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[tamaraw08]

Reaves!!!!for Gafford and Christie, you’re welcome

[tamaraw08]

Gabe Vincent, pick swap…for Gafford

[hugepatsfan]

Jrue for Klay/Martin and whatever other filler Dallas needs to avoid a hard cap at 1st apron for taking back extra salary. Martin rerouted to SAC or some other team with MLE/TPE. Dallas and Boston send seconds to dump the rest of the filler too so Boston just takes back Klay.

[Duke4life831]

A healthy Lonzo Ball is probably one of the better choices. But with that said, there really is no such thing as a healthy Lonzo Ball anymore. I do think Tyus Jones is a good fit, a lot less gunners on this team compared to PHX. So I think more possessions where actual offense is being run with this Mavs team and therefor I think he would be a good fit. But If I was the Mavs, I would feel much better going into the season with Tyus being the backup PG.

I do think there is a chance the Mavs can probably get 2 guys like a Tyus, Lonzo, Brogdon and so on for pretty cheap. So that might be one route to take. Take a flyer on Lonzo hoping he stays healthy, and also sign Tyus to be the backup. Who could also come in and start if Lonzo gets banged up.

I also think Dallas is in kind of a weird situation. Even with AD and who knows when Kyrie comes back, if he comes back at all next year. AD and Kyrie are 32 and 33 years old. And its not like either one has ever been all that healthy in their careers, so I dont see either one still being big time impact guys in their late 30s like weve seen from some recent stars. So are they trying to win now? Or are they kind of in this weird not really a contender, but also not bad enough to be big time players in the lotto again (unless some weird things happen again...). If that is the case, do they think about getting a major kickstart to a rebuild after next season and trade away AD and let Kyrie walk? To get a lot of assets and salary to build a younger core around Flagg.

[MavsDirk41]

Gabe Vincent, pick swap…for Gafford

Lol really? No thanks. We already helped the Lakers out once already. Dont need to do it again.

[MavsDirk41]

Jrue for Klay/Martin and whatever other filler Dallas needs to avoid a hard cap at 1st apron for taking back extra salary. Martin rerouted to SAC or some other team with MLE/TPE. Dallas and Boston send seconds to dump the rest of the filler too so Boston just takes back Klay.

Jrue is 35, on the decline, and wayyyyy overpaid.

[Handlez]

Whoever the league gives them.

[Beethoven]

AR for a few bigs.

Do it Niko.

[Michaellam1987]

Reaves!!!!for Gafford and Christie, you’re welcome

Please be realistic, how about we also add Flagg for you? Reave's trade value has SIGNIFICANTLY declined as he is due for a big money to resign.

[MavsDirk41]

Reaves!!!!for Gafford and Christie, you’re welcome

Please be realistic, how about we also add Flagg for you? Reave's trade value has SIGNIFICANTLY declined as he is due for a big money to resign.

Read where Reaves is looking for a contract averaging 30 mil a year

[Michaellam1987]

Jrue for Klay/Martin and whatever other filler Dallas needs to avoid a hard cap at 1st apron for taking back extra salary. Martin rerouted to SAC or some other team with MLE/TPE. Dallas and Boston send seconds to dump the rest of the filler too so Boston just takes back Klay.

Holiday + #28 for Klay + Martin + Hardy is about the only way that I agree to take on Holiday's huge contract.

[Dan Z]

A healthy Lonzo Ball is probably one of the better choices. But with that said, there really is no such thing as a healthy Lonzo Ball anymore. I do think Tyus Jones is a good fit, a lot less gunners on this team compared to PHX. So I think more possessions where actual offense is being run with this Mavs team and therefor I think he would be a good fit. But If I was the Mavs, I would feel much better going into the season with Tyus being the backup PG.

I do think there is a chance the Mavs can probably get 2 guys like a Tyus, Lonzo, Brogdon and so on for pretty cheap. So that might be one route to take. Take a flyer on Lonzo hoping he stays healthy, and also sign Tyus to be the backup. Who could also come in and start if Lonzo gets banged up.

