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Roco14 wrote:Lets be real, there was no timeline in which Wemby would be a raptor. The league was barely able to stomach Kawhi being in Canada for 1 year
Ssj16 wrote:baldur wrote:What do you expect? Toronto to be a contender every year?
We essentially traded away Siakam for Ingram which makes no sense.
Appostis wrote:DelAbbot wrote:why not wait until the draft lottery to see where we end up in the 2025 draft?
if we get lucky at the draft lottery and get a top 3 pick, everyone will be calling Masai a genius
if we don't and fall to 8th or later, then you can call for Masai to be fired if next season is filled with injuries to Quickley and Ingram
Hey man.. there's no room for rational thinking in this thread. Please read the room.
Ssj16 wrote:Appostis wrote:DelAbbot wrote:why not wait until the draft lottery to see where we end up in the 2025 draft?
if we get lucky at the draft lottery and get a top 3 pick, everyone will be calling Masai a genius
if we don't and fall to 8th or later, then you can call for Masai to be fired if next season is filled with injuries to Quickley and Ingram
Hey man.. there's no room for rational thinking in this thread. Please read the room.
Rational thinking? It's been years of Masai mis-managing and making moves that don't make any sense. This just did not happen yesterday. If you can explain the current roster, I would love to hear what the plan is.
Quattro wrote:And here for the gens boards enjoyment is what the raptors forum looks like every day. The whiny kids stamping their feet that the team should trade everyone so they can win 10 games every year for a 14% shot at the first overall pick. They took a break while the team won a championship but they're back in full force now.
If you are truly done with Masai, then I encourage you to stop watching the team and do something productive with your life.
Like I've been saying since the Rogers takeover happens, in a couple of years Masai will be gone and we'll go back to the raptors glory days where some incompetent D bag becomes POBO and hires geniuses like Rob Babcock to run the show. Then you guys will get exactly what you deserve. On the bright side though, we will be picking in the top 5-10 for the next decade when that happens so you guys will probably be happy at all the Charlie Villanuevas and Rafael Araujos we end up with.
Ssj16 wrote:Quattro wrote:And here for the gens boards enjoyment is what the raptors forum looks like every day. The whiny kids stamping their feet that the team should trade everyone so they can win 10 games every year for a 14% shot at the first overall pick. They took a break while the team won a championship but they're back in full force now.
If you are truly done with Masai, then I encourage you to stop watching the team and do something productive with your life.
Like I've been saying since the Rogers takeover happens, in a couple of years Masai will be gone and we'll go back to the raptors glory days where some incompetent D bag becomes POBO and hires geniuses like Rob Babcock to run the show. Then you guys will get exactly what you deserve. On the bright side though, we will be picking in the top 5-10 for the next decade when that happens so you guys will probably be happy at all the Charlie Villanuevas and Rafael Araujos we end up with.
Bro, I follow Denver now and whatever good games are on. My time is too precious to be wasting it on a terrible product where I don't see any promise.
phanman wrote:Team is s a hot mess. In a vacuum, trading for Ingram is a great value play but you have to take a look at the current roster and the financial implications of trading for Brandon. He's an expiring due for a near max contract on a team that is already on the hook 118m+ for BBQ + Poeltl the next 2 seasons. He's been injury prone and although he's upped his 3PA to 6.4 this season, he's always been a reluctant floor spacer and underwhelming rebounder for a guy his size.
All of this ignores the crucial fact that him and RJ operate in the same space and this trade marginalizes one of the few bright spots this season in Gradey Dick.. 4 straight seasons where we traded a FRP at the deadline for an expiring contract.
tsherkin wrote:I think we'll have to see what happens with the draft and BI's first season before we can really evaluate what's going on. Toronto was not likely to ever commit to a protracted, multi-year tank. And frankly, we haven't seen a ton of that strategy working out super well.
The Knicks were in the lottery for most of 20 years (17 years in 20 under 40 wins) and that didn't pan out for them. Washington hasn't won more than 35 games since 2018. Atlanta was under 30 wins for 3 years from 18-20. Going back to 05, Charlotte has 17 seasons under 40 wins and hasn't won 50 games since 1998. They have a 7-win season in there. Chicago's working on its 6th season under 40 wins in the last 8. Detroit's FINALLY looking at a season of 27+ wins, after 20, 20, 23, 17 and 14. And they got Cade out of all that. Orlando has mostly been pretty bad since 2013, with 7 seasons under 30 wins and another 3 under 40. They have Wagner and Paolo, so we'll see what happens with them. Portland's won 27, 33 and 21 games in the three previous seasons, and they're sub-.500 again.
The Spurs made it happen, they got Wemby. Utah's been bad for a couple years now and they're REALLY bad this year, but the draft hasn't come yet, so we'll see.
Generally speaking, though, you can see the trend that multi-year tanking hasn't really been the thing. So that in mind, it's hard to envision that Masai was going to commit to just obliterating the team for a multi-year tank. We're in position for probably a top-6 pick, which isn't awful. It would be MORE ideal if we were jockeying for a higher pick, but the worst 3 teams in the league are just out of reach terrible, so there's no real reason to trash potential assets to make an effort in a race we were never going to win.
