cupcakesnake wrote:I don't get the hard work low talent narrative. Not that I doubt Demar is a crazy hard worker, but we're talking about someone with a really high athleticism level. While he's not an all-time great athlete, he's in that next tier of extremely good athlete. Probably in the 99.99th percentile of basketball athletes. While he mastered an interesting skill set over time, his strange failure to extend his shooting range is pretty strange considering how many middling NBA players have successfully added 3s to their arsenal.
Yep. He's athletic. That's kind of dime-a-dozen at his level, though, we see those guys in every draft. And Derozan's work ethic, and a lot of time, have taken him well beyond what might have been expected of him. He became a good player through that work ethic and skill development. I have respect for his accomplishments. It's frustrating that it took him until his 11th season to really become worthwhile as a volume scorer in the RS, and I don't think the preceding seasons are good enough to merit HoF consideration for him just on the basis of raw averages. I think that of many players who are in the HoF now. I don't think highly of the basketball HoF, though that's primarily because I have a different opinion of what it should mean compared to what it does, in fairness.
dhsilv2 wrote:
Lowry in terms of his actual on court play is absolutely on the level or even above that of the min level hall guys. Demar isn't. There's a huge gap between the two in terms of their both box and well a gulf bigger than the pacific ocean between their advanced stats incorporating on/off data. lowry's 6x allstar selections might leave him short of making the hall with voters, but I somewhat doubt it.
I don't think guys at Lowry's level should be in the hall. I acknowledge that Lowry and Derozan require different arguments as to why, of course. I suspect Lowry will also get into the Hall, even if I don't believe he should.
