Where Does Kevin Durant Rank All Time?

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Where Does Durant Rank All Time?

1. 6th-10th All Time
8
5%
2. 11th-13th All Time
25
17%
3. 14th-16th All Time
31
21%
4.. 17th-19th All Time
45
31%
5. 20th-22nd All Time
17
12%
6. 23rd-25th All Time
5
3%
7. 26th-30th All Time
8
5%
8. Outside Top 30 All Time
7
5%
 
Total votes: 146

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Re: Where Does Kevin Durant Rank All Time? 

Post#61 » by shi-woo » Mon Nov 25, 2024 3:31 pm

I love these threads, as people bash and belitle KD and then elevate guys like KAJ, Shaq, Kobe, LeBon and others who forced themselves to better/THE BEST situations :lol: KD should have just went to the Lakers, all would have been forgiven :lol: I obviously don't care about what he did, he already proved he could lead a team to a finals in OKC, GS just proved that he could finish it.

KD ultimately is 2 for 4 in the finals, and is the best offensive player of his generation, arguably ever outside of Jokic. His versatility on defense is also always overlooked, as very few players have been able to guard the perimeter, and be the weak side help on defense. We saw how that looked when done right in GS, and it was devastating.

From a skill standpoint, KD is easily Top 10, and there won't be much arguments against it. From a skill and career standpoint, it gets a little tricky, and I said 17-19, but did so with the expectation that Jokic and a few others will surpass him. Right now, he's actually closer to 10 than most of his detractors would want you to believe.

He's already a tier above Malone and Barkley, and all your favorite players who didn't win rings. He's just more of a threat than your favorite players who only won 1 but were more one dimentional like Dirk and KD.

He will always be a tier below guys like MAgic and Bird/Kobe because he doesn't have the accolades, and those guys were GOATs of their era respectively.

So ultimately KD's final resting place in the rankings will come come down to how much you value him more than Hakeem, Wade, and other players of that calibur. I think he's better than Wade, and slightly behind Hakeem unless he collects more hardware. So I rank him 12th right now All-Time.

He's essentially Dirk/TMac on offense, and Bosh on defense. People saying Giannis over KD are strait bugging
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Re: Where Does Kevin Durant Rank All Time? 

Post#62 » by dhsilv2 » Mon Nov 25, 2024 3:32 pm

These ranges are way too narrow but 17-25 seems reasonable?

There are just some hard to rank guys. Mikan, Dr J, and Moses are always hard for me. Do I officially move Jokic over KD? Heck Giannis vs KD is an interesting one, and neither is doing much to help themselves this year (which likely favors KD).

Guys in his range. Robinson, Dirk, CP3, Moses, Nash, Wade, Chuck.
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Post#63 » by Blame Rasho » Mon Nov 25, 2024 3:41 pm

The issue of him not being a bus driver will always hinder him vs guys who won as bus drivers for their respective teams. The fact that he has not had much if not any success after the warriors doesn’t reflect well on him. The addition that he has played with so many great players in his career really dings him at least in my eyes.
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Post#64 » by Joao Saraiva » Mon Nov 25, 2024 3:52 pm

For me it's a lock he's not a top 10 player.

Top 10 in no order:
KAJ, Bron, MJ, Russell, Wilt, Duncan, Shaq, Hakeem, Magic and Jokic

Then I don't think he's yet to surpass other guys. Some of them cause he's not available enough, some because he's not as good as or as accomplished. I'd confidently have ahead of him:
Kobe (who I just put out of my top 10 for Jokic lately)
Steph Curry
Larry Bird
Karl Malone
Dirk Nowitzki
Kevin Garnett
Oscar Robertson

I'd have to see where he stands now as I don't update, but 17-22 would be my guess. I'm voting 17th-19th, but I might take Wade and Jerry West over him too. I'll also have to check Giannis who has had a monster NBA career so far.
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Re: Where Does Kevin Durant Rank All Time? 

Post#65 » by NZB2323 » Mon Nov 25, 2024 5:04 pm

bubonicphoniks wrote:
KGtabake wrote:1. MJ
2. LeBron
3. Wilt
4. Jabbar
5. Magic
6. Bird
7. Duncan
8. Shaq
9. Kobe
10. Russell
11. Steph
12. Hakeem
13. M. Malone
14. Giannis
15. Jokic
16. Durant
Giannis over KD is nuts


Compare their teammates when they won the title.
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Post#66 » by KGtabake » Mon Nov 25, 2024 5:51 pm

bubonicphoniks wrote:
KGtabake wrote:1. MJ
2. LeBron
3. Wilt
4. Jabbar
5. Magic
6. Bird
7. Duncan
8. Shaq
9. Kobe
10. Russell
11. Steph
12. Hakeem
13. M. Malone
14. Giannis
15. Jokic
16. Durant
Giannis over KD is nuts


5 all defense teams and a DPOY say otherwise.
Winning at Milwaukee vs winning at Golden State say otherwise.
Giannis 2019-2024(and counting) has 6 straight seasons finishing in the top4 in MVP voting.
The guy is still 29 to 30.
There's not a single accolade he doesn't have.
MVP? Finals MVP? DPOY? All NBA firsts? All Defense Firsts? Even the secondaries. All Star MVP, MIP, All Rookie.
You won't find any other player in history having won everything at the age of 26 except MJ.
Hakeem made it as well later on.

