Post Mortem #24 - Golden State Warriors

[nazario]

It should be pretty clear that Steph, Jimmy and even Draymond are not going anywhere. Unless Steph asks out, you'd be looking at situation similar to Dallas with the fans rioting if they trade him and I doubt anybody is giving up real assets to take on Jimmy and Dray's bloated salaries.

Except the wcf.

Generally i agree with you. They have a below average roster.
But don't be fooled. The wolves are a good team, but by no means a great one. Curry is simply the better player than Ant, even at 37. Switch Ant and Curry, and Curry would win the title by a landslide imo. And, spare me your "better roster" comparisons, since he also met by far the better teams on his way to the titles.

I don't know how much you can take from the Wolves having the freedom to sicc Mcdaniels on Butler permanently, and packing the paint with impunity - where Butler thrives - as opposed to them having to shift Mcdaniels over to trying to follow Curry more closely. Leaving Butler with more space and weaker defenders. Realistically, with a starting 5 with Conley and Ant as the other perimeter starters, thats what they would have had to do. Very little chance Conley and Ant would have been entrusted with the primary goal of stopping Curry.

If Curry were injury free this postseason it would be 50-50 proposition to reach the conference finals.

The biggest problem for Curry the last 3 seasons have been the Warriors unwillingness to commit. He's been exhausted by january carrying a team than can neither shoot nor shotcreate. He had an uptick this year bc he felt hope. That remains the same for next year.

[jkvonny]

Keep FO and coach.

Performed better than expected. Especially after gettin Butler.

Declining. Old team

Rebuild has been long overdue.

[Johnny Tomala]

2nd round exit was the expected peak for this team. Adding Jimmy gave the media some hope, but we were never a real contender.

Moving forward, we're pretty much a 2nd round treadmill team, but it is what it is. The ride has to come to an end eventually. I'm still shocked we pulled out that '22 title to be honest.

Basically that. Your title win in 2022 was miracle. I'm still mad at Celtics for choking that Game 4.

Keep, keep, as expected, declining.

[Black Jack]

Honestly if we could add one live body big and another ball handler / secondary creator we can compete next year. Curry is just that good.

All the guys pleading for us to rebuild are pathetic.

[djsunyc]

warriors fate was sealed when the botched 3 lotto picks. now it's just run it back and fade off into the sunset.

[f4p]

2nd round exit was the expected peak for this team. Adding Jimmy gave the media some hope, but we were never a real contender.

Moving forward, we're pretty much a 2nd round treadmill team, but it is what it is. The ride has to come to an end eventually. I'm still shocked we pulled out that '22 title to be honest.

Basically that. Your title win in 2022 was miracle. I'm still mad at Celtics for choking that Game 4.

Keep, keep, as expected, declining.

I'm not sure why people think 2022 was some underdog miracle. The warriors literally had the best odds entering the playoffs (at least on fan duel or whatever I was looking at).

[Kent]

You know what's crazy to think about?

What if GSW acquired Jimmy years earlier?

Don't ask me under what scenario, but younger versions of Steph, Draymond and Jimmy would be something, considering I still give them the benefit of the doubt going into next season.

[Beethoven]

Let's turn these guys back into their charlotte bobcats era perennially again.

[FarBeyondDriven]

they're stuck because they should rebuild but they can't while Kerr, Steph and Draymond are there. Reminds me of the late 80s/early 90s Celtics that were old and injury prone and held on for too long. Sure, they made some playoffs but there were well past being real threats. This of course led to some dark times in the 90s until Pierce was drafted in 1998. Steph is of course still very capable of being a championship level PG but he can't stay healthy and his supporting cast and coach don't do him any favors when he is. Kerr is incapable of developing young players so you don't want him to stay. They're likely hoping he'll retire this offseason but he'll keep collecting paychecks and likely won't retire until Steph does. That's how these fraudulent "great" head coaches are because once their meal ticket is gone they get exposed. Green is making too much money to hope to move him and they're likely not interested anyway. So Warriors fans will have to suffer through the next several years of futility in purgatory until they can properly rebuild, hopefully with a different G.M. and coach.

