Another dive, another injury (Jaden Ivey suffers broken fibula)

[Magic_Johnny12]

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I’m no doctor, but isn’t this somewhat best case for the worst case scenario? I hope that makes sense.

It’s a fracture so the bone will heal a lot stronger than before (I think PG13 spoke on this) and better than a complete ACL/MCL knee tear…I think.

Freak ACCIDENT and hope for a speedy recovery. Ivey is a dog so I know he will be better after this.

[SkyBill40]

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I’m no doctor, but isn’t this somewhat best case for the worst case scenario? I hope that makes sense.

It’s a fracture so the bone will heal a lot stronger than before (I think PG13 spoke on this) and better than a complete ACL/MCL knee tear…I think.

Freak ACCIDENT and hope for a speedy recovery. Ivey is a dog so I know he will be better after this.

A bone break is definitely better than a tear of a tendon, especially one as delicate as an ACL.

[Sixers in 4]

I don't have a problem with the dive in general, but a player should never be that out of control. The dive is like anything else: if you go up for a blocked shot, miss the ball, and clobber the player, it's a penalty. Do it enough times, and you will injure someone.

Not to derail but on the same night Vucevic did this to Poole and the announcers were appealing to a players reputation based on a play.

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How do we judge being out of control and making a just basketball play?

Almost every game, including replays with fouls, requires the referees to make these kinds of decisions. In your particular example Vucevic was clearly in a position to make a play on the ball when he started his swipe which is why it wasn't ruled a flagrant. Why is it all of a sudden presented as witchcraft? It starts with did Anthony have a shot of coming away with the ball when he started his dive? The answer is when he leaned in to fight for the ball he had a shot but then Ivey gained position at that point diving meant either Ivey would either have to pull up to protect himself or Anthony would have had to go through him to get to the basketball.

Since Anthony is clearly the one telling reporters that he slipped, I find it amusing that realgm posters are defending what would have been a reckless dive for the ball in which Anthony clearly was not in a position to make a play. For all intents and purposes, you are defending something that even Anthony claims he did not intentionally do.

Anthony is blameless if that is what it was, and he would explain how careless and uncontrollable the dive appeared.

[GSWFan1994]

At least it was only a broken bone, no damage to ligaments. All things considered, it could be much worse.

I like Ivey, he progressed a lot this season and seems on his way to being a good 3rd guy on a contender level of player.

I wouldn't be surprised if he sneaks in a couple of All-Star selections when all is said and done.

[blueNorange]

lol magic are hard nosed, tough, physical, will bully ball you team

antony knew damn well what he was doing, he didn’t mean the outcome — but that drive was straight out of the playbook of lowry/cp3

“if i can’t get the ball, i’ll make you give the ball up by knocking you down”

[ItsDanger]

It's a reckless play by Anthony. Not sure how you police that though.

Even if so (really, have no idea how to judge it, saw some tweets about him slipping, but can't see it in the video), at least he seams like he is genuinely sorry for the hurt opponent, unlike how the buffoon and draymond behave after they hurt someone - so in this case I'm willing to give Cole the benefit of doubt.

He was parallel to Ivey, he chose to dive for the ball to beat him there. Hence, this is reckless as you're likely to make contact with his knees. I don't see this as debatable at all.

[OkcSinceSGA]

The tweet inside the spoiler is from a fake Jaden Ivey account. Ivey isn't on twitter.

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I'll take his word for it and back off. It was a reckless play, but if he's cool, I'm cool.

[SkyBill40]

lol magic are hard nosed, tough, physical, will bully ball you team

antony knew damn well what he was doing, he didn’t mean the outcome — but that drive was straight out of the playbook of lowry/cp3

“if i can’t get the ball, i’ll make you give the ball up by knocking you down”

This is a rather insulting take. If he was going to do as you said by purposely knocking someone down, he would have bodied him rather than taking an intentional dive at another player's legs. Anthony has shown literally ZERO indication of being a purposely dirty player. Good lord.

I know Mattress Firm has some nice gear and all, but even their mattresses can't keep up with people like you who can't sleep due to this kind of crap rattling around in their noggins and keeping them awake at night.

[chilluminati]

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I'll take his word for it and back off. It was a reckless play, but if he's cool, I'm cool.

That's a fake account, dude is trying to act like Jaden since he doesn't have X. But regardless you're probably still right. As far as I know Cole and Jaden are friends and it's highly unlikely a person like Jaden would hold grudges. Cole was visibly upset after it happened with coaches consoling him. Dive plays are dangerous business.

[OkcSinceSGA]

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I'll take his word for it and back off. It was a reckless play, but if he's cool, I'm cool.

That's a fake account, dude is trying to act like Jaden since he doesn't have X. But regardless you're probably still right. As far as I know Cole and Jaden are friends and it's highly unlikely a person like Jaden would hold grudges. Cole was visibly upset after it happened with coaches consoling him. Dive plays are dangerous business.

Good catch. Weird. It somehow added community notes after I grabbed it lol.

[tooler]

Guerschon Yabusele didn't need to put a forearm into the side of Franz Wagner during a layup and cause an oblique injury, but it was a bang-bang play and it happened. Injuries suck.

[SkyBill40]

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I'll take his word for it and back off. It was a reckless play, but if he's cool, I'm cool.

