Luka on pace to lead the playoffs in Total PTS/REB/AST

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Re: Luka on pace to lead the playoffs in Total PTS/REB/AST 

Post#61 » by Fencer reregistered » Tue Jun 11, 2024 10:23 pm

hagredionis wrote:Not only will he lead the playoffs in points, rebounds, assists but also in steals and 3-points made.


That becomes easier when your series are long, while another team is racing through its bracket.

Has Luka dominated any one series this year in stats like that?

Obviously he hasn't on the level that Tatum did in the Cleveland series, but perhaps some lesser accomplishment?
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Post#62 » by CobraCommander » Tue Jun 11, 2024 10:23 pm

HotRocks34 wrote:Ok, this is the 16th clip of Luka playing good/smart defense from the first two games of the Finals.

There are probably more clips out there, but the point has been made.

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He got blown by and the help defender stood in lane waiting ?
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Post#63 » by Archx » Tue Jun 11, 2024 10:35 pm

The "X player plays no defense" brigade out in full force after 2 games. Everyone was silent when Mavs played LAC, OKC and Wolves. Suddenly predictable bunch of people saw a carrot on the stick and are chasing it like wild rabbits.

But hey, if Mavs (by some miracle) managed to shoot above 15% from open 3's (Kyrie at 0%... 0/8), i guess this topic wouldn't have existed and we would be having a totally different conversations.

I think also it's a bit harder to move in any direction if you dealing with this type of huge health issues that you have to take pain injections. I wonder how many of you geniuses would be able to play top defense with a sprained knee alone.

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Post#64 » by dygaction » Tue Jun 11, 2024 10:56 pm

Archx wrote:The "X player plays no defense" brigade out in full force after 2 games. Everyone was silent when Mavs played LAC, OKC and Wolves. Suddenly predictable bunch of people saw a carrot on the stick and are chasing it like wild rabbits.

But hey, if Mavs (by some miracle) managed to shoot above 15% from open 3's (Kyrie at 0%... 0/8), i guess this topic wouldn't have existed and we would be having a totally different conversations.

I think also it's a bit harder to move in any direction if you dealing with this type of huge health issues that you have to take pain injections. I wonder how many of you geniuses would be able to play top defense with a sprained knee alone.

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According to Tim MacMahone and the doctor, the injection was for the numb of thoracic contusion in the rib/chest area with the potential risk of collapsing the lung. Because the nerves and pain are blocked by the injection, a player may have to avoid collision to lower the chance of causing severe damage that is not even detectable to him at the time.

Luka has been blamed for not playing defense, not sharing the ball, not playing great in the fourth... but this is at NBA finals level all against world top athletes. He has to find a balance between these games and his long career. He needs to be on the court if discounted him is still better than the sub, but he even full healthy, the idea with Kyrie was to have someone shoulder part of the load instead of grinding him 4 quarters.

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Re: Luka on pace to lead the playoffs in Total PTS/REB/AST 

Post#65 » by HotRocks34 » Tue Jun 11, 2024 11:05 pm

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HotRocks34 wrote:Ok, this is the 16th clip of Luka playing good/smart defense from the first two games of the Finals.

There are probably more clips out there, but the point has been made.

Read on Twitter

He got blown by and the help defender stood in lane waiting ?


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Post#66 » by Archx » Wed Jun 12, 2024 12:19 am

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CobraCommander wrote:
HotRocks34 wrote:Ok, this is the 16th clip of Luka playing good/smart defense from the first two games of the Finals.

There are probably more clips out there, but the point has been made.

Read on Twitter

He got blown by and the help defender stood in lane waiting ?


Can't have a Luka thread without a Cobra sighting. :P


If Cobra played in the NBA, he would be a better defender than MJ even though he would be barely standing up and taking painkiller injections. But it's easier to be a smart ass from the safety of our home posting some montage videos a troll twitter user made :D
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Post#67 » by Hobo4President » Wed Jun 12, 2024 12:57 am

It's very impressive but I don't think it's as impressive as it looks on the outset considering all the other superstars who would challenge him in these categories got knocked out pretty early.
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Post#68 » by tyresemaxeystan » Wed Jun 12, 2024 1:13 am

Hobo4President wrote:It's very impressive but I don't think it's as impressive as it looks on the outset considering all the other superstars who would challenge him in these categories got knocked out pretty early.