He's ahead and when his career is over this will not even be a conversation.
Giannis will run for a top10 all time ranking. He has at least 4-5 seasons remaining on the highest level.
For KD that ship has sailed.

Edit. Hell, the guy might even win a scoring title soon. He's not even a natural scorer. Bad in free throws, no 3s. That's greatness dude.
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Post#67 » by dhsilv2 » Mon Nov 25, 2024 5:53 pm

Blame Rasho wrote:The issue of him not being a bus driver will always hinder him vs guys who won as bus drivers for their respective teams. The fact that he has not had much if not any success after the warriors doesn’t reflect well on him. The addition that he has played with so many great players in his career really dings him at least in my eyes.


Whoever came up with this bus driver thing should be punished. The bus driver is essentially the least important person on a bus. Thus they are the driver taking the important people somewhere. It's just so dumb.
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Re: Where Does Kevin Durant Rank All Time? 

Post#68 » by dhsilv2 » Mon Nov 25, 2024 5:54 pm

Joao Saraiva wrote:For me it's a lock he's not a top 10 player.

Top 10 in no order:
KAJ, Bron, MJ, Russell, Wilt, Duncan, Shaq, Hakeem, Magic and Jokic

Then I don't think he's yet to surpass other guys. Some of them cause he's not available enough, some because he's not as good as or as accomplished. I'd confidently have ahead of him:
Kobe (who I just put out of my top 10 for Jokic lately)
Steph Curry
Larry Bird
Karl Malone
Dirk Nowitzki
Kevin Garnett
Oscar Robertson

I'd have to see where he stands now as I don't update, but 17-22 would be my guess. I'm voting 17th-19th, but I might take Wade and Jerry West over him too. I'll also have to check Giannis who has had a monster NBA career so far.


Oscar clearly over West? Sorry...KD ranking is boring. West vs Oscar is at least more fun :)
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Post#69 » by Joao Saraiva » Mon Nov 25, 2024 5:57 pm

dhsilv2 wrote:
Joao Saraiva wrote:For me it's a lock he's not a top 10 player.

Top 10 in no order:
KAJ, Bron, MJ, Russell, Wilt, Duncan, Shaq, Hakeem, Magic and Jokic

Then I don't think he's yet to surpass other guys. Some of them cause he's not available enough, some because he's not as good as or as accomplished. I'd confidently have ahead of him:
Kobe (who I just put out of my top 10 for Jokic lately)
Steph Curry
Larry Bird
Karl Malone
Dirk Nowitzki
Kevin Garnett
Oscar Robertson

I'd have to see where he stands now as I don't update, but 17-22 would be my guess. I'm voting 17th-19th, but I might take Wade and Jerry West over him too. I'll also have to check Giannis who has had a monster NBA career so far.


Oscar clearly over West? Sorry...KD ranking is boring. West vs Oscar is at least more fun :)


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Post#70 » by Joao Saraiva » Mon Nov 25, 2024 5:59 pm

dhsilv2 wrote:
Joao Saraiva wrote:For me it's a lock he's not a top 10 player.

Top 10 in no order:
KAJ, Bron, MJ, Russell, Wilt, Duncan, Shaq, Hakeem, Magic and Jokic

Then I don't think he's yet to surpass other guys. Some of them cause he's not available enough, some because he's not as good as or as accomplished. I'd confidently have ahead of him:
Kobe (who I just put out of my top 10 for Jokic lately)
Steph Curry
Larry Bird
Karl Malone
Dirk Nowitzki
Kevin Garnett
Oscar Robertson

I'd have to see where he stands now as I don't update, but 17-22 would be my guess. I'm voting 17th-19th, but I might take Wade and Jerry West over him too. I'll also have to check Giannis who has had a monster NBA career so far.


Oscar clearly over West? Sorry...KD ranking is boring. West vs Oscar is at least more fun :)


Not clearly. Just writing and thinking along. Ranking KD is actually fun. Missing games cutting what seems a fine longevity at 1st, not too many accodales (1 MVP), two rings that add a lot less to his cause than rings usually do... I mean, it's fun. I'd say it's not ourageous to include Moses in the discussion, possibly forgetting some other players.
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Re: Where Does Kevin Durant Rank All Time? 

Post#71 » by Stan » Mon Nov 25, 2024 6:03 pm

I don’t even factor in his Warriors rings and he’s still in the 15-20 range for me.
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Post#72 » by dhsilv2 » Mon Nov 25, 2024 6:06 pm

Joao Saraiva wrote:
dhsilv2 wrote:
Joao Saraiva wrote:For me it's a lock he's not a top 10 player.

Top 10 in no order:
KAJ, Bron, MJ, Russell, Wilt, Duncan, Shaq, Hakeem, Magic and Jokic

Then I don't think he's yet to surpass other guys. Some of them cause he's not available enough, some because he's not as good as or as accomplished. I'd confidently have ahead of him:
Kobe (who I just put out of my top 10 for Jokic lately)
Steph Curry
Larry Bird
Karl Malone
Dirk Nowitzki
Kevin Garnett
Oscar Robertson

I'd have to see where he stands now as I don't update, but 17-22 would be my guess. I'm voting 17th-19th, but I might take Wade and Jerry West over him too. I'll also have to check Giannis who has had a monster NBA career so far.


Oscar clearly over West? Sorry...KD ranking is boring. West vs Oscar is at least more fun :)


Not clearly. Just writing and thinking along. Ranking KD is actually fun. Missing games cutting what seems a fine longevity at 1st, not too many accodales (1 MVP), two rings that add a lot less to his cause than rings usually do... I mean, it's fun. I'd say it's not ourageous to include Moses in the discussion, possibly forgetting some other players.


The problem with ranking KD is a couple things.

First, he's not done and that's just kinda what it is.

Second, we can't all open with discussing how we rank. So someone polorizing like KD, it just turns into a monkey poo flinging contest where we aren't talking to eachother...which we do (myself included) all the time here. But it's worse when by all our definitions being both not disclosed but not even thought about it becomes esoteric.
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Post#73 » by Joao Saraiva » Mon Nov 25, 2024 6:17 pm

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Joao Saraiva wrote:
dhsilv2 wrote:
Oscar clearly over West? Sorry...KD ranking is boring. West vs Oscar is at least more fun :)


Not clearly. Just writing and thinking along. Ranking KD is actually fun. Missing games cutting what seems a fine longevity at 1st, not too many accodales (1 MVP), two rings that add a lot less to his cause than rings usually do... I mean, it's fun. I'd say it's not ourageous to include Moses in the discussion, possibly forgetting some other players.


The problem with ranking KD is a couple things.

First, he's not done and that's just kinda what it is.

Second, we can't all open with discussing how we rank. So someone polorizing like KD, it just turns into a monkey poo flinging contest where we aren't talking to eachother...which we do (myself included) all the time here. But it's worse when by all our definitions being both not disclosed but not even thought about it becomes esoteric.


I'm actually pretty ok with other rankings very different from my own. I can accept people with KG in the top 10, for me he's clearly not but I get the argument. I can see someone having KD close to #10, but for me he's just not there for various reasons. If someone says he's knocking on top 10 ever I'm ok with reading what they have to say.

If it's well justified then I can accept and even see something I'm not including in my own criteria that might be relevant. For me the missing games are what actually hurt him the most, as I like to count production and injuries are a part of the game, but not being available hurts players the way I see it (obviously nothing less than 10 games missed penalizes the player for me).

About him not being done... yeah, there is always time to climb. To go down, for me, it's just if someone leaps him. Players add per season the way I see it, there are no negatives. They can have very few points tough.
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Re: Where Does Kevin Durant Rank All Time? 

Post#74 » by dhsilv2 » Mon Nov 25, 2024 6:23 pm

Joao Saraiva wrote:
dhsilv2 wrote:
Joao Saraiva wrote:
Not clearly. Just writing and thinking along. Ranking KD is actually fun. Missing games cutting what seems a fine longevity at 1st, not too many accodales (1 MVP), two rings that add a lot less to his cause than rings usually do... I mean, it's fun. I'd say it's not ourageous to include Moses in the discussion, possibly forgetting some other players.


The problem with ranking KD is a couple things.

First, he's not done and that's just kinda what it is.

Second, we can't all open with discussing how we rank. So someone polorizing like KD, it just turns into a monkey poo flinging contest where we aren't talking to eachother...which we do (myself included) all the time here. But it's worse when by all our definitions being both not disclosed but not even thought about it becomes esoteric.


I'm actually pretty ok with other rankings very different from my own. I can accept people with KG in the top 10, for me he's clearly not but I get the argument. I can see someone having KD close to #10, but for me he's just not there for various reasons. If someone says he's knocking on top 10 ever I'm ok with reading what they have to say.

If it's well justified then I can accept and even see something I'm not including in my own criteria that might be relevant. For me the missing games are what actually hurt him the most, as I like to count production and injuries are a part of the game, but not being available hurts players the way I see it (obviously nothing less than 10 games missed penalizes the player for me).

