Where can Lavine thrive ?

[Scalabrine]

Isaac and Cole Anthony for Lavine?

Carter/Bitadze/Wagner
Banchero/DeSilva
Wagner/Howard/Houston
Lavine/KCP/Harris
Suggs/Black/Joseph

Yeah...no. You need another 20-30m to balance the salaries I think. Lavine is too expensive

I don't believe that's true actually.



I couldn't try this trade in the ESPN trade checker as Isaac isn't eligible to be traded till Jan 6th, but the trade works in the realgm checker if you override the restriction on Isaac and assume that it's taking place in January.

I think Isaac's contract is a weird one due to his deal being renegotiated before it was over, and his cap hit this season (after Jan 6th) is 25m, despite his average salary in his new contract being far less than that.

As a result, the Magic should be able to trade Isaac (25m) and Anthony (12.9m) for Lavine (43m), since the Magic aren't over the Luxury tax this season.

The problem for the Magic regarding this trade financially, however, is that next year F.Wagner's and Sugg's huge extensions kicks in, and they would be dangerously close, if not over the second apron if they take on the remainder of Lavine's deal starting next season. So you would basically be going all in for a championship this season, and would need to start cutting costs as early as next year in order to keep competing.

It's an interesting scenario though that I never thought about before, mainly because it only seems to work financially because of Isaac's unique contract situation (and the fact that the Magic technically have a relatively low payroll right now as their 2 big extensions haven't kicked in yet)

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[Scalabrine]

Yeah... a member of the 3 headed monster. He wont get the opponents best defender om him so he can feast. Also, the other 4 players with him can cover his slack defensively.

Isaac and Cole Anthony for Lavine?

Carter/Bitadze/Wagner
Banchero/DeSilva
Wagner/Howard/Houston
Lavine/KCP/Harris
Suggs/Black/Joseph

Yeah...no. You need another 20-30m to balance the salaries I think. Lavine is too expensive

It works from a salary perspective. I just don't really like the fit.

[Dez]

Isaac and Cole Anthony for Lavine?

Carter/Bitadze/Wagner
Banchero/DeSilva
Wagner/Howard/Houston
Lavine/KCP/Harris
Suggs/Black/Joseph

Yeah...no. You need another 20-30m to balance the salaries I think. Lavine is too expensive

It works from a salary perspective. I just don't really like the fit.

It's literally a perfect fit.

LaVine has become underrated, dude is an elite scoring talent and is not the horrible defender people make him out to be.

[RookieStar]

Isaac and Cole Anthony for Lavine?

Carter/Bitadze/Wagner
Banchero/DeSilva
Wagner/Howard/Houston
Lavine/KCP/Harris
Suggs/Black/Joseph

Yeah...no. You need another 20-30m to balance the salaries I think. Lavine is too expensive

It works from a salary perspective. I just don't really like the fit.

Lavine on paper is a perfect fit for me. Just that when the salary extensiona kicks in... we are dead.

[TheHartBreakKid]

Yeah...no. You need another 20-30m to balance the salaries I think. Lavine is too expensive

It works from a salary perspective. I just don't really like the fit.

It's literally a perfect fit.

LaVine has become underrated, dude is an elite scoring talent and is not the horrible defender people make him out to be.

I don't personally hate the fit for the Magic if you ignore financials. They have some solid bigs, Banchero and Wagner have shown potential as playmaking forwards, and Suggs/KCP/Lavine give you a lot of options to work, being a decent fit defensively and offensively.

However, it comes down to the fact that the Magic would have to break that team up as early as next year. I don't agree with how Minnesota cut costs, but their moves this offseason is a great example of how important it is for teams to stay below the second tax apron.

With a potential Lavine trade, the Magic's payroll next year would be:


Lavine: 46mm
F.Wagner: 38.6m
Suggs: 35m
KCP: 21.6m
Banchero: 15.3m
Carter: 10.85m
Bitadze: 8.3m
Black: 8m

Thats over 183m for 8 players.

That makes it virtually impossible to avoid the second apron.

That's assuming you don't pick up any of your other team options, including that of Mo Wagner's.

That means you basically only have vet minimums to fill out the rest of your roster unless you manage to dump some salary, not to mention the other restrictions that come with being over the second apron....and that's excluding the Extension you have to give to Banchero which will kick in for 26-27.

Basically, a Lavine trade would only make sense if it makes the Magic a legitimate contender, as early as this year or next. Even if ends up being a great fit basketball wise, it's a terrible fit financial wise and timeline wise.

Before the new CBA, sure, I would tell the Magic to go for it, assuming they ownership was willing to spend more on the luxury tax. But in the current CBA, it's not just about how much the ownership spends....it's a whole other level of restrictions that makes this incredibly unlikely from the Orlando side.

[stuporman]

China?

[Magic_Johnny12]

It works from a salary perspective. I just don't really like the fit.

It's literally a perfect fit.

LaVine has become underrated, dude is an elite scoring talent and is not the horrible defender people make him out to be.

I don't personally hate the fit for the Magic if you ignore financials. They have some solid bigs, Banchero and Wagner have shown potential as playmaking forwards, and Suggs/KCP/Lavine give you a lot of options to work, being a decent fit defensively and offensively.

However, it comes down to the fact that the Magic would have to break that team up as early as next year. I don't agree with how Minnesota cut costs, but their moves this offseason is a great example of how important it is for teams to stay below the second tax apron.

With a potential Lavine trade, the Magic's payroll next year would be:


Lavine: 46mm
F.Wagner: 38.6m
Suggs: 35m
KCP: 21.6m
Banchero: 15.3m
Carter: 10.85m
Bitadze: 8.3m
Black: 8m

Thats over 183m for 8 players.

