Dame committed to the Blazers

[durden_tyler]

I'm guessing that they will shop Simons and see if they can get some big man help and move forward with Dame/Scoot/Sharpe/Grant/Nurkic + whatever they can get for Simons to help in the frontcourt.

Just Simons? So the Blazers are not committed to providing Dame a winning team?

[YogurtProducer]

Then trade Sharpe, Simons, and Scoot and get the man some **** help.

That would be a terrible idea.

They just need to trade Dame… start building around Simmons, Scoot & Sharpe as their young 3-some on the perimeter. Then somehow do whatever it takes to get rid of useless Nurkic and is awful contract and ship Reddish, Thybulle off to somewhere that’s not Portland. Lose a lot of games and play for Buzelis, Mara, Holland

The only players I want to move Scoot or Sharpe for is a top tier all-star talent. The notion that the Blazers should throw those guys away for some pretty good players is ridiculous.

Even Dame is not asking for that notice his dream scenario was signing Green in free agency and making sure Jerami is in a Blazer jersey, which we could try to do if we find some ways to cut salary. Do you see Dame saying that he is livid that we didn't trade Scoot or Sharpe? Because I sure as **** didn't see that!

**** in a few years if Sharpe and Scoot continue to develop this team could be pretty damn good even with Dame starting to get up there in age.

Maybe Scoot and Sharpe will be as good as Dame and CJ were!

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Im about tired of hearing about Dame and his unrealistic expectations.

[Lenneth]

If the Blazers can somehow nab Draymond for $25 per from the Warriors and sign Grant to a reasonable deal $20-$25 mil per/yr they may actually have a shot at contention. I believe they have enough capspace but someone correct me if I’m off.

They can then trade Simons, Nurkic #3 for Paul George or Kawhi + Zubac. They can test Sharpe and Nasir’s trade value on the market for another starting caliber player too or just keep them for depth. Use their TPMLE on Divincenzo (I believe they will still have this exception but again correct me if I’m wrong).

Lillard/Beverley (vet min)
Divincenzo/Sharpe/Keon Johnson
Paul George/Little/Rupert
Jerami Grant/Kris Murray
Draymond/Zubac

Is this possible? Or at least a tweaked version of this?

They don't have a cap to sign Green even if they waive everybody
Lillard + Simons + Nurkic + Sharp + Little + Henderson + Murray + Johnson will be 115 mils, with 2023-2024 cap being 136 mils.
So, that will leave about 21 mils with just 8 players. Even if they decide to waive everybody including Grant, that might not even be enough to sign Green. Then, if they want to resign Grant, they will be over the cap.

We could see a sign and trade that could work out, remember you don't need to have the entire amount in cap space available with a trade. You can have a portion of that necessary cap space and then that qualifies as the requirement of cap space needed.

Sign and trade is possible, but Warriors have no obligation to do so if they really want to keep Green. And, Warriors traded Poole for Paul largely to get under the 2nd apron after 2023-2024. They definitely won't accept Simon, Little or Nurkic to do so.

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It's not even a big two!

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If the Blazers can somehow nab Draymond for $25 per from the Warriors and sign Grant to a reasonable deal $20-$25 mil per/yr they may actually have a shot at contention. I believe they have enough capspace but someone correct me if I’m off.

They can then trade Simons, Nurkic #3 for Paul George or Kawhi + Zubac. They can test Sharpe and Nasir’s trade value on the market for another starting caliber player too or just keep them for depth. Use their TPMLE on Divincenzo (I believe they will still have this exception but again correct me if I’m wrong).

Lillard/Beverley (vet min)
Divincenzo/Sharpe/Keon Johnson
Paul George/Little/Rupert
Jerami Grant/Kris Murray
Draymond/Zubac

Is this possible? Or at least a tweaked version of this?

They don't have a cap to sign Green even if they waive everybody
Lillard + Simons + Nurkic + Sharp + Little + Henderson + Murray + Johnson will be 115 mils, with 2023-2024 cap being 136 mils.
So, that will leave about 21 mils with just 8 players. Even if they decide to waive everybody including Grant, that might not even be enough to sign Green. Then, if they want to resign Grant, they will be over the cap.

Okay, I think I understand now. The empty roster charges count against the cap as well, right?

Say a team completely absorbs Nurkic’s contract into a TPE that would open up $16 mil and you waive Grant, Thybulle, Reddish, etc cap holds you should have roughly $100 mil for 8 players (Lillard, Simons, Sharpe, Little, Henderson, Johnson, Murray, Eubanks). Say Draymond gets $25 mil per then thats about $125 mil for 9 players and leaves you about $8 mil left in cap to sign a Donte DiVincenzo type player (he might get a little more) and the remaining $3ish mil for empty roster charges. Can they then proceed to package Simons + Scoot + Sharpe for Paul George? They would also have a Room Exception of about $5 mil to use too on maybe a Jae Crowder.