I also think Dallas is in kind of a weird situation. Even with AD and who knows when Kyrie comes back, if he comes back at all next year. AD and Kyrie are 32 and 33 years old. And its not like either one has ever been all that healthy in their careers, so I dont see either one still being big time impact guys in their late 30s like weve seen from some recent stars. So are they trying to win now? Or are they kind of in this weird not really a contender, but also not bad enough to be big time players in the lotto again (unless some weird things happen again...). If that is the case, do they think about getting a major kickstart to a rebuild after next season and trade away AD and let Kyrie walk? To get a lot of assets and salary to build a younger core around Flagg.

I think the Luka trade signaled that they're trying to win now. Then Kyrie got hurt and screwed that up.

I agree that they're in an odd spot and that they should make a move to build around Flagg, but my guess is they don't do that. It's more likely they try to compete next year and then give Kyrie an extension. That's probably not a good idea being that he'll be coming off a major injury and will be 33-34 years old. Plus, an extension will be for a lot of money.

[tamaraw08]

Gabe Vincent, pick swap…for Gafford

Lol really? No thanks. We already helped the Lakers out once already. Dont need to do it again.

and the Lakers…. ahemmm by fate Dallas won and captured the FLAGG by what? 1.8 % chance?
okay fine, we’ll throw in Deadly Sniper Dalton Knecht too for a Christie

[shi-woo]

Honestly, this all sounds more than okay. However, do you think the Celtics would add a 1st rounder in this trade too? Because while I agree that Jrue's contract is not terrible at the moment, it certainly has a chance to become one sooner than later. And the Celtics get two very good players, and basically a 1st rounder in Omax, who could develop into a rotation player. I feel like the Celtics should put in a future 1st in this deal.

I don’t think the Celtics would include a first unless they are getting 100% Salary relief which is not likely. Maybe swap rights or a second. Jrue is still the best player on the trade.

I dunno about that. I think PJ and Jrue is pretty close on-court, especially if you think Jrue will continue to get worse, as guys who have their worst seasons at the age of 34 often do. His contract just doesnt make him a reasonable target for a team already flirting with the 2nd apron

I don't think Celtic's need to throw in an unprotected 1st, because any additional picks going out are most likely going to a 3rd team to help facilitate the trade.

The team was gassed last year from the long run and the olympics, and Jrue sustained an injury to his shooting hand. He started out slow like the rest of the team and in the month when he was wearing the brace he shot poorly. After the ASB, when he switched his protective gear and got more comfortable/rest, in 18 games he shot 46/39/94, and his PER 36 numbers were similar to last years. Combine White becoming a bigger part of the offense, and Pritchard turning into the 6moty, and the drop off people keep talking about really hasn't happened yet. His role just changed, got smaller, and he got hurt for a month of the season

Jrue is easily the best player going out in the trade, on both ends of the floor, and it's not even close. His reputation and experience just add to it, but his ability to play the 1, create/run the offense, be an elite 3D SG who can play off ball, and his shooting is what sets him apart from PJ who is a similar shooter, but with less ball skills.

I also don't see the need to add that type of value to this trade, as DAL has a need for Jrue, and it's kind of apparent that PJ and Gaff are no longer a part of this teams future. This team has major depth now, and doing a 2 for 1 like this makes sense, as doing any sort of singular PJ and Gaff trade isn't bringing in a player of Jrues level or experience. If they can find that trade, sure there might be some bidding, but look at the names in this thread guys. Dlo, Dinwiddie, Jones...You can trade Gafford for someone like Knect, and PJ for something as well, but it won't be a player of Jrues status or ability, especially for players that aren't exactly going to be playing 30 min for this team.

Again, like I said, the Jrue contract is not bad, people are over stating it. He will do well next year, we saw it post ASB this year, and he will have a healthy hand next year. The last year you will have the value of a large expirering, which as we've seen with guys like Bruce Brown whose contract has turned into Pascal and Ingram, that can be a very valuable thing to a team looking to cut major money. Take this current BOS situation for example. The only year that people have to worry about is year two, and at worst your still getting a good 3D SG with championship experience.

What I think is more likely, is that Celtics add Hauser to the deal, and send out a 2nd or pick swap to a 3rd team that is taking Klay off your hands in this deal, and getting some 2nds in return. That would make much more sense, and I could def. see DET being that team. They just saw how good they did with shooting, and Beas, THJ, and Shroder are all FA. They could send someone like Sasser back in the deal, but im not sure how the money works in the deal.

I think that is more likely to happen than the Celtics giving up the best player and pick in a deal that helps other teams balance their roster.