About him not being done... yeah, there is always time to climb. To go down, for me, it's just if someone leaps him. Players add per season the way I see it, there are no negatives. They can have very few points tough.


I don't mind a different set of criteria and thus different rankings...assuming they are consistent. Case and point you can't argue Lebron is the GOAT and lean on advanced metrics and longevity for your criteria and then leave KG out of your top 10. But if you're all about rings and titles and you're more about "top 10 awarded" ok...maybe KG falls a few spots, totally fair. If your focus is on peak, you might rank Walton top 50. You might already have Jokic and Giannis in your top 12. But you can't tell me you really care about peak and then really fight hard for Parish to be top 50.

The key is criteria has to be explained. Not just back and fourth, no that's stupid, he isn't better than xyz when you're not talking about the same thing.
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Post#75 » by Blame Rasho » Mon Nov 25, 2024 6:59 pm

dhsilv2 wrote:
Blame Rasho wrote:The issue of him not being a bus driver will always hinder him vs guys who won as bus drivers for their respective teams. The fact that he has not had much if not any success after the warriors doesn’t reflect well on him. The addition that he has played with so many great players in his career really dings him at least in my eyes.


Whoever came up with this bus driver thing should be punished. The bus driver is essentially the least important person on a bus. Thus they are the driver taking the important people somewhere. It's just so dumb.


Look at you and your hissy fit… hahaha
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Post#76 » by dhsilv2 » Mon Nov 25, 2024 7:08 pm

Blame Rasho wrote:
dhsilv2 wrote:
Blame Rasho wrote:The issue of him not being a bus driver will always hinder him vs guys who won as bus drivers for their respective teams. The fact that he has not had much if not any success after the warriors doesn’t reflect well on him. The addition that he has played with so many great players in his career really dings him at least in my eyes.


Whoever came up with this bus driver thing should be punished. The bus driver is essentially the least important person on a bus. Thus they are the driver taking the important people somewhere. It's just so dumb.


Look at you and your hissy fit… hahaha


It's been too long! It's been too talked about! A man just breaks eventually!
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Post#77 » by Blame Rasho » Mon Nov 25, 2024 7:26 pm

dhsilv2 wrote:It's been too long! It's been too talked about! A man just breaks eventually!


It is okay amigo…

Like it been said, everyone has their own criteria. I am of the opinion that guys who somehow and someway forged their way to get a ring should be held to a higher esteem. I look at Dream, M Malone, Giannis, Joker,Dirk,KG, Wade higher because of the “Bus Driver” methodology when they have similar achievements. KD is a great all time player but he isn’t * infallible. You use both tangible and intangible items to measure players.
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Post#78 » by 12footrim » Mon Nov 25, 2024 7:34 pm

I ranked him 9th two years ago.

https://theresourcenexus.com/100-greatest-nba-players-of-all-time/

I'd move Jokic over him today after winning a title and on track to win his 4th MVP in 5 years.

2 years back, my rankings...

1 Michael Jordan 27.91 28.6 9.21 1072 6 5
2 LeBron James 27.25 28.24 8.77 1413 4 4
3 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 24.58 23.01 5.74 1560 6 6
4 Magic Johnson 24.11 22.95 7.54 906 5 3
5 Wilt Chamberlain 26.16 22.75 1045 2 4
6 Shaquille O’Neal 26.43 26.13 5.15 1207 4 1
7 Larry Bird 23.5 21.41 6.89 897 3 3
8 Tim Duncan 24.22 24.28 5.62 1392 5 2
9 Kevin Durant 25.31 24.31 6.79 979 2 1
10 Stephen Curry 23.87 23.23 6.58 864 4 2
11 Nikola Jokic 27.6 29.0 9.35 582 1 2
12 Karl Malone 23.9 21.12 5.14 1476 0 2
13 Hakeem Olajuwon 23.59 25.69 4.65 2 2 1
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Post#79 » by dhsilv2 » Mon Nov 25, 2024 7:34 pm

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dhsilv2 wrote:It's been too long! It's been too talked about! A man just breaks eventually!


It is okay amigo…

Like it been said, everyone has their own criteria. I am of the opinion that guys who somehow and someway forged their way to get a ring should be held to a higher esteem. I look at Dream, M Malone, Giannis, Joker,Dirk,KG, Wade higher because of the “Bus Driver” methodology when they have similar achievements. KD is a great all time player but he isn’t without infallible.


Well again I don't like this "least important person" stuff you're doing.

But M Malone? You mean KD's beta?
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Post#80 » by bwgood77 » Mon Nov 25, 2024 7:37 pm

17-19 - I think you have to be the clear cut leader of a championship team to be at the very top. While he did win those finals MVPs with the Warriors, we all know who were the leaders of the team and that they were already a championship team and had broken the season wins record. He's a top shooter of all time though.
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