Bridges Calls Thibs Out For High MPG

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Re: Bridges Calls Thibs Out For High MPG 

Post#61 » by Handlez » Thu Mar 13, 2025 4:08 am

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Stockton had 2 seasons where he averaged 37.8 mpg or more, which is how much Bridges is averaging this year. For his career he averaged 31.8 mpg.


Stockton averaged 34.7+ minutes 10 times in his career. He played 82 games 12 times.

And of course his career average mpg went down in his 35-40 playing years.

He was a tough SOB. Built far different than players today. Just be honest.


LeBron is averaging more than 34.7 mpg this season, and he’s 40.


Fantastic.

Your point?

He's the greatest athlete in NBA history.
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Post#62 » by Roscoe Sheed » Thu Mar 13, 2025 4:15 am

NZB2323 wrote:
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Stockton had 2 seasons where he averaged 37.8 mpg or more, which is how much Bridges is averaging this year. For his career he averaged 31.8 mpg.


Stockton averaged 34.7+ minutes 10 times in his career. He played 82 games 12 times.

And of course his career average mpg went down in his 35-40 playing years.

He was a tough SOB. Built far different than players today. Just be honest.


LeBron is averaging more than 34.7 mpg this season, and he’s 40.

he's also injured right now
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Post#63 » by Roscoe Sheed » Thu Mar 13, 2025 4:16 am

I wonder why the front office doesn't sit Thibs down and force him to change his ways- this method of playing guys heavy minutes in the regular season clearly has diminishing returns
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Post#64 » by marson » Thu Mar 13, 2025 4:20 am

Spo would be an ideal coach for this Knicks team. While he doesn't have the same defensive wings and guards that the current Heat roster boasts, I believe Spo could lead this team to the NBA Finals.

He is also being criticized this season for restricting Bam and Herro's minutes too much.
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Post#65 » by JujitsuFlip » Thu Mar 13, 2025 4:21 am

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I'm not a JBB truther, but we didn't have Ty Jerome for the entire year and Mobley, Mitchell, and Garland missed so many games, the starters barely played together last season. Our second units always have Mitchell/Mobley or Garland/Allen in them. When our starters miss extended periods, it impacts both units. We still don't have a legitimate backup 5 on the roster.

Even though Atkinson is running deep rotations, guys like TT or CPJ aren't getting real run. Bates is still stuck in the G League. Players like Niang got real run despite it hurting in January when Mobley went down.
But jb coached the Cavs more than just the 2023-24 season and he sucked his entire 5 seasons as head coach, when it came to rotations.


It was 4 seasons (not counting the Beilen fiasco where he coached 11 games) and only three where we weren't rebuilding. Who are the players who should've gotten run but didn't?

The first season we were good (when no one thought we'd be), Rubio and Sexton had season ending injuries a couple months in. We were so bereft of ballhandlers besides Garland that we had to overpay for LeVert at the deadline (he promptly got injured). Mobley got injured in March. Allen got injured with two weeks left in the season.

Second season we ship out Lauri, Sexton, and Agbaji (who we drafted to fill a glaring 3&D hole) for Mitchell two weeks before training camp. Rubio is unavailable the first half of the season and a shell of his former self when he comes back. Love starts fading in the second half of the season, and Wade, who was supposed to fill his role, promptly gets injured.

I covered last season, so I'll ask again, who was he supposed to give run to who was on the roster? All I'm seeing are guys who are no longer in the NBA or are bouncing between the 15th man and the G League. All of Rondo, Danny Green, and Morris got real playoff minutes and we picked them up of the waiver wire (or in Rondo's case, for a fake second).

Altman is a better coach for this team and likely a better overall coach, but the idea that JBB had untapped potential waiting on his bench is just fantasy.
Bro, Altman is the GM, why you keep calling him the coach, all season, is beyond me.

Kenny Atkinson = coach
Koby Altman = front office

Like i said, jb coached 5 seasons in CLE.