Lillard/Beverley (vet min)
DiVincenzo/Johnson
Paul George/Little/Rupert (sign to rookie min)
Khris Murray/Crowder (Room Exception)
Draymond Green/Eubanks (re-sign w/ bird rights)

This is the best I can do with a Draymond Blazer's iteration and that's with things tilting in the Blazer's favor a bit in terms of a team absorbing Nurkic's contract and the Clippers and Draymond willing to cooperate. Once you look into it further, a Draymond and Lillard duo doesn't seem likely and building a contender through free agency seems even more challenging.

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Im about tired of hearing about Dame and his unrealistic expectations.

Then why are you here?

[Shock Defeat]

This is for leverage to negotiate a better deal. He will be on another team soon

[monopoman]

They don't have a cap to sign Green even if they waive everybody
Lillard + Simons + Nurkic + Sharp + Little + Henderson + Murray + Johnson will be 115 mils, with 2023-2024 cap being 136 mils.
So, that will leave about 21 mils with just 8 players. Even if they decide to waive everybody including Grant, that might not even be enough to sign Green. Then, if they want to resign Grant, they will be over the cap.

We could see a sign and trade that could work out, remember you don't need to have the entire amount in cap space available with a trade. You can have a portion of that necessary cap space and then that qualifies as the requirement of cap space needed.

Sign and trade is possible, but Warriors have no obligation to do so if they really want to keep Green. And, Warriors traded Poole for Paul largely to get under the 2nd apron after 2023-2024. They definitely won't accept Simon, Little or Nurkic to do so.

Well step 1 of this whole thing is having Draymond say he wants to be a Blazer. Sure if Green is happy with the Warriors this is all a non-starter.

Now you might say why would they help us get him? Well he could threaten to leave for another team and they get jack **** as compensation. We also could work a deal to a 3rd team if they have no interest in someone like Simons for instance.

Obviously the Warriors want to keep Draymond but it appears he is not 100% on board with that otherwise he would have just signed with them. They also have the second highest payroll just like 500,000 or so less than the Clippers, keeping that core together is very pricey and we could see them balk if Draymond tries to go for every dollar he can.

[kobyz]

The only option for them to please Lillard is if Toronto agree to send OG Anunoby and Pascal Siakam to them in exchange for Scoot, Sharpe

[ILC]

No chance. The only way it works is if they trade Scoot in the next 2 days. The only plausible scenario I can think of is Pelicans really wanted Scoot and Blazers would like Zion but they didn't have enough time before the draft to speak with him face to face and examine the medicals so they're taking a few days extra.

Otherwise no amount of Simons, Nurk, picks is going to change Dame's life. He and Scoot can't play together and it won't lead to winning basketball.

I think this is more of a KD scenario before they traded him to PHX. Publicly they're saying one thing, but privately they're negotiating with the team Dame chose (Heat) and it'll just come out he was traded soon. Again, UNLESS they still swing for Zion. Those are the only two scenarios IMO.

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ill give numerous examples of things 19 year olds dont understand.
How to use their hands off ball on the offensive player without getting called
drawing bs fouls
screen navigation.
NBA verbiage
player tendencies.
how to get adequate sleep while travelling
using your hands on offense against the defense.
NBA spacing

Henderson might be at least almost as good as dame in a few years..... but hes going to fall prey to every single thing i just listed. Cant win with those, even if your goal isnt the titlee

Good list. I'd add that the biggest thing for most young guys is adjusting to a game when you still haven't finished physically growing and you're not bigger/faster/stronger than most opponents like you were in NCAA. Every year around the draft, the hype train leaves the station, and people forget that it takes 2-3 years for most players to find their footing and gain weight/strength, and therefore this year's class of rookies will suck as much as most years.

Dame is right that if the Blazers want to win they need more vets

Aside: one of the reasons Raptor fans were/are so excited about Scottie Barnes is that his game came in looking mostly like a vet's game from the jump . . . he does so many little things so well, except for that shooting thingy

[Sane]

No sh*t the Blazers are committed to Dame. They don't mind not winning a title with him and also now taking the ball out of his hands more often. The tweet doesn't say he's committed to them. The thread title is misleading.

[QPR]

Surely this is all PR so he doesn't look bad when he is traded. It makes no sense for either side for him to stick around.

[SpreeS]

pure comedy

[Scarletfire81]

I don’t care anymore, just let him stat pad in Portland while they miss the playoffs. Draymond isn’t signing there lol.

[basketballRob]

I don’t care anymore, just let him stat pad in Portland while they miss the playoffs. Draymond isn’t signing there lol.

I think Portland's pick is lottery protected this season. So my guess is we'll get a heavy dose of young players, and they'll be in the lottery again. It seems like they've been hitting. Scoot and Sharpe can be the best backcourt in the league 3 years from now.

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[miamiballer]

Unless dame or his agent come out and say it, I’ll believe it when I see it

[MadNESS]

Think the Blazers and Dame agreed to “remain committed” so they don’t tank Dame’s value. This way Dame still gets what he “really” wants and that’s a deal elsewhere and the Blazers get good value for Dame and rebuild around Scoot and Sharpe. I could be 100% wrong but this is what I think.

[kenwood3333]

Dame commited to take the Bradley Beal route.