Terry Rozier investigated by the feds for manipulating his performances

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Re: Terry Rozier investigated by the feds for manipulating his performances 

Post#61 » by Zeno » Thu Jan 30, 2025 9:34 pm

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Zeno wrote:Yes but it isn’t on him to sequester himself to protect the betting companies. It is a question of intent.


Oh I know. And the intent is the key. As well as if anyone connected to him had any money wired to them by* the gambling conglomerate.

*Edited for correct wording.


I think this is where I'm at with this at least right now:

Regardless of this specific instance and Rozier's culpability, did we collectively eff up and effectively create a world in which a professional athlete has to be discreet about possible injuries and whatnot with even members of their own family?

Idk I guess that's always been the case to an extent. It's not like sports gambling is new really, but this level of pervasiveness is, and I wouldn't really blame anyone for not having caught up to that reality or for not really knowing where all the lines may be in this new world.

But it seems like this puts athletes in a really weird place

To take it one step further, think about the position student athletes are put in. People on campus watching you constantly for signs you might underperform , hounding you for inside info, maybe trying to guilt trip you into giving them info to help them solve some financial bind they are in. It is not just the pros.
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Re: Terry Rozier investigated by the feds for manipulating his performances 

Post#62 » by LurkCobain » Thu Jan 30, 2025 9:35 pm

JustBuzzin wrote:Charlotte stand up!


We got a 1st round pick for this guy lol


Tough times for Miami right now.


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Re: Terry Rozier investigated by the feds for manipulating his performances 

Post#63 » by Eye of Horus » Thu Jan 30, 2025 9:44 pm

Ahhh yes, here's that famous " heat culture " that I keep hearing about
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Re: Terry Rozier investigated by the feds for manipulating his performances 

Post#64 » by magee » Thu Jan 30, 2025 9:49 pm

Zeno wrote:
reddyplayerone wrote:
magee wrote:
Oh I know. And the intent is the key. As well as if anyone connected to him had any money wired to them by* the gambling conglomerate.

*Edited for correct wording.


I think this is where I'm at with this at least right now:

Regardless of this specific instance and Rozier's culpability, did we collectively eff up and effectively create a world in which a professional athlete has to be discreet about possible injuries and whatnot with even members of their own family?

Idk I guess that's always been the case to an extent. It's not like sports gambling is new really, but this level of pervasiveness is, and I wouldn't really blame anyone for not having caught up to that reality or for not really knowing where all the lines may be in this new world.

But it seems like this puts athletes in a really weird place

To take it one step further, think about the position student athletes are put in. People on campus watching you constantly for signs you might underperform , hounding you for inside info, maybe trying to guilt trip you into giving them info to help them solve some financial bind they are in. It is not just the pros.


The NBA getting in bed with BetMGM years ago hasn't helped.

For college students, there are definitely players we may never know about who took money from betting groups and the mob back in the day. Easier to hide cash. Now it's a little more difficult. Still doable.

When my little sister went to Arkansas on a gymnastics scholarship, her monthly stipend was a little over $900. For the sports that can be bet on and not as well known, if someone came and offered you $10k to turn the ball over at certain points in the game, you'd do it.

I think the refereeing in college is even more gregarious. I've seen games where the officials don't even bother to make a correction on an error. I tailed (watched) a guy's NCAA pick on Illinois and Wisconsin, where he has Illinois favored. Wisconsin's best player committed a foul, and the refs called it on someone not even close to the play and that player ended up scoring a hoop to bring the score within where Wisconsin covered the Spread.

There was more money on Illinois that game. These occurrences happen a lot in college. Now with NIL, while players may not be as inclined to throw a game, it'll be more scrutinized to see how refs dictate certain games.
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Re: Terry Rozier investigated by the feds for manipulating his performances 

Post#65 » by Frank Dux » Thu Jan 30, 2025 9:53 pm

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Re: Terry Rozier investigated by the feds for manipulating his performances 

Post#66 » by Infinite Llamas » Thu Jan 30, 2025 9:53 pm

reddyplayerone wrote:
magee wrote:
Zeno wrote:Yes but it isn’t on him to sequester himself to protect the betting companies. It is a question of intent.


Oh I know. And the intent is the key. As well as if anyone connected to him had any money wired to them by* the gambling conglomerate.

*Edited for correct wording.


I think this is where I'm at with this at least right now:

Regardless of this specific instance and Rozier's culpability, did we collectively eff up and effectively create a world in which a professional athlete has to be discreet about possible injuries and whatnot with even members of their own family?

Idk I guess that's always been the case to an extent. It's not like sports gambling is new really, but this level of pervasiveness is, and I wouldn't really blame anyone for not having caught up to that reality or for not really knowing where all the lines may be in this new world.

But it seems like this puts athletes in a really weird place


Yeah I mean, it’s thin ice these guys are walking on now. Guy can go 2-14 and a lot of people instantly assume the player took the under. Even if there is no proof.
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Re: Terry Rozier investigated by the feds for manipulating his performances 

Post#67 » by floppymoose » Thu Jan 30, 2025 9:54 pm

MartyConlonOnTheRun wrote:Not sure I feel great about wasting taxpayers money to ensure the integrity of the player prop bets. Like I get it, it is fraud, but there isn't some white collar corporate crime that actual impacts people beyond degenerate gamblers and sport fans?


Yes. But the corporate crime benefits the rich. The gambling crime hurts the rich. Hence the emphasis.
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Re: Terry Rozier investigated by the feds for manipulating his performances 

Post#68 » by bstein14 » Thu Jan 30, 2025 9:56 pm

Apparently there was so much better on the under for his prop bets that some sports books took him off. Sportsbooks lost a ton of money that day. Apparently bettors were parlaying his unders in huge amounts of money. He actually had a good start to the game looking decent with 5 points, 4 rebounds and 2 assists in the first quarter but then he called it a night. It's possible it didn't come from him, but maybe a training staff member or someone who knew his ankle was bothering him and he might get shut down for the year soon, etc.
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Re: Terry Rozier investigated by the feds for manipulating his performances 

Post#69 » by BBallFreak » Thu Jan 30, 2025 9:56 pm

JustBuzzin wrote:Charlotte stand up!


We got a 1st round pick for this guy lol


Tough times for Miami right now.

You do realize that this might be very bad for Charlotte, right?
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Re: Terry Rozier investigated by the feds for manipulating his performances 

Post#70 » by JustBuzzin » Thu Jan 30, 2025 10:32 pm

BBallFreak wrote:
JustBuzzin wrote:Charlotte stand up!


We got a 1st round pick for this guy lol


Tough times for Miami right now.

You do realize that this might be very bad for Charlotte, right?

How so?
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Re: Terry Rozier investigated by the feds for manipulating his performances 

Post#71 » by Johnny Firpo » Thu Jan 30, 2025 10:35 pm

Duffman100 wrote:Oh wow. This makes sense to do when you're making 20+ million a year...


In Europe this happens a lot to soccer players, and it's almost always one or two things, organized crime members "asked" them, or the player wanted to throw a bone to family members or friends, without actually having to give them money (not saying giving them money is good, but still a lot better than this).
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Re: Terry Rozier investigated by the feds for manipulating his performances 

Post#72 » by Johnny Firpo » Thu Jan 30, 2025 10:38 pm

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This happened while he was still with Charlotte.
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Re: Terry Rozier investigated by the feds for manipulating his performances 

Post#73 » by UglyBugBall » Thu Jan 30, 2025 10:41 pm

MartyConlonOnTheRun wrote:Not sure I feel great about wasting taxpayers money to ensure the integrity of the player prop bets. Like I get it, it is fraud, but there isn't some white collar corporate crime that actual impacts people beyond degenerate gamblers and sport fans?


??? This affects all of us, how can we watch basketball if we don't believe it's fair and honest.
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Re: Terry Rozier investigated by the feds for manipulating his performances 

Post#74 » by BBallFreak » Thu Jan 30, 2025 10:44 pm

JustBuzzin wrote:
BBallFreak wrote:
JustBuzzin wrote:Charlotte stand up!


We got a 1st round pick for this guy lol


Tough times for Miami right now.

You do realize that this might be very bad for Charlotte, right?

How so?

It happened while he was playing in Charlotte. If the leak wasn't him but was a Charlotte staff, then who do you think the NBA is going to go after?
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Re: Terry Rozier investigated by the feds for manipulating his performances 

Post#75 » by Inklink » Thu Jan 30, 2025 10:46 pm

No ****. Who didn't see this coming
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Re: Terry Rozier investigated by the feds for manipulating his performances 

Post#76 » by jfs1000d » Thu Jan 30, 2025 10:49 pm

Heat culture.
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Re: Terry Rozier investigated by the feds for manipulating his performances 

Post#77 » by jbk1234 » Thu Jan 30, 2025 10:50 pm

BBallFreak wrote:
JustBuzzin wrote:Charlotte stand up!


We got a 1st round pick for this guy lol


Tough times for Miami right now.

You do realize that this might be very bad for Charlotte, right?


The league said they looked into it and didn't find anything. Now, they don't have the ability to issue search warrants, but neither do the Hornets.

With gambling being legal now, they're able to track large bets that don't make sense in real time. If it's a one off, he may have just told someone he shouldn't have that his foot was hurting and he'd give it a go, but be surprised if he'd be able to finish.
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Re: Terry Rozier investigated by the feds for manipulating his performances 

Post#78 » by JustBuzzin » Thu Jan 30, 2025 10:51 pm

BBallFreak wrote:
JustBuzzin wrote:
BBallFreak wrote:You do realize that this might be very bad for Charlotte, right?

How so?

It happened while he was playing in Charlotte. If the leak wasn't him but was a Charlotte staff, then who do you think the NBA is going to go after?

A 2nd pick is not hurting us. :lol:
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Re: Terry Rozier investigated by the feds for manipulating his performances 

Post#79 » by BBallFreak » Thu Jan 30, 2025 10:55 pm

JustBuzzin wrote:
BBallFreak wrote:
JustBuzzin wrote:How so?

It happened while he was playing in Charlotte. If the leak wasn't him but was a Charlotte staff, then who do you think the NBA is going to go after?

A 2nd pick is not hurting us. :lol:

You think putting the integrity of the game at risk is only going to cost you a second?
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Re: Terry Rozier investigated by the feds for manipulating his performances 

Post#80 » by JustBuzzin » Thu Jan 30, 2025 10:57 pm

BBallFreak wrote:
JustBuzzin wrote:
BBallFreak wrote:It happened while he was playing in Charlotte. If the leak wasn't him but was a Charlotte staff, then who do you think the NBA is going to go after?

A 2nd pick is not hurting us. :lol:

You think putting the integrity of the game at risk is only going to cost you a second?

What are you expecting? I'm willing to bet our 1st round picks are safe.

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