[ACMFFL]

I don’t think the Celtics would include a first unless they are getting 100% Salary relief which is not likely. Maybe swap rights or a second. Jrue is still the best player on the trade.

I dunno about that. I think PJ and Jrue is pretty close on-court, especially if you think Jrue will continue to get worse, as guys who have their worst seasons at the age of 34 often do. His contract just doesnt make him a reasonable target for a team already flirting with the 2nd apron

I don't think Celtic's need to throw in an unprotected 1st, because any additional picks going out are most likely going to a 3rd team to help facilitate the trade.

The team was gassed last year from the long run and the olympics, and Jrue sustained an injury to his shooting hand. He started out slow like the rest of the team and in the month when he was wearing the brace he shot poorly. After the ASB, when he switched his protective gear and got more comfortable/rest, in 18 games he shot 46/39/94, and his PER 36 numbers were similar to last years. Combine White becoming a bigger part of the offense, and Pritchard turning into the 6moty, and the drop off people keep talking about really hasn't happened yet. His role just changed, got smaller, and he got hurt for a month of the season

Jrue is easily the best player going out in the trade, on both ends of the floor, and it's not even close. His reputation and experience just add to it, but his ability to play the 1, create/run the offense, be an elite 3D SG who can play off ball, and his shooting is what sets him apart from PJ who is a similar shooter, but with less ball skills.

I also don't see the need to add that type of value to this trade, as DAL has a need for Jrue, and it's kind of apparent that PJ and Gaff are no longer a part of this teams future. This team has major depth now, and doing a 2 for 1 like this makes sense, as doing any sort of singular PJ and Gaff trade isn't bringing in a player of Jrues level or experience. If they can find that trade, sure there might be some bidding, but look at the names in this thread guys. Dlo, Dinwiddie, Jones...You can trade Gafford for someone like Knect, and PJ for something as well, but it won't be a player of Jrues status or ability, especially for players that aren't exactly going to be playing 30 min for this team.

Again, like I said, the Jrue contract is not bad, people are over stating it. He will do well next year, we saw it post ASB this year, and he will have a healthy hand next year. The last year you will have the value of a large expirering, which as we've seen with guys like Bruce Brown whose contract has turned into Pascal and Ingram, that can be a very valuable thing to a team looking to cut major money. Take this current BOS situation for example. The only year that people have to worry about is year two, and at worst your still getting a good 3D SG with championship experience.

What I think is more likely, is that Celtics add Hauser to the deal, and send out a 2nd or pick swap to a 3rd team that is taking Klay off your hands in this deal, and getting some 2nds in return. That would make much more sense, and I could def. see DET being that team. They just saw how good they did with shooting, and Beas, THJ, and Shroder are all FA. They could send someone like Sasser back in the deal, but im not sure how the money works in the deal.

I think that is more likely to happen than the Celtics giving up the best player and pick in a deal that helps other teams balance their roster.

Jrue has 3 years left in his contract (year 3 is a PO), that kills all my interest in Jrue tbh.
And financially it makes little sense for the Mavs to take on all of that future money. That's why I think Klay, and maybe even Caleb, has to be included in any Jrue to Dallas deal instead of PJ.

[levon]

Chris Paul?

Lonzo's not really a PG anymore. He's a bench offball guard/wing. I can see how he would complement Kyrie, but Kyrie's not a true PG either so that's an awkward fit. And now both of them coming off significant injury.

To be honest they're probably not going to get anyone very good. Reaves actually might be their best option. Reaves/Vando for Gafford/Christie might work, but I actually think the Lakers don't do that trade and Mavs fans obviously have PTSD. And Reaves alongside Kyrie isn't a great defensive backcourt either.

[hugepatsfan]

Jrue for Klay/Martin and whatever other filler Dallas needs to avoid a hard cap at 1st apron for taking back extra salary. Martin rerouted to SAC or some other team with MLE/TPE. Dallas and Boston send seconds to dump the rest of the filler too so Boston just takes back Klay.

Holiday + #28 for Klay + Martin + Hardy is about the only way that I agree to take on Holiday's huge contract.

We'll see. if push comes to shove and BOS can't do any better they probably have to do that. But you're discounting that The first two years of Jrue's contract are basically entirely offset by the trio you have coming back in Klay/Martin/Hardy. They make $65.7M compared to I think like $68 for Jrue. Gotta factor in the roster spