The Hornets feel remarkably, consistently hopeless.

JustBuzzin · Post #61 » by **JustBuzzin** » Mon Mar 3, 2025 4:03 am

EmpireFalls wrote:
doogie_hauser wrote:If the Hornets win the lottery and jag Cooper Flagg, you would honestly have to consider trading Lamelo at this point and build around Coops and the superemluly talented Millwr imo

Miller just tore a ligament in his shooting wrist.

He is a huge question mark going forward.

Huh?

doogie_hauser · Post #62 » by **doogie_hauser** » Mon Mar 3, 2025 4:05 am

EmpireFalls wrote:
doogie_hauser wrote:If the Hornets win the lottery and jag Cooper Flagg, you would honestly have to consider trading Lamelo at this point and build around Coops and the superemluly talented Millwr imo

Miller just tore a ligament in his shooting wrist.

He is a huge question mark going forward.

That's devastating news.

I really enjoyed watching his growth and improvement this season before he got hurt.

Genuinely gutted

Astaluego · Post #63 » by **Astaluego** » Mon Mar 3, 2025 5:41 am

JustBuzzin wrote:
doogie_hauser wrote:If the Hornets win the lottery and jag Cooper Flagg, you would honestly have to consider trading Lamelo at this point and build around Coops and the superemluly talented Millwr imo

I keep telling Hornets fans that trading Melo is a realistic possibility if we get Flagg. They are going to want to build around Flagg and they want him as the clear cut guy. That's not going to happen with Melo on the court.

Get some picks for Melo and build around Flag/Miller seems like the most likely outcome if we land the #1 pick.

Who would be willing to pay for Lamelo?

therealbig3 · Post #64 » by **therealbig3** » Mon Mar 3, 2025 5:47 am

amcoolio wrote:A team that lost coin flips for Chris Paul and Derrick Rose, and picked 2nd in the Dwight Howard, Anthony Davis and Victor Wembanyama drafts... and a team that had two ridiculously cheap owners in their history before this year. Pretty much explains the Hornets. I mean this thread doesn't exist if they won Wemby last year. They just can't get those lucky ping pong bounces like NO, Cleveland, San Antonio

To be fair though, other small market teams have also not picked #1 and still were able to put together runs of having legitimately good teams built around gems they found in the draft and shrewd front office moves.

Not picking #1 when there's a generational draft prospect doesn't condemn you to eternally bad basketball, other teams have managed to do pretty well.

3 playoff appearances, all first round losses. Their best season being a 48 win season in 2016. Their worst season was the worst season for any team ever, when they went 7-59.

No continuity, no sustained success, very few actually good players and a whole lot of busts...the front office is just consistently bad. THAT'S what condemns you to eternally bad basketball.

FarBeyondDriven · Post #65 » by **FarBeyondDriven** » Mon Mar 3, 2025 7:44 am

their issue is that they tied their franchise to extremely flawed "star" players that aren't winners and have mostly drafted terribly though that's a moot point since nobody can win with those types of stars. Ball has got to go. If they can trade him and get multiple lottery picks for the next couple of drafts they could turn it around very quickly.

brutalitops · Post #66 » by **brutalitops** » Mon Mar 3, 2025 9:43 am

EmpireFalls wrote:Our GM just selected the worst player I’ve ever seen play regular NBA minutes #6 overall. Go down the Tidjane Salaun rabbit hole if you’re bored.

I honestly have less hope than I did this time last year, because back then we had hope of a new front office changing things. This year has proven it’s more of the same.

I mean. Raw is an understatement. He was struggling start of the year and looks kinda worse. I just don't see it.

UcanUwill · Post #67 » by **UcanUwill** » Mon Mar 3, 2025 10:23 am

magee wrote:
EmpireFalls wrote:Our GM just selected the worst player I’ve ever seen play regular NBA minutes #6 overall. Go down the Tidjane Salaun rabbit hole if you’re bored.

I honestly have less hope than I did this time last year, because back then we had hope of a new front office changing things. This year has proven it’s more of the same.

Pretty sure I remember reading Steve Clifford recommended the Hornets take him.

Bad draft class and he was upside pick, we knew he can't play at this moment. Problem, hes a player you need to develop, and Hornets cant develop jack ****.

SA37 · Post #68 » by **SA37** » Mon Mar 3, 2025 10:26 am

Charlotte has to look to teams like Miami, Memphis, San Antonio, and OKC as models of how to build your franchise.

In the case of Miami, the guy coaching the team has gone from being the video guy to a person considered one of the best, if not the best, coaches in the league. Miami has had FO stability and created an internal development system that has given Miami rotation players and starters that have been key in Miami's runs to the Finals. Miami has also exported a fair amount of coaches throughout the years.

San Antonio mimics Miami's level of coaching and FO stability. San Antonio has exported so many coaches around the league and, like Miami, has put in place a fantastic developmental system, in particular in terms of getting ahead of everyone on European talent. They're excellent and finding players who fit their system.

Memphis is punching WAY above its weight, and it has developed a roster that has been able to perform well even as its star has missed significant time. It got its coaching staff in order and they've started developing a huge group of young, talented guys in order to support their lead players.

OKC is probably the best example. I don't think most NBA fans could name their starting 5. The key here has been an incredible FO making great decision and they've gotten their developmental program in peak form since they know they are unlikely to ever land a big free agent.

EmpireFalls · Post #69 » by **EmpireFalls** » Mon Mar 3, 2025 1:44 pm

FarBeyondDriven wrote:their issue is that they tied their franchise to extremely flawed "star" players that aren't winners and have mostly drafted terribly though that's a moot point since nobody can win with those types of stars. Ball has got to go. If they can trade him and get multiple lottery picks for the next couple of drafts they could turn it around very quickly.

