The Celtics Will Be Taking A Step Back This Upcoming Season

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Re: The Celtics Will Be Taking A Step Back This Upcoming Season 

Post#61 » by Patsfan1081 » Wed Sep 6, 2023 8:05 pm

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Johnny Bball wrote:You don't win too often in this league without a DPOY candidate (past or present). Denver did it last year, but that's the first in forever. I don't like the idea of trading Smart for Porzingis either. Smart missed less games and has less knee, ankle, foot injuries to worry about.

Knid of looks like they should step back. But their guys are pretty young still.


I feel like everyone argued with Celtics fans about how over-rated Smart was (rightly so in my opinion) and now that he's gone, everyone keeps preaching his importance to that team. It doesn't really make sense to me. White was way better than Smart on the defensive end last year and made all defense second team. Timelord was the real DPOY the previous year anyways if it had to be a Celtic.

Outside of the Porzingis fit, I actually think Timelord's diminishing role is the real risk to the Celtics' success next year.



Actually seems like the opposite is happening. Celtics fans claimed for years that Smart was their heart and soul a better than the numbers guy, someone they could always rely on in the playoffs now they're doing the standard Boston two-step and pretending that he was never good.

No offense but this is how Boston treats all their players when they leave. They put them on the pedestal when they're in town once they're out it's a complete 180.


I really don’t see that on the boards. Maybe with Kyrie that was the case but fans have always been split on Smart and are 50/50 on the trade. Everyone loved his hustle and toughness but thought he was playing out of position as the starting pg. Smart himself also thought of himself in the same level of the two Jays and thats where the issues stem from. What you’re describing is also common with every player/team.
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Re: The Celtics Will Be Taking A Step Back This Upcoming Season 

Post#62 » by KingFox » Wed Sep 6, 2023 8:26 pm

MoneyTalks41890 wrote:If they played in the West maybe but the East is too weak and the Celtics are still too strong.

Even then, i think they matchup very well with most Western conference teams and would beat most of em at least 2-3 out of 4 times in the regular season, and i quite like the risky trade for Porzingis because they needed a shakeup whilst keeping Tatum and Brown together for now. Scary potential indeed.
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Re: The Celtics Will Be Taking A Step Back This Upcoming Season 

Post#63 » by Karate Diop » Wed Sep 6, 2023 8:36 pm

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I feel like everyone argued with Celtics fans about how over-rated Smart was (rightly so in my opinion) and now that he's gone, everyone keeps preaching his importance to that team. It doesn't really make sense to me. White was way better than Smart on the defensive end last year and made all defense second team. Timelord was the real DPOY the previous year anyways if it had to be a Celtic.

Outside of the Porzingis fit, I actually think Timelord's diminishing role is the real risk to the Celtics' success next year.



Actually seems like the opposite is happening. Celtics fans claimed for years that Smart was their heart and soul a better than the numbers guy, someone they could always rely on in the playoffs now they're doing the standard Boston two-step and pretending that he was never good.

No offense but this is how Boston treats all their players when they leave. They put them on the pedestal when they're in town once they're out it's a complete 180.


I really don’t see that on the boards. Maybe with Kyrie that was the case but fans have always been split on Smart and are 50/50 on the trade. Everyone loved his hustle and toughness but thought he was playing out of position as the starting pg. Smart himself also thought of himself in the same level of the two Jays and thats where the issues stem from. What you’re describing is also common with every player/team.


It's actually not the same with every team though... I've spent time in Philly, NY and now Boston and it's pretty interesting how every geographic region treats "their guys" differently.

Can expand upon this later, not saying it's wrong for Bostonians to go turncoat at the drop of a hat but it is different for someone looking at things from the outside.
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Post#64 » by Dacost » Wed Sep 6, 2023 8:37 pm

I hate when media and fans said stuff like Smart took a step back because his getting older or whatever.

To that's BS new coach want it run and shoot 3s more which hurt smart overall game.
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Re: The Celtics Will Be Taking A Step Back This Upcoming Season 

Post#65 » by BrianFitz » Wed Sep 6, 2023 9:57 pm

Stone wrote:The Celtics have to hope that their young and inexperienced coach learned from last seasons playoffs. The Celtics have a strong roster. This is a make or break season for Joe Mazzulla.


Yep I honestly think coaching is Boston's biggest weakness. The team is made up with a bunch of guys that would do well with strong leadership. Especially with Smart gone.
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Post#66 » by BrianFitz » Wed Sep 6, 2023 9:58 pm

dolphinatik wrote:its wait and see. I think losing Grant Williams is as big as the Smart loss However Jordan Walsh has the ability to make everyone forget about those two this season. Kristaps has no pressure and do what he needs to do to be ready for the playoffs, same with Timelord. If the Celtics can get marginal performances from both of those guys they will be better than last year. They also opted to double down on Payton Pritchard to allow him more playing time. Less stat chasing and more team play could see this years Celtics much better than last years. I also expect a mid season trade to bolster this roster something like a Center. Whiteside would be decent.


Thing is, Grant Williams was out of the rotation for a good chunk of the playoffs anyway. I don't think he really have a future going forward under Mazulla.
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Re: The Celtics Will Be Taking A Step Back This Upcoming Season 

Post#67 » by hugepatsfan » Wed Sep 6, 2023 10:22 pm

Johnny Bball wrote:You don't win too often in this league without a DPOY candidate (past or present). Denver did it last year, but that's the first in forever. I don't like the idea of trading Smart for Porzingis either. Smart missed less games and has less knee, ankle, foot injuries to worry about.

Knid of looks like they should step back. But their guys are pretty young still.


To be fair, a lot of people argued against Smart winning DPOY in part because some felt his teammate (Rob Williams, still on the team) was better/more important on that end. I believe RWilliams still finished pretty highly that year himself. So if "DPOY candidate" is the hangup, BOS still potentially has one. Health-permitting of course.
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Re: The Celtics Will Be Taking A Step Back This Upcoming Season 

Post#68 » by Pointgod » Wed Sep 6, 2023 10:24 pm

If the Celtics are healthy they can absolutely compete with any of the top teams in the league, but I know with Brogdan, Porzingis and Timelord’s knees that’s a big if. In the playoffs the rotations only go 7-8 men deep anyways. Personally I think they should start Walsh during the season and let Brogdan, Pritchard and Timelord man the bench mob. Celtics will be fine, I find posters on here always just like to **** on teams after they’ve made a big trade.
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Re: The Celtics Will Be Taking A Step Back This Upcoming Season 

Post#69 » by Han Solo » Thu Sep 7, 2023 12:41 am

They’re gonna be good. That’s my opinion
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Re: The Celtics Will Be Taking A Step Back This Upcoming Season 

Post#70 » by bigfoot_cryptozoology » Thu Sep 7, 2023 1:11 am

The Celtics as long as their health holds,
can roll out three stars, great role players,
a previous 6th Man Of The Year, lots of height,
supreme depth, and a slew of Draft Picks to
acquire another Impact Talent.

That is pretty impressive indeed and I expect them to dominate
from the beginning of the season...
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Re: The Celtics Will Be Taking A Step Back This Upcoming Season 

Post#71 » by Johnny Bball » Thu Sep 7, 2023 5:16 am

hugepatsfan wrote:
Johnny Bball wrote:You don't win too often in this league without a DPOY candidate (past or present). Denver did it last year, but that's the first in forever. I don't like the idea of trading Smart for Porzingis either. Smart missed less games and has less knee, ankle, foot injuries to worry about.

Knid of looks like they should step back. But their guys are pretty young still.


To be fair, a lot of people argued against Smart winning DPOY in part because some felt his teammate (Rob Williams, still on the team) was better/more important on that end. I believe RWilliams still finished pretty highly that year himself. So if "DPOY candidate" is the hangup, BOS still potentially has one. Health-permitting of course.


It's just been that way for a long time. James, Draymond, Kawhi and Duncan, Kawhi and Gasol, AD and James, Giannis, Pick from earlier Lakers, Garnett, etc. Not sure that Timelord is that yet defensively, but maybe.
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Re: The Celtics Will Be Taking A Step Back This Upcoming Season 

Post#72 » by Lalouie » Thu Sep 7, 2023 6:48 am

OrangeBlueSkies wrote:Consistency, continuity, and that one-of-a-kind grit, combined with two young stars, these Celtics looked like they were destined for a title in Bean Town. They could taste it when they got to the Finals. However, with that all being said, can we take a consensus of what the brain trust here at REALGM is thinking?

In my opinion, trading Smart for Porzingis was a fatal mistake by the Celtics. They already have a 7 footer who cannot stay healthy. Now, they add Porzingis' health concerns to that... I love D. White.. Guys, I really really love this mans game. But is he the starting point guard on a championship team? Is Brogdon?


yes, the Celtics still look deep and formidable. But I think they are about to have a struggle of a season.


fatal to begin with. worse now
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Re: The Celtics Will Be Taking A Step Back This Upcoming Season 

Post#73 » by jirrit » Tue Sep 19, 2023 3:16 pm

Tell me who the other big threat is in the East? I mean, I give us a chance to win a play-off series against any team in the East.
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Post#74 » by Celts17Pride » Tue Sep 19, 2023 3:38 pm

Wishful thinking.
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Post#75 » by Johnny Bball » Wed Sep 20, 2023 11:27 am

Well this makes much more sense. Celtics first tried to move Brogdan. Not sure if that's the big news or Brogdan's response is the big news here.

https://sports.yahoo.com/report-malcolm-brogdon-angry-celtics-162440196.html

Brogdon to the Los Angeles Clippers, Marcus Morris to the Washington Wizards and Kristaps Porzingis to Boston. The trade fell apart at the last minute, however -- reportedly due to concerns the Clippers raised about Brogdon's right arm injury -- leading Boston to strike a different three-team deal for Porzingis that sent starting point guard Marcus Smart to the Memphis Grizzlies.

According to The Boston Globe's Gary Washburn, the whole experience left a bitter taste in Brogdon's mouth.

"Malcolm is the one I'm concerned about, because we've heard nothing and he's angry with the team," Washburn said on CLNS Media's "Celtics Beat" podcast. "So I don't think communication between the two sides has been fruitful."

Washburn clarified that these were Brogdon's feelings earlier this summer, and he doesn't know if the Celtics have mended fences with the veteran guard since then. But there were clearly hard feelings at the time, per Washburn.


The Celtics appeared to do some damage control later in the summer, reportedly shutting down trade inquiries for Brogdon and telling opponents the reigning NBA Sixth Man of the Year is a "a valued member of their team." Head coach Joe Mazzulla also spoke in late July of a "healing process" between Brogdon and the Celtics in the wake of the failed trade, adding that the team had several conversations with the 30-year-old veteran.
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Re: The Celtics Will Be Taking A Step Back This Upcoming Season 

Post#76 » by eyeatoma » Wed Sep 20, 2023 11:53 am

Triple M wrote:I think this is more wishful thinking than presenting any strong evidence for your case. The KP trade was a risk and i think it's fine to have doubts about it but its not like the Celtics competition in the East has improved.

Are the Bucks, Heat and Sixers better than a season ago because i think these teams have likely stagnated or gotten worse.

Are teams like the Knicks and Cavs ready to tske another jump up?? I dont quite see it

Because their is no dominant team in the East i think it comes down to the perennial contenders the last few years which Boston is in the mix in with Milwaukee and Miami



Spoken like a true homer.

Porzingis, has had one healthy season, that was last year, good luck on him repeating, especially given that he's already injured and the season hasn't even started yet.

You lost your heart and soul in Smart, the defensive grit, and intensity will be gone.

Robert Williams' knees are set to explode.

Horford looks like frankenstein.

Brogdon is incensed with the Celtics, for surprise surprise, another instance of the Celtics trying to cut loose on an injured guard.

Tatum was middling in the playoffs (except against the Sixers), because that's how it always goes.

Brown still can't drive to his left.

Oh and let's not forget about Joe Mazulla.

Totally wishful thinking though. :roll:
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Post#77 » by ryan in Maine » Wed Sep 20, 2023 2:12 pm

eyeatoma wrote:
Triple M wrote:I think this is more wishful thinking than presenting any strong evidence for your case. The KP trade was a risk and i think it's fine to have doubts about it but its not like the Celtics competition in the East has improved.

Are the Bucks, Heat and Sixers better than a season ago because i think these teams have likely stagnated or gotten worse.

Are teams like the Knicks and Cavs ready to tske another jump up?? I dont quite see it

Because their is no dominant team in the East i think it comes down to the perennial contenders the last few years which Boston is in the mix in with Milwaukee and Miami



Spoken like a true homer.

Porzingis, has had one healthy season, that was last year, good luck on him repeating, especially given that he's already injured and the season hasn't even started yet.

You lost your heart and soul in Smart, the defensive grit, and intensity will be gone.

Robert Williams' knees are set to explode.

Horford looks like frankenstein.

Brogdon is incensed with the Celtics, for surprise surprise, another instance of the Celtics trying to cut loose on an injured guard.

Tatum was middling in the playoffs (except against the Sixers), because that's how it always goes.

Brown still can't drive to his left.

Oh and let's not forget about Joe Mazulla.

Totally wishful thinking though. :roll:

Celtics homer is actually a pretty sweet gig.

Since Celtics drafted JB
2023 | Celtics eliminate Sixers in ECF
2022 | Celtics in The Finals
2021 | JB injured
2020 | Celtics eliminate Sixers in 1st Round
2019 | Celtics in EC Semi
2018 | Celtics eliminate Sixers in EC Semi
2017 | Celtics in EC Final

But you bring up a good point -- if:
a. Porzingis is injured
b. Smart can't be replaced
c. Rob is injured
d. Horford regresses
e. Brogdon is injured/moody
f. Tatum regresses
g. Brown leads The League in turnovers, and
h. Mazzulla's first season was a fluke,

... Sixers might have a chance lol.

Hoping the Celtics suck must be The New Process. Talk about wishful thinking.
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Post#78 » by Darth Celtic » Wed Sep 20, 2023 3:44 pm

eyeatoma wrote:
Triple M wrote:I think this is more wishful thinking than presenting any strong evidence for your case. The KP trade was a risk and i think it's fine to have doubts about it but its not like the Celtics competition in the East has improved.

Are the Bucks, Heat and Sixers better than a season ago because i think these teams have likely stagnated or gotten worse.

Are teams like the Knicks and Cavs ready to tske another jump up?? I dont quite see it

Because their is no dominant team in the East i think it comes down to the perennial contenders the last few years which Boston is in the mix in with Milwaukee and Miami



Spoken like a true homer.

Porzingis, has had one healthy season, that was last year, good luck on him repeating, especially given that he's already injured and the season hasn't even started yet.

You lost your heart and soul in Smart, the defensive grit, and intensity will be gone.

Robert Williams' knees are set to explode.

Horford looks like frankenstein.

Brogdon is incensed with the Celtics, for surprise surprise, another instance of the Celtics trying to cut loose on an injured guard.

Tatum was middling in the playoffs (except against the Sixers), because that's how it always goes.

Brown still can't drive to his left.

Oh and let's not forget about Joe Mazulla.

Totally wishful thinking though. :roll:


Yet we know they will eventually get an easy matchup against the sixers in playoffs as usual and advance deep in playoffs
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Re: The Celtics Will Be Taking A Step Back This Upcoming Season 

Post#79 » by eyeatoma » Wed Sep 20, 2023 9:25 pm

Darth Celtic wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:
Triple M wrote:I think this is more wishful thinking than presenting any strong evidence for your case. The KP trade was a risk and i think it's fine to have doubts about it but its not like the Celtics competition in the East has improved.

Are the Bucks, Heat and Sixers better than a season ago because i think these teams have likely stagnated or gotten worse.

Are teams like the Knicks and Cavs ready to tske another jump up?? I dont quite see it

Because their is no dominant team in the East i think it comes down to the perennial contenders the last few years which Boston is in the mix in with Milwaukee and Miami



Spoken like a true homer.

Porzingis, has had one healthy season, that was last year, good luck on him repeating, especially given that he's already injured and the season hasn't even started yet.

You lost your heart and soul in Smart, the defensive grit, and intensity will be gone.

Robert Williams' knees are set to explode.

Horford looks like frankenstein.

Brogdon is incensed with the Celtics, for surprise surprise, another instance of the Celtics trying to cut loose on an injured guard.

Tatum was middling in the playoffs (except against the Sixers), because that's how it always goes.

Brown still can't drive to his left.

Oh and let's not forget about Joe Mazulla.

Totally wishful thinking though. :roll:


Yet we know they will eventually get an easy matchup against the sixers in playoffs as usual and advance deep in playoffs


Only to fall the next round, hey I give it to the Celtics, they have Philly's number. They're just not built to win a chip though. Tatum and Brown are flawed, and the team still doesn't have a PG. All of their bigs are injury prone, it's not hard to see why people doubt them having a similarly successful season.
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Re: The Celtics Will Be Taking A Step Back This Upcoming Season 

Post#80 » by Triple M » Wed Sep 20, 2023 10:21 pm

eyeatoma wrote:
Triple M wrote:I think this is more wishful thinking than presenting any strong evidence for your case. The KP trade was a risk and i think it's fine to have doubts about it but its not like the Celtics competition in the East has improved.

Are the Bucks, Heat and Sixers better than a season ago because i think these teams have likely stagnated or gotten worse.

Are teams like the Knicks and Cavs ready to tske another jump up?? I dont quite see it

Because their is no dominant team in the East i think it comes down to the perennial contenders the last few years which Boston is in the mix in with Milwaukee and Miami



Spoken like a true homer.

Porzingis, has had one healthy season, that was last year, good luck on him repeating, especially given that he's already injured and the season hasn't even started yet.

You lost your heart and soul in Smart, the defensive grit, and intensity will be gone.

Robert Williams' knees are set to explode.

Horford looks like frankenstein.

Brogdon is incensed with the Celtics, for surprise surprise, another instance of the Celtics trying to cut loose on an injured guard.

Tatum was middling in the playoffs (except against the Sixers), because that's how it always goes.

Brown still can't drive to his left.

Oh and let's not forget about Joe Mazulla.

Totally wishful thinking though. :roll:


You can boil down critique any team in this way. Not sure why the Celtics are single out when the other perennial contenders havent got better.

The Bucks got a perennial MVP but haven't been back to the Confrence Finals the last few years but in a weak East they wil be up there. So will the Celtics and the Heat will be to if they get Dame.

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