He did knock quite a few of these superstars out though
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Post#69 » by Handlez » Wed Jun 12, 2024 1:25 am

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Post#70 » by durden_tyler » Wed Jun 12, 2024 4:29 am

Myth wrote:Super impressive on offense, very disappointing on defense. As a Blazers fan, watching Luka is like watching a bigger, slower Damian Lillard.

Lillard’s a career loser though so at least Luka have that over Dame.


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Post#71 » by Uncle Mxy » Wed Jun 12, 2024 8:01 am

BrooklynDynasty wrote:
Uncle Mxy wrote:Will Luka be the second player on a losing team to win Finals MVP? That's when this thread could get interesting.


if this soft as charmin baby s**t league gives the finals mvp to a player who got swept or only wins one game then just shut down the league, party's over, there will never be a bigger joke than that :lol:

My point is that Luka leading in playoff PTS/REB/AST isn''t that interesting.

Wake me up if'n'when Boston wins and he sniffs Finals MVP.
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Post#72 » by KGtabake » Wed Jun 12, 2024 9:57 am

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KGtabake wrote:
HotRocks34 wrote:
As great as Luka is, it's still hard for me to put him over Jokic as the best player in the game. Maybe 1A and 1B.


It's not just hard. It's blasphemy.
Until he becomes passable in defense, he will remain a top 5 player for his offense alone.
Jokic is significantly better in defense, just like the other 3 players who are better than Doncic.
Alexander, Giannis, Embiid.


Nah. Luka is #2, at worst.

33/9/9 and leading his team to the Finals at 25 years old.

The "Luka can't play defense" thing is long gone. This is playoff RAPTOR. The second column is defense.

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Luka also was positive (good) in the regular season.

If you want to say Giannis is better, ok. I can see that even though I don't agree. Giannis is a dominant player and deserves his props.

Jokic is Jokic. He's the top dog IMO.

Embiid is constantly injured and doesn't get it done in the playoffs. I can't put him over Luka right now.

Shai is great but he doesn't have the top gear Luka does. Shai is a nova and Luka is a supernova. Shai is steadier than Luka but Luka's ceiling is higher.

So, at worst, Luka is #3 for me. Best guard in the league and only now really refining his game with the right roster, coach and front office.

Flowers to Kidd. He's done a better job than I thought he would.



He ain't #2. Not even close to it.
Defense matters and it shows in these Finals.
Look how many times Tatum has just blowed by him.
He doesn't even try. I'm not talking about random steals here and there. I'm talking about constant effort.
Steals and blocks are not a measure for defensive ability.
If that was the case Hassan Whiteside would still be playing and he would be regarded as an elite defender as well. That wasn't the case. He was horrible and he was just taking advantage of his size for blocking shots.

Doncic isn't on the level of Jokic or Giannis for sure and i would take Alexander or Embiid above him as well.

Jokic isn't a great defender by any means but he's not totally indifferent like Luka is. His personal assignment can't do whatever he wants. He does care.

Giannis is on another level as well since he can impact the game on both sides.

Embiid and Alexander are also two way stars.

Even Curry who is regarded as a one way superstar, wasn't that bad on defense. He didn't have the size and on many occasions the Warriors had to hide him but he was trying. That's what pisses me off with Luka. What's the point of generating 50-60 points per game(scoring and assisting) if you give back 40?
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Post#73 » by Bob8 » Wed Jun 12, 2024 10:08 am

KGtabake wrote:
HotRocks34 wrote:
KGtabake wrote:
It's not just hard. It's blasphemy.
Until he becomes passable in defense, he will remain a top 5 player for his offense alone.
Jokic is significantly better in defense, just like the other 3 players who are better than Doncic.
Alexander, Giannis, Embiid.


Nah. Luka is #2, at worst.

33/9/9 and leading his team to the Finals at 25 years old.

The "Luka can't play defense" thing is long gone. This is playoff RAPTOR. The second column is defense.

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Luka also was positive (good) in the regular season.

If you want to say Giannis is better, ok. I can see that even though I don't agree. Giannis is a dominant player and deserves his props.

Jokic is Jokic. He's the top dog IMO.

Embiid is constantly injured and doesn't get it done in the playoffs. I can't put him over Luka right now.

Shai is great but he doesn't have the top gear Luka does. Shai is a nova and Luka is a supernova. Shai is steadier than Luka but Luka's ceiling is higher.

So, at worst, Luka is #3 for me. Best guard in the league and only now really refining his game with the right roster, coach and front office.

Flowers to Kidd. He's done a better job than I thought he would.



He ain't #2. Not even close to it.
Defense matters and it shows in these Finals.
Look how many times Tatum has just blowed by him.
He doesn't even try. I'm not talking about random steals here and there. I'm talking about constant effort.
Steals and blocks are not a measure for defensive ability.
If that was the case Hassan Whiteside would still be playing and he would be regarded as an elite defender as well. That wasn't the case. He was horrible and he was just taking advantage of his size for blocking shots.

Doncic isn't on the level of Jokic or Giannis for sure and i would take Alexander or Embiid above him as well.

Jokic isn't a great defender by any means but he's not totally indifferent like Luka is. His personal assignment can't do whatever he wants. He does care.

Giannis is on another level as well since he can impact the game on both sides.

Embiid and Alexander are also two way stars.

Even Curry who is regarded as a one way superstar, wasn't that bad on defense. He didn't have the size and on many occasions the Warriors had to hide him but he was trying. That's what pisses me off with Luka. What's the point of generating 50-60 points per game(scoring and assisting) if you give back 40?


Just remind me. What's Tatum's FG% in this series?

Luka can't defend quicker players, like Curry can't, but he can, because of his height and strength, provide solid team D, can rebound well and is good in steals. Luka has far the most steals in playoffs and is 3rd in avg. steals, kinda impressive. You should put his height, strength and rebounding in consideration, when you compare him to Curry. One on one D against quicker players is not everything in D. Luka does things in D that some other guards can't. And he can't do some things other guards can. You just can't evaluate him, like he's 6'2, 190.
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Post#74 » by LaLover11 » Wed Jun 12, 2024 10:40 am

This is a crazy stat
I don't understand why he's a bad free throw shooter

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Post#75 » by CD_41 » Wed Jun 12, 2024 11:29 am

LaLover11 wrote:This is a crazy stat
I don't understand why he's a bad free throw shooter

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Ever heard of the term "sample size"?
Luka: 2 games. Shaq: 30 games.
He is 6-13, that percentage will change a lot.

I'll give you an example so you'll understand this:
It is possible that you ever create a good thread one day?
Sure: and for that one day it would seem like you're a great poster.
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Post#76 » by LaLover11 » Wed Jun 12, 2024 11:58 am

CD_41 wrote:
LaLover11 wrote:This is a crazy stat
I don't understand why he's a bad free throw shooter

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Ever heard of the term "sample size"?
Luka: 2 games. Shaq: 30 games.
He is 6-13, that percentage will change a lot.

I'll give you an example so you'll understand this:
It is possible that you ever create a good thread one day?
Sure: and for that one day it would seem like you're a great poster.
But: over the sample size of the one year you've been around here the "good thread to bad thread ratio" would still be
1/50 e.g. you're still a bad poster and troll :)


Aww I like you too :clap:
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Post#77 » by CD_41 » Wed Jun 12, 2024 12:08 pm

LaLover11 wrote:
CD_41 wrote:
LaLover11 wrote:This is a crazy stat
I don't understand why he's a bad free throw shooter

Read on Twitter


Ever heard of the term "sample size"?
Luka: 2 games. Shaq: 30 games.
He is 6-13, that percentage will change a lot.