[Mamba81p]

Steph can’t stay healthy ? He played more than 70 games in the past 2 seasons which these days is a lot.
People say all kind of things to justify their wish: warriors in eternal rebuild mode.
Same thing happened to the Lakers before Luka trade. Everyone wanted them to rebuild because other fans don’t like them

[Black Jack]

they're stuck because they should rebuild but they can't while Kerr, Steph and Draymond are there. Reminds me of the late 80s/early 90s Celtics that were old and injury prone and held on for too long. Sure, they made some playoffs but there were well past being real threats. This of course led to some dark times in the 90s until Pierce was drafted in 1998. Steph is of course still very capable of being a championship level PG but he can't stay healthy and his supporting cast and coach don't do him any favors when he is. Kerr is incapable of developing young players so you don't want him to stay. They're likely hoping he'll retire this offseason but he'll keep collecting paychecks and likely won't retire until Steph does. That's how these fraudulent "great" head coaches are because once their meal ticket is gone they get exposed. Green is making too much money to hope to move him and they're likely not interested anyway. So Warriors fans will have to suffer through the next several years of futility in purgatory until they can properly rebuild, hopefully with a different G.M. and coach.

LMAO

Yeah, I think we should optimize for contention as long as possible with Curry, damn later on. Thanks for the advice, but no.

[Coach Carter]

This team makes me feel better about the state of my team.

[Impuniti]

2nd round exit was the expected peak for this team. Adding Jimmy gave the media some hope, but we were never a real contender.

Moving forward, we're pretty much a 2nd round treadmill team, but it is what it is. The ride has to come to an end eventually. I'm still shocked we pulled out that '22 title to be honest.

Basically that. Your title win in 2022 was miracle. I'm still mad at Celtics for choking that Game 4.

Keep, keep, as expected, declining.

They didn't choke, they just got their ass beat again and again.

[playoffs]

GS with absolutely everybody healthy is still a dangerous team that would have had an outside shot of winning it all this year. The problem is that they have no margin for injuries. Jimmy goes down, they are a lottery team. Steph goes down, they are the Washington Wizards. Draymond goes down, their defense falls apart. Hell, even Melton going down early in the season caused them to collapse. Podz and Kumbucket have potential but at this point neither of them are good enough to hold down the fort when one of the key players is down. It is what it is at this point. They don't have a ton of wiggle room to improve the team, Steph is too much of an icon to trade him (or Jimmy) and trigger a rebuild, and I don't see them getting Giannis because there are too many teams that can outbid them. So they have to hope that none of Steph/Jimmy/Dray get injured next year, and/or that at least 2-3 of the young guys make huge leaps that enable them to remain an NBA team when the Steph or Jimmy are out.

[Black Jack]

This team makes me feel better about the state of my team.

Please, Warriors were a 2nd round exit and would have went maybe 6 games vs Minny and had a good chance of winning without Curry getting a hamstring injury. A good set of all-in trades this summer could easily turn into a finals run.

Curry needs more help and lower minutes. His injury seems related to the burden of having to be a defender and rebounder against a larger, more athletic, younger Houston squad. Also it didn't help how Kerr like to dnp young athletic players.

Anyway the Warriors Dynasty after the last title are playing with house money. You have to enjoy all timers like Curry when they can still run, which they have. I think Bulls fans would have preferrred watching MJ, Pippen, and friends play as long as they wanted in Chicago instead of Curry and Chandler, just for instance. Whatever you want to say, Steph, Dray, Klay, Kerr, Durant, Igoudala, Bogut, etc. are in the rafters as an all time great run and I prefer to optimize around that then worry about acquiring new guys.

Now the Bucks, you're checkmated into sending out Giannis after only one title. You probably won't get 100 cents on the dollar because he's 30, slowly declining including due to overuse, and teams know he has only 4-5 likely to be still athletic seasons. Yes it will be a haul but most available centerpiece of trade guys like Sengun, Franz have major flaws that make it a tossup if they are real #1 players on a contender. Unlike the Dubs you only got one title out of your all-timer but savor that anyway, it's better than most franchises in the NBA like Hornets, Hawks, Wiz can say...