnett. It just means proving his defense will not be debilitating factor to any team trying to win a title.

There's a lot riding on that, tbh. Its going to be the difference in the all-time lists between him being an all-time great with a fatal flaw, or a potential "best player ever" candidate.

[Blame Rasho]

I been here long enough to see every player I ever seen in my lifetime get exposed in the playoffs.

[philly262]

I been here long enough to see every player I ever seen in my lifetime get exposed in the playoffs.

100% agree. Jokic and Embiid are two greats. It’s like Kobe, Tmac and Vince in the 90s/2000s. Tmac was probably the most talented of the three but injuries, bad luck and poor team building stopped him from every going deep in the playoffs consistently.

[Mickey8]

Jokic has proven himself offensively. The only hurdle left for him to clear is to prove he can be championship team level defensive player in this era, where defensive liabilities are magnified x10.

That doesn't mean being Kevin Garnett. It just means proving his defense will not be debilitating factor to any team trying to win a title.

There's a lot riding on that, tbh. Its going to be the difference in the all-time lists between him being an all-time great with a fatal flaw, or a potential "best player ever" candidate.

Lets see him first having the healthy roster in the post season. That should be priority.

[LessEyeTest]

Jokic has proven himself offensively. The only hurdle left for him to clear is to prove he can be championship team level defensive player in this era, where defensive liabilities are magnified x10.

That doesn't mean being Kevin Garnett. It just means proving his defense will not be debilitating factor to any team trying to win a title.

There's a lot riding on that, tbh. Its going to be the difference in the all-time lists between him being an all-time great with a fatal flaw, or a potential "best player ever" candidate.

Lets see him first having the healthy roster in the post season. That should be priority.

I’ve tried educating folks about Jokic’s supporting cast the past two years but they prefer to get their news from Nick Wright & ESPN lol

[picc]

Jokic has proven himself offensively. The only hurdle left for him to clear is to prove he can be championship team level defensive player in this era, where defensive liabilities are magnified x10.

That doesn't mean being Kevin Garnett. It just means proving his defense will not be debilitating factor to any team trying to win a title.

There's a lot riding on that, tbh. Its going to be the difference in the all-time lists between him being an all-time great with a fatal flaw, or a potential "best player ever" candidate.

Lets see him first having the healthy roster in the post season. That should be priority.

That goes without saying. Obviously I don't mean prove he can be on a title level team playing with benchwarmers.

[Infinite Llamas]

When he got his Nuggets swept 0-4 to the Suns. And that time when AD cooked him in the bubble. That's when.

What was exposed about Jokic there? Exposed means something about player is revealed that can be used against him going forward, like how Hawks exposed Hibbert for example. That is being exposed, no one in the league wants to play Jokic in a series, trust me.

By being a 2-time MVP and getting his team swept. By not being able to defend the third best big man in the game. And tonight, by letting the second best big man cook him on national television. How many more examples do you need?

He was a one time MVP when he was swept, genius

[Optms]

Jokic has proven himself offensively. The only hurdle left for him to clear is to prove he can be championship team level defensive player in this era, where defensive liabilities are magnified x10.

That doesn't mean being Kevin Garnett. It just means proving his defense will not be debilitating factor to any team trying to win a title.

There's a lot riding on that, tbh. Its going to be the difference in the all-time lists between him being an all-time great with a fatal flaw, or a potential "best player ever" candidate.

Lets see him first having the healthy roster in the post season. That should be priority.

Most teams are never healthy in the playoffs. All I hear are excuses.

[Tempe]

Jokic is a fraud and will “lead” Denver to yet another embarrassing playoff defeat. You can guarantee that. Jokic doesn’t impact winning at the highest level.


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[JDR720]

People are weirdly desperate to discredit Jokic. Most of whom are Embiid fans, which makes it even weirder since Jokic is more accomplished.

[JayMKE]

Jokic possibly being a 3x MVP without ever winning anything in the playoffs rightfully sounds off some alarm bells for some people, I don't expect Denver to win the championship this year given how that team is built but I wouldn't say that would be "exposed" either. Jokic is not a defensive presence but who is in Denver? Teams without a defensive identity aren't going to win a championship but jmo. He might be the most excellent efficient offensive RS player in history but you gotta raise the floor of your team in the playoffs, if you can't do that then you're James Harden.

Embiid never winning **** either is a major mark against him too, Im not a big believer of him in the playoffs either.

[JDR720]

When was Jokic exposed?

When he got his Nuggets swept 0-4 to the Suns. And that time when AD cooked him in the bubble. That's when.

Don't give me the injury excuse either. He's a 2-time MVP for crying out loud. He should be talented enough to steal a few games.

Embiid has gotten swept too.

And in that Suns series, Jokic averaged 25/13/6.

For comparison, last season the 76ers lost to Miami in 6 games. Embiid averaged 20/10/2 on 42% shooting.

Bam averaged 17/8/2 on 65% shooting.

Did Embiid get exposed vs Bam, and is therefor a lesser player?

[HeartBreakKid]

Jokic has proven himself offensively. The only hurdle left for him to clear is to prove he can be championship team level defensive player in this era, where defensive liabilities are magnified x10.

That doesn't mean being Kevin Garnett. It just means proving his defense will not be debilitating factor to any team trying to win a title.

There's a lot riding on that, tbh. Its going to be the difference in the all-time lists between him being an all-time great with a fatal flaw, or a potential "best player ever" candidate.

Lets see him first having the healthy roster in the post season. That should be priority.

Most teams are never healthy in the playoffs. All I hear are excuses.

There is a difference between not being healthy and not having your 2nd and 3rd best players.

[eyeatoma]

When was Jokic exposed?

When he got his Nuggets swept 0-4 to the Suns. And that time when AD cooked him in the bubble. That's when.

Don't give me the injury excuse either. He's a 2-time MVP for crying out loud. He should be talented enough to steal a few games.

Embiid has gotten swept too.

And in that Suns series, Jokic averaged 25/13/6.

For comparison, last season the 76ers lost to Miami in 6 games. Embiid averaged 20/10/2 on 42% shooting.

Bam averaged 17/8/2 on 65% shooting.

Did Embiid get exposed vs Bam, and is therefor a lesser player?

Lol you fail to include that Embiid had a broken face and torn thumb ligament. It's okay though don't let facts get in the way of a good story.

Also with regards to playoffs impact, Jokic is 21-27 in playoff games, and Embiid is 22-22.

Jokic is also a minus 31 in the playoffs while Embiid is a + 282. You can credit stormi on this thread for posting that information. viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2260879&start=40

Again, the premise that Jokic is far more successful in the playoffs is a mirage.

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Hving big in the paint really paid off, but I wouldn't count on Defense against Jokic in the series. Denver and Jokic will make adjustments too, Nikola is smartest offensive player in the league. You need to beat him on the other end, facing their defense, where Jokic can be a weak link. At times he was really bad there in this game.

But this ''Jokic stoppers'' thing will be figured out, they caught them off guard after one half time, it was very interesting adjustment, but next time if they do the same thing, Denver gonna put more respectable shooters and Jokic will no matter what will make big leave the paint otherwise it will wide open 3 city. You need to beat Joker with your offense, not your D, thats what I imagine, now when he has his co stars back.