That makes it virtually impossible to avoid the second apron.

That's assuming you don't pick up any of your other team options, including that of Mo Wagner's.

That means you basically only have vet minimums to fill out the rest of your roster unless you manage to dump some salary, not to mention the other restrictions that come with being over the second apron....and that's excluding the Extension you have to give to Banchero which will kick in for 26-27.

Basically, a Lavine trade would only make sense if it makes the Magic a legitimate contender, as early as this year or next. Even if ends up being a great fit basketball wise, it's a terrible fit financial wise and timeline wise.

Before the new CBA, sure, I would tell the Magic to go for it, assuming they ownership was willing to spend more on the luxury tax. But in the current CBA, it's not just about how much the ownership spends....it's a whole other level of restrictions that makes this incredibly unlikely from the Orlando side.

This should be stickied and cemented in stone.

Beautifully written and executed perfect.

There is no other acceptable answer.

The ONLY pathway for Lavine to Orlando is him being bought out this summer (highly unlikely) and Orlando signing him to a 1 yr. prove it deal.

[MavsDirk41]

I don't think he makes sense on either team honestly. Rockets have enough guards. Pistons would probably rather keep developing Ivey and keep their books cleaner.

I feel like Lavines best stops are the usual suspects. Lakers/Kings/Warriors/Suns. Teams that are kind of backed into a corner, have older cores and are trying to win now. He'd be pretty low cost asset wise, just need to match the salaries. Lakers are the only obvious team that could pull that off:

D'Lo/Rui/Vincent/Hood-Shafino for Lavine/Duarte

Depends on what Detroit thinks of Ivey. They need offensive talent desperately. In regards to Houston, i think Lavine is an upgrade to Jalen Green and Houston is most certainly a playoff team.

Phoenix have Beal and Booker, Sacramento has plenty of offense, Golden St. would need to move Wiggins to make this work which would make their perimeter defense worse. I dont think he moves the needle for LA, especially giving up Rui.

Is Hachimura that good? I feel like the only thing he's good at is scoring, and thats something that Lavine is obviously better at. Am I missing something else?

Without Rui they lose size and defense in the frontcourt. Starting James, Reaves, and Lavine together would be bad defensively. Plus with Davis, James, and Lavine, what is the point of Reaves? There is only one basketball and those 3 are gonna take a most of the shots.

[G R E Y]

Scuttlebutt has it that Nuggets are interested for a MPJ and Nnaji-centered package.

[meekrab]

Realisticly he's not a huge downgrade on Garland If you have Mitchell as well on play V play. Just a lot more expensive and defensive lapses

At some point you need a guy who will actually pass the ball.

As stated, the problem is he makes about three times what he is worth to a contender so nobody can afford him that could use him. Like about half the other guys in the league.

Listening to posts like this you would think 22 ppg 60+TS% scorers just grow on trees in the NBA and are barely worth the full MLE.

[Scalabrine]

Yeah...no. You need another 20-30m to balance the salaries I think. Lavine is too expensive

It works from a salary perspective. I just don't really like the fit.

It's literally a perfect fit.

LaVine has become underrated, dude is an elite scoring talent and is not the horrible defender people make him out to be.

I don't think its perfect. It's better than most options that work, but it's definitely not "perfect". The Magic don't want to take touches out of Wagner or Bancheros hands, so Lavine would be a 3rd Option there and that would bump Suggs down to 4th option. Right now Suggs is taking 14 shots per game, that number is already gonna go down when Banchero gets back. Is it worth paying Lavine to be taking 12-13 shots per game while taking those shots from Suggs and bumping him down to 8 or 9 shots? Additionally, its also adding 30+ minutes of having a "not horrible" defensive player on the court. Right now their entire rotation is filled with + defensive players. I think it would just mess with the makeup. They are a tough, get in your shorts defensive team that is gonna outwork teams and grind out every possession. I don't watch a ton of Bulls games, so go ahead and correct me if I'm wrong, but that doesnt sound like Lavine.

[madmaxmedia]

He’s a pretty efficient player on paper, I don’t see him enough to have a good idea of how he might fit into different offenses. But if a team were to trade for him, wouldn‘t you be doing it for scoring? That’s the one thing he seems to do very well.

Also, are the Bulls looking to start over because that’s what’s happening if you trade a guy with a big undesirable contract- you’re not getting back the same value on the floor today. I thought maybe they’d still be hoping for a good recovery from Lonzo, then decide? (understanding that his outlook is even more precarious than say Kawhi for the Clippers…)

[Wigginstime]

Multiple reports about Nuggets and Bulls discussion a trade centered on

MPJ / Nnaji for Lavine

Denver is desperate for a scorer who doesn't depend on Jokic to create.

[God Squad]

Denver and Orlando seem to make the most sense.

[Papi_swav]

Denver would be a really nice spot for him. I would count on him more than Jamal Murray and MPJ so one of them need to go. Preferably Murray

[Onlytimewilltel]

China

[Bankai]

Bulls was his best opportunity, Lavine is he who is at this point.

[Willie Colon]

He would be great on the Bucks imo

[Effigy]

Denver would be a really nice spot for him. I would count on him more than Jamal Murray and MPJ so one of them need to go. Preferably Murray

Murray for Lavine, then trade Porter and a pick for Butler.

[Papi_swav]

Denver would be a really nice spot for him. I would count on him more than Jamal Murray and MPJ so one of them need to go. Preferably Murray

Murray for Lavine, then trade Porter and a pick for Butler.

yea or that package from the Hawks thats been rumored. Not sure how true it is