That’s a terrible idea. Let’s imagine they had traded him to Orlando for a package of picks in 2023.

Anthony Black
Jett Howard
Tristan Da Silva

You’re telling me that’s going to turn the franchise around more than having LaMelo Ball?

God Squad · Post #70 » by **God Squad** » Mon Mar 3, 2025 2:10 pm

You can legitimately argue that they've been perpetually bad since the Bobcat-Hornet era.

EmpireFalls · Post #71 » by **EmpireFalls** » Mon Mar 3, 2025 2:14 pm

UcanUwill wrote:
magee wrote:
EmpireFalls wrote:Our GM just selected the worst player I’ve ever seen play regular NBA minutes #6 overall. Go down the Tidjane Salaun rabbit hole if you’re bored.

I honestly have less hope than I did this time last year, because back then we had hope of a new front office changing things. This year has proven it’s more of the same.

Pretty sure I remember reading Steve Clifford recommended the Hornets take him.

Bad draft class and he was upside pick, we knew he can't play at this moment. Problem, hes a player you need to develop, and Hornets cant develop jack ****.

I would be shocked if any franchise in the NBA developed this guy. Hes absolutely awful he has zero feel for the game.

UcanUwill · Post #72 » by **UcanUwill** » Mon Mar 3, 2025 2:22 pm

EmpireFalls wrote:
UcanUwill wrote:
magee wrote:
Pretty sure I remember reading Steve Clifford recommended the Hornets take him.

Bad draft class and he was upside pick, we knew he can't play at this moment. Problem, hes a player you need to develop, and Hornets cant develop jack ****.

I would be shocked if any franchise in the NBA developed this guy. Hes absolutely awful he has zero feel for the game.

Yeah, maybe you are right and hes just a bust. I knew nothing about him pre draft, but I remember saying that he looked like he has most sheer potential easily, just looking at highlights. I said if you told me this draft will have next Giannis, I would have guessed its Tijane. I wont fault Hornets too much for swinging for the fences in a crap draft. Sometimes you got to take these athlete guys and just hope they have some skills and feel.

UcanUwill · Post #73 » by **UcanUwill** » Mon Mar 3, 2025 2:23 pm

God Squad wrote:You can legitimately argue that they've been perpetually bad since the Bobcat-Hornet era.

Well, they have, they haven't been good once since Bobcats, or am I forgetting some season?

God Squad · Post #74 » by **God Squad** » Mon Mar 3, 2025 2:26 pm

UcanUwill wrote:
God Squad wrote:You can legitimately argue that they've been perpetually bad since the Bobcat-Hornet era.

Well, they have, they haven't been good once since Bobcats, or am I forgetting some season?

That's what I'm saying. They've never been a good team at any point in the last 25-30 years.

UcanUwill · Post #75 » by **UcanUwill** » Mon Mar 3, 2025 2:34 pm

God Squad wrote:
UcanUwill wrote:
God Squad wrote:You can legitimately argue that they've been perpetually bad since the Bobcat-Hornet era.

Well, they have, they haven't been good once since Bobcats, or am I forgetting some season?

That's what I'm saying. They've never been a good team at any point in the last 25-30 years.

Will MJ be considered terrible owner?

EmpireFalls · Post #76 » by **EmpireFalls** » Mon Mar 3, 2025 2:49 pm

UcanUwill wrote:
God Squad wrote:
UcanUwill wrote:
Well, they have, they haven't been good once since Bobcats, or am I forgetting some season?

That's what I'm saying. They've never been a good team at any point in the last 25-30 years.

Will MJ be considered terrible owner?

He absolutely should be.

At the same time he isn’t even the worst or second worst owner in Charlotte history, so that should show you how bad things are for us.

God Squad · Post #77 » by **God Squad** » Mon Mar 3, 2025 3:11 pm

UcanUwill wrote:
God Squad wrote:
UcanUwill wrote:
Well, they have, they haven't been good once since Bobcats, or am I forgetting some season?

That's what I'm saying. They've never been a good team at any point in the last 25-30 years.

Will MJ be considered terrible owner?

Absolutely. I don't think anyone would disagree with this sentiment.

Post #78 » by **TheCage4** » Mon Mar 3, 2025 3:20 pm

Once the original iteration of the Hornets left Charlotte for New Orleans, an expansion franchise should not have been granted. It's not a city that is going to attract FA's. No disrespect to the residents, and I actually think Charlotte is a very nice city, but it's just fact.

NYPiston · Post #79 » by **NYPiston** » Mon Mar 3, 2025 3:35 pm

BigGargamel wrote:But man, they sure were cool in the 90s. Those starter jackets, y'all.

And "The Hive" Charlotte Coliseum was the place to be, they were consistently near the top of the league in attendance and, having been there in person in the Muggsy/Curry/LJ/Mourning era, can attest to it being one of the loudest arenas I've ever been in. Shame what has happened to the franchise, it's a basketball town that just needs one good team to bring the fan magic back.

xxSnEaKyPxx · Post #80 » by **xxSnEaKyPxx** » Mon Mar 3, 2025 4:11 pm

TheCage4 wrote:Once the original iteration of the Hornets left Charlotte for New Orleans, an expansion franchise should not have been granted. It's not a city that is going to attract FA's. No disrespect to the residents, and I actually think Charlotte is a very nice city, but it's just fact.

Going off that basis, there should only be like 5 teams in the NBA.

Top tier FAs are only going to a handful of teams.