We'll see how it goes, I guess.
Ssj16 wrote:
I agree that tanking is a gamble but it's also the moves he has been making with assets like Van Fleet, Siakam, etc for the past 2-3 years makes no sense and he's handing out big contracts to mid players and the roster construction makes no sense.
Quattro wrote:Ssj16 wrote:Quattro wrote:And here for the gens boards enjoyment is what the raptors forum looks like every day. The whiny kids stamping their feet that the team should trade everyone so they can win 10 games every year for a 14% shot at the first overall pick. They took a break while the team won a championship but they're back in full force now.
If you are truly done with Masai, then I encourage you to stop watching the team and do something productive with your life.
Like I've been saying since the Rogers takeover happens, in a couple of years Masai will be gone and we'll go back to the raptors glory days where some incompetent D bag becomes POBO and hires geniuses like Rob Babcock to run the show. Then you guys will get exactly what you deserve. On the bright side though, we will be picking in the top 5-10 for the next decade when that happens so you guys will probably be happy at all the Charlie Villanuevas and Rafael Araujos we end up with.
Bro, I follow Denver now and whatever good games are on. My time is too precious to be wasting it on a terrible product where I don't see any promise.
You mean you aren't a raptors fan and you bandwagon jump to whatever team is contending at this moment? Damn. I would have never guessed.
I'm betting you started cheering for the raptors in, say, 2018ish?
Ssj16 wrote:I've defended him up until this season because of what he did for his first 9 years in Toronto but not tanking to try and get into the Wemby sweepstakes is almost unforgivable and between the moves he made last year combined with this trade deadline, I think he needs to go and Toronto needs a new GM at the helmet.
Lockdown504090 wrote:phanman wrote:Team is s a hot mess. In a vacuum, trading for Ingram is a great value play but you have to take a look at the current roster and the financial implications of trading for Brandon. He's an expiring due for a near max contract on a team that is already on the hook 118m+ for BBQ + Poeltl the next 2 seasons. He's been injury prone and although he's upped his 3PA to 6.4 this season, he's always been a reluctant floor spacer and underwhelming rebounder for a guy his size.
All of this ignores the crucial fact that him and RJ operate in the same space and this trade marginalizes one of the few bright spots this season in Gradey Dick.. 4 straight seasons where we traded a FRP at the deadline for an expiring contract.
Have you ever watched brandon ingram attempted 8 pullup jumpers last year. barett is at 2 for this season. I think we might be okay. the raptors are devoid of perimeter creation. the only thing to be mad about is him winning them games that they were already starting to win anyway.
Pattycakes wrote:Raptors actually look low key nice, what’s your deal
phanman wrote:Lockdown504090 wrote:phanman wrote:Team is s a hot mess. In a vacuum, trading for Ingram is a great value play but you have to take a look at the current roster and the financial implications of trading for Brandon. He's an expiring due for a near max contract on a team that is already on the hook 118m+ for BBQ + Poeltl the next 2 seasons. He's been injury prone and although he's upped his 3PA to 6.4 this season, he's always been a reluctant floor spacer and underwhelming rebounder for a guy his size.
All of this ignores the crucial fact that him and RJ operate in the same space and this trade marginalizes one of the few bright spots this season in Gradey Dick.. 4 straight seasons where we traded a FRP at the deadline for an expiring contract.
Have you ever watched brandon ingram attempted 8 pullup jumpers last year. barett is at 2 for this season. I think we might be okay. the raptors are devoid of perimeter creation. the only thing to be mad about is him winning them games that they were already starting to win anyway.
Don't get me wrong BI is better than RJ for sure but not at the number of his next contract He's at 36m this season vs RJ's 25.7m and due for a raise like I mentioned. We've already invested a big chunk of this season to improve RJ's playmaking and on ball reps with IQ out f and likewise with Gradey whose capitalized on the extra opportunities. Now we're looking at situation next year with 4 guys who need the ball in their hands and Gradey demoted back to the bench on a team surely near/over the luxury tax.
Ssj16 wrote:Quattro wrote:Ssj16 wrote:
Bro, I follow Denver now and whatever good games are on. My time is too precious to be wasting it on a terrible product where I don't see any promise.
You mean you aren't a raptors fan and you bandwagon jump to whatever team is contending at this moment? Damn. I would have never guessed.
I'm betting you started cheering for the raptors in, say, 2018ish?
Lol, I've been with the Raptors since their inception in 95. I live beside the ACC and have probably been to over 20 games, including over 10 playoff games.
But when they put out a trash product, I don't need to waste my time following them. That's like continuing to watch a TV show in it's 6th season when the story line is bad and the actors have changed to less quality actors.
Am I a die hard fan, definitely not but I've have the jerseys, the games I've attended and the memories of the raptors throughout their history.
And I'm fully entitled to not spend time or money on a low quality product.
anotherhomer wrote:The contract to IQ was puzzling