If you're a jb apologist, just say that. jb would not be playing 10 guys every night and you swore Kenny shouldn't this season either, yet he has, even when guys are injured. He believes in his bench, he trusts his bench, and he gives them confidence.
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Post#66 » by GrindCityHustle » Thu Mar 13, 2025 4:21 am

Everyone knows that thibs is like this.

Thibs takes 5 years off your career but you get paid and get to basically sit the last 2 years off that career on the bench because of injuries.
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Post#67 » by Art Vandelay » Thu Mar 13, 2025 4:23 am

I see a lot of posters pointing out how many minutes and games Stockton, Malone, MJ, Hakeem, LeBron played without being hurt. These are some of the sturdiest athletes in the history of pro sports. If they were all together on a Thibs team, his philosophy would be perfect. Give them all 42 minutes a game and win 75 games and go fo fo fo fo, great.

The problem: Athletes who aren't the freakiest of athletic freaks get hurt. Nagging injuries, freak accidents, and wear-and-tear hamper most guys, especially once it gets to April, May and June. No shame in injury, it's just reality.

Most coaches mitigate against injuries happening too frequently with days off, longer rotations, variations in minutes, and the ever-controversial load management. They change this at playoff time, when there's a little bit of Thibs in every coach.

Thibs does not ever seem to turn off playoff mode. It's a philosophical difference. It works for him! But... his players get hurt more often.

Again, if his team was constructed with all iron men, it'd be the perfect strategy. AC Green, Dolph Schayes, LeBron, and Stockton would be the perfect Thibs players. Hell, throw in Cal Ripkin! Unfortunately, coaches get a lot of athletes who may be very good players but may have average longevity.
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Post#68 » by Indomitable » Thu Mar 13, 2025 4:32 am

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Handlez wrote:They don't make em like they used to.

Go look at Stockton and Malone's minutes while playing 82 virtually every year lol.


I know I'm likely getting trolled, but I can't resist.

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You simply are saying they run more. The 90s were far more physical.
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Post#69 » by HMFFL » Thu Mar 13, 2025 5:17 am

It took everything the Knicks had to beat Portland tonight. Knicks 114-113 in OT.

Bridges played 40 minutes and to his credit he had a great game.

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Post#70 » by jbk1234 » Thu Mar 13, 2025 5:35 am

JujitsuFlip wrote:
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JujitsuFlip wrote:But jb coached the Cavs more than just the 2023-24 season and he sucked his entire 5 seasons as head coach, when it came to rotations.


It was 4 seasons (not counting the Beilen fiasco where he coached 11 games) and only three where we weren't rebuilding. Who are the players who should've gotten run but didn't?

The first season we were good (when no one thought we'd be), Rubio and Sexton had season ending injuries a couple months in. We were so bereft of ballhandlers besides Garland that we had to overpay for LeVert at the deadline (he promptly got injured). Mobley got injured in March. Allen got injured with two weeks left in the season.

Second season we ship out Lauri, Sexton, and Agbaji (who we drafted to fill a glaring 3&D hole) for Mitchell two weeks before training camp. Rubio is unavailable the first half of the season and a shell of his former self when he comes back. Love starts fading in the second half of the season, and Wade, who was supposed to fill his role, promptly gets injured.

I covered last season, so I'll ask again, who was he supposed to give run to who was on the roster? All I'm seeing are guys who are no longer in the NBA or are bouncing between the 15th man and the G League. All of Rondo, Danny Green, and Morris got real playoff minutes and we picked them up of the waiver wire (or in Rondo's case, for a fake second).

Altman is a better coach for this team and likely a better overall coach, but the idea that JBB had untapped potential waiting on his bench is just fantasy.
Bro, Altman is the GM, why you keep calling him the coach, all season, is beyond me.

Kenny Atkinson = coach
Koby Altman = front office

Like i said, jb coached 5 seasons in CLE.

If you're a jb apologist, just say that. jb would not be playing 10 guys every night and you swore Kenny shouldn't this season either, yet he has, even when guys are injured. He believes in his bench, he trusts his bench, and he gives them confidence.