I'll give you an example so you'll understand this:
It is possible that you ever create a good thread one day?
Sure: and for that one day it would seem like you're a great poster.
But: over the sample size of the one year you've been around here the "good thread to bad thread ratio" would still be
1/50 e.g. you're still a bad poster and troll :)


Aww I like you too :clap:


I think that I'd actually like you in reality since you always seem to be friendly.
But in here not so much. Trolling can be fun sometimes, but at least do it right, will you?
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Post#78 » by KG Leonard » Wed Jun 12, 2024 12:26 pm

Mr B wrote:
KG Leonard wrote:He should, he has the ball 20 sec of every 24 seconds in their ball possessions. It was more impressive when Jokic did last years playoffs since he averages half of the minutes on the ball compared to Luka.

I'm looking forward to after the finals so people can stop comparing the Luka hype to the offensive genius that is Jokic, who also is pretty decent defender. A terrible defender playing like prime Harden with Lebron size isn't unstoppable like Jokic.

You’re expecting the Luka hype to die down after the Finals?

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If Celtics wins the series, he doesn't have the magic of underdog superstar can't fail media love. Losing series calms everything down.

The guy is known for beating Suns, Gobert and co. Giannis got criticised the year after his finals MVP.
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Post#79 » by KGtabake » Wed Jun 12, 2024 6:21 pm

Bob8 wrote:
KGtabake wrote:
HotRocks34 wrote:
Nah. Luka is #2, at worst.

33/9/9 and leading his team to the Finals at 25 years old.

The "Luka can't play defense" thing is long gone. This is playoff RAPTOR. The second column is defense.

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Luka also was positive (good) in the regular season.

If you want to say Giannis is better, ok. I can see that even though I don't agree. Giannis is a dominant player and deserves his props.

Jokic is Jokic. He's the top dog IMO.

Embiid is constantly injured and doesn't get it done in the playoffs. I can't put him over Luka right now.

Shai is great but he doesn't have the top gear Luka does. Shai is a nova and Luka is a supernova. Shai is steadier than Luka but Luka's ceiling is higher.

So, at worst, Luka is #3 for me. Best guard in the league and only now really refining his game with the right roster, coach and front office.

Flowers to Kidd. He's done a better job than I thought he would.



He ain't #2. Not even close to it.
Defense matters and it shows in these Finals.
Look how many times Tatum has just blowed by him.
He doesn't even try. I'm not talking about random steals here and there. I'm talking about constant effort.
Steals and blocks are not a measure for defensive ability.
If that was the case Hassan Whiteside would still be playing and he would be regarded as an elite defender as well. That wasn't the case. He was horrible and he was just taking advantage of his size for blocking shots.

Doncic isn't on the level of Jokic or Giannis for sure and i would take Alexander or Embiid above him as well.

Jokic isn't a great defender by any means but he's not totally indifferent like Luka is. His personal assignment can't do whatever he wants. He does care.

Giannis is on another level as well since he can impact the game on both sides.

Embiid and Alexander are also two way stars.

Even Curry who is regarded as a one way superstar, wasn't that bad on defense. He didn't have the size and on many occasions the Warriors had to hide him but he was trying. That's what pisses me off with Luka. What's the point of generating 50-60 points per game(scoring and assisting) if you give back 40?


Just remind me. What's Tatum's FG% in this series?

Luka can't defend quicker players, like Curry can't, but he can, because of his height and strength, provide solid team D, can rebound well and is good in steals. Luka has far the most steals in playoffs and is 3rd in avg. steals, kinda impressive. You should put his height, strength and rebounding in consideration, when you compare him to Curry. One on one D against quicker players is not everything in D. Luka does things in D that some other guards can't. And he can't do some things other guards can. You just can't evaluate him, like he's 6'2, 190.


Did you even watch the video posted on the first page of the thread?
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Post#80 » by CobraCommander » Thu Jun 13, 2024 3:39 am

Archx wrote:
HotRocks34 wrote:
CobraCommander wrote:He got blown by and the help defender stood in lane waiting ?


Can't have a Luka thread without a Cobra sighting. :P


If Cobra played in the NBA, he would be a better defender than MJ even though he would be barely standing up and taking painkiller injections. But it's easier to be a smart ass from the safety of our home posting some montage videos a troll twitter user made :D

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