That's a fake account, dude is trying to act like Jaden since he doesn't have X. But regardless you're probably still right. As far as I know Cole and Jaden are friends and it's highly unlikely a person like Jaden would hold grudges. Cole was visibly upset after it happened with coaches consoling him. Dive plays are dangerous business.

Good catch. Weird. It somehow added community notes after I grabbed it lol.

Interesting though how someone would go so far as to pay to get a verified stamp just to create phony stuff. I'll never understand wasting money for the sake of trolling or what have you. Guess I'm too old to care that deeply.

[Ducklett]

Guerschon Yabusele didn't need to put a forearm into the side of Franz Wagner during a layup and cause an oblique injury, but it was a bang-bang play and it happened. Injuries suck.

Touching a player during a lay up is too dangerous and this dangerous dirty player Guerschon Yabusele should be banned from playing another NBA game.

[Dr Aki]

There are explicit rules against diving at a football players legs this in rugby union, like get sent off (yellow/red card) rules because that **** is so dangerous and shooting 200 lbs of force into a players knees or legs is liable to injuring people.

Its a different sport with different aims. In the rugby example you gave, the guy rushing through is trying to prevent a field goal, which is quite often at the end of a game and ends up being the decisive play. In basketball, it's nothing like that: You just see the ball on the ground, unclaimed, and you GO for it: 1st minute, or 48th minute. THIS was just pure bad luck for Ivey, and I don't believe Anthony did anything wrong.

No, it happens all the time, not just in FG attempt situations. Like when a player is tackled but held up, has lost momentum and is stationary (and thus vulnerable), in a tackle, and a 3rd man comes in to put the ball carrier on the ground, often targeting the players legs to slow the play the ball down.

In rugby union, when a ruck forms, you're supposed to stay on your feet to ruck. Sometimes in the heat of the action, someone gets undisciplined, comes in from the side, and absolutely wrecks a guy's ankles/legs because he was doing the right thing and staying on his feet.

[Invictus88]

I watched it again, this wasn't a dive for the ball, it was a tackle.

Ivey basically had position and possession of the ball and this idiot tackles him.

I dont like Cole,in this case he could have acted with more constraint, but here - this is basically the moment he starts diving, Ivey did not have the possesion of the ball at that moment and no one can predict what will happen a second later.

This. No one in this picture knows at this point whether either one will dive or run to the ball or stop short. And in most cases from a safety standpoint in basketball it doesn't end up mattering at all. Time after time players dive straight forward for a loose ball and nothing happens because of it; even if unexpected contact with another player happens as a result.

It even looked as if Anthony touched the ball first to try and poke it away. It was only after the fact that he saw he was going to hit Ivey and curled up.

I could even see in an alternate universe where if they collided and Ivey didn't touch the ball and was unhurt that Ivey could have ended up being called for a foul for colliding with Anthony who did. No doubt players and fans on the Pistons side would have issue with that but we have definitely seen that call made before on contested loose balls / rebounds.

[ForeverTFC]

I watched it again, this wasn't a dive for the ball, it was a tackle.

Ivey basically had position and possession of the ball and this idiot tackles him.

I dont like Cole,in this case he could have acted with more constraint, but here - this is basically the moment he starts diving, Ivey did not have the possesion of the ball at that moment and no one can predict what will happen a second later.

Thanks for grabbing this. This is very clearly a 50/50 ball and shows Anthony didn't dive at Ivey's legs when he went for the ball.

Totally understand why Pistons fans would be mad, but really don't get the arguments otherwise.

[axeman23]

There are explicit rules against diving at a football players legs this in rugby union, like get sent off (yellow/red card) rules because that **** is so dangerous and shooting 200 lbs of force into a players knees or legs is liable to injuring people.

Its a different sport with different aims. In the rugby example you gave, the guy rushing through is trying to prevent a field goal, which is quite often at the end of a game and ends up being the decisive play. In basketball, it's nothing like that: You just see the ball on the ground, unclaimed, and you GO for it: 1st minute, or 48th minute. THIS was just pure bad luck for Ivey, and I don't believe Anthony did anything wrong.

No, it happens all the time, not just in FG attempt situations. Like when a player is tackled but held up, has lost momentum and is stationary (and thus vulnerable), in a tackle, and a 3rd man comes in to put the ball carrier on the ground, often targeting the players legs to slow the play the ball down.

In rugby union, when a ruck forms, you're supposed to stay on your feet to ruck. Sometimes in the heat of the action, someone gets undisciplined, comes in from the side, and absolutely wrecks a guy's ankles/legs because he was doing the right thing and staying on his feet.

Ok, I get your point, but the situations are still not really comparable. There was no one holding Ivey up, stretching him out, and being a "opposing force to Anthony, like it the "3rd man in" situations. It sucks he got injured, but you can't legislate every injury out of the game...

[CptCrunch]

This has nothing on Cole. It was a completely normal basketball play in every way.

Ivey should be good in 6 months. The only damage here is the half a year of lost development.

[ryguy613]

For the life of me i just dont understand why people dont take this more seriously? Its an insanely reckless play to dive at someone's ankles. enough is enough with this ****.

[MavsDirk41]

Hopping for a speedy recovery for him. He has had a great year.