You didn't answer the question. Who was JBB supposed to play that he didn't?
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Jarret Allen isn’t winning you anything. Garland won’t show up in the playoffs. Mobley is a glorified dunk man. Mitchell has some experience but is a liability on defense. To me, the Cavs are a treadmill team.
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Post#71 » by Bloodbather » Thu Mar 13, 2025 6:01 am

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So you're just making things up to fit your argument.

10 times more taxing lol.

You don't ever look in the mirror and ask yourself why you must live in a fantasy to feel at ease?


Low effort troll attempt. Respond with some actual substance or don't respond.


Your post had zero substance.

Just some made up BS.

Here's the fact...

Players, and men in general, were tougher back then. Men, in general, are getting weaker and weaker as each generation passes. This is factual.

And it's okay to admit it.


What you perceive as "men getting weaker" is them getting smarter and more resourceful. It's about not taxing yourself for no good reason. You improve the conditions so that it's not as tough. That's how it works. It's foolish to have an infatuation with appearing tough and refusing improvement.

Also, players have to cover more distance and do more lateral movement compared to previous eras. This makes them more susceptible to injury. It's not the same game.
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Post#72 » by -Luke- » Thu Mar 13, 2025 6:12 am

"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result"
Thibs: "Sounds like a plan!"
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Post#73 » by CIN-C-STAR » Thu Mar 13, 2025 6:17 am

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Running from block to block and defending some other big guy that won't go out more than 15 ft from the rim isn't the same as perimeter defenders today having to fight over multiple screens or closing out on shooters that may or may not put the ball on the floor.

You guys sound ridiculous when you compare minutes from previous eras to today.


Oh ya man, no doubt. I don't see players just standing around in the corner every single game and not moving; my eyes are deceiving me.

There's Reggie Miller's running everywhere out there!

10 times tougher to play in today's league!


Look at some of the tape/highlights of the 90's and 80's. You'd see MJ or whoever going 1v1 in the midrange and the rest of the team standing and watching (usually inside the 3pt line). There was a lot less ball movement, and thus more standing around, back then than today.

And now the main thing that leads to the increased mileage is the 3pt shooting and 5-out lineups. A lot of the bigs back then didn't need to ever leave the paint. And now everyone, including the bigs, have to spend a lot of time chasing players around the 3pt line.

This doesn't really get into the AAU ball stuff, which grinds players into dust before they even get in college because they played a half dozen games every weekend during the summer.


You might be completely right but I don’t think you make a great argument by giving MJ as your example.
Jordan was one of the best iso players in history so of course any team with him will iso a lot.
I could show plenty of examples of similar stuff in today’s league, like Luka getting one screen to force the switch he wants then four guys standing around while he isos. Not exactly the paramount of offensive complexity and movement, but that exact scenario was possibly the most replayed NBA clip of last season, with Luka cooking Gobert in an iso to send his team to the Finals.
But that’s why you can’t form conclusions based on highlights. Guys like MJ and Luka are the exceptions. You’ll see them overrepresented in highlights by a lot, but you’d have to watch the other 29 teams including the ones that don’t have a superstar to get a clearer picture of league wide trends.
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Post#74 » by ForeverTFC » Thu Mar 13, 2025 6:22 am

Indomitable wrote:
ForeverTFC wrote:
Handlez wrote:They don't make em like they used to.

Go look at Stockton and Malone's minutes while playing 82 virtually every year lol.


I know I'm likely getting trolled, but I can't resist.

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You simply are saying they run more. The 90s were far more physical.


Myth.
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Post#75 » by ForeverTFC » Thu Mar 13, 2025 6:26 am

Handlez wrote:
MrBigShot wrote:
Low effort troll attempt. Respond with some actual substance or don't respond.


Your post had zero substance.

Just some made up BS.

Here's the fact...

Players, and men in general, were tougher back then. Men, in general, are getting weaker and weaker as each generation passes. This is factual.

And it's okay to admit it.


How many saber-toothed tigers have you fought?
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Post#76 » by Handlez » Thu Mar 13, 2025 6:32 am

ForeverTFC wrote:
Handlez wrote:
MrBigShot wrote:
Low effort troll attempt. Respond with some actual substance or don't respond.


Your post had zero substance.

Just some made up BS.

Here's the fact...

Players, and men in general, were tougher back then. Men, in general, are getting weaker and weaker as each generation passes. This is factual.

And it's okay to admit it.


How many saber-toothed tigers have you fought?


None.

I'm a weakling from 2025 lol
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Post#77 » by HMFFL » Thu Mar 13, 2025 6:52 am

-Luke- wrote:"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result"
Thibs: "Sounds like a plan!"
Look over the Knicks history before Tom Thibodeau turned things around. Oh, how people forget.

Non All-Star Mikal Bridges has an issue? Okay!



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Post#78 » by CIN-C-STAR » Thu Mar 13, 2025 7:24 am

Indomitable wrote:
ForeverTFC wrote:
Handlez wrote:They don't make em like they used to.

Go look at Stockton and Malone's minutes while playing 82 virtually every year lol.


I know I'm likely getting trolled, but I can't resist.

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You simply are saying they run more. The 90s were far more physical.


I have no idea where this graph comes from, its methodology, or how reliable of a source it is (the numbers should be pretty accurate for recent years, but I've no idea how they would determine this for the 1980 season when I'm not even sure there is game footage available for every game back then), but let's assume it's true and break the numbers down a bit...

The graph shows that roughly 200 more miles are covered over an 82-game span now than in 1980.
To break that down per game, we divide 200 by 82, and we get 2.44 additional miles per game.
But of course each game is played by 10 players, not 1. So when we distribute the additional miles per player, we get about .244 additional miles for each player. Now that we are into fractions, let's convert to meters to make it easier.
1 mile is roughly 1,609 meters, so .244 miles is about 392.6 meters.
But of course players don't play a full 48 minutes, there are subs. Bridges, for example, only plays about 75% of each game on average.
And if we take the 392.6 meters and multiply by 0.75, we see that a player like Bridges is moving an additional 295 meters per game than a player from 1980 that played the same minutes.
According to this article, that's about 1-minute of sprinting for a male in good shape: https://www.weekand.com/healthy-living/article/average-time-male-run-300-meters-18058607.php
Feel free to check my math, as it's late, but I'm pretty sure I did that right.

So 1-minute of extra sprinting per game, not insignificant by any means, but we also have to factor in that high-end starters like Bridges would probably be playing more minutes in previous eras, so the difference is likely less in actuality.
Plus modern NBA players get private jets instead of flying commercial (or buses way back in the day), they don't have the grueling schedule players in the past had to deal with (games on three consecutive nights sometimes back in 1980, but even up until recently five games in 7 nights was not uncommon), and of course all the advanced training and breakthroughs in diet that fans of the modern game remind us about regularly, which should be helping players recover and stay healthier and fresher for games.
Plus, there was literally no such thing as a flagrant foul in 1980, so I do think the game was rougher as players weren't as protected as they are now, not to say the game isn't more physical in other ways now (offensive players are allowed to initiate much more contact now than they were in 1980, for example).

Not really taking a side here, I just thought it'd be interesting to see how the numbers break down.
Personally, I think what Thib's does with minutes is fine, but all of his starters should get like 4-5 rest days per year imo to help their body recover. I think that would likely have more benefit than a couple less minutes a game, but I'm not an expert on the human body and physiology so maybe I'm off base on that one.
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Post#79 » by Optms » Thu Mar 13, 2025 7:27 am

Just a reminder Allen Iverson was 185 pounds soaking wet while leading the league in minutes with well over 40 mpg for several years. And he wasn't out there shooting 3s either.
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Post#80 » by Ruma85 » Thu Mar 13, 2025 9:07 am

Wingy wrote:Knicks bench isn’t exactly loaded. I’m sure he could chop some minutes during blowouts either direction, but for the most part, this seems like what they likely need to do to win at a high clip.


Exactly my thoughts, if you need to play Payne high minutes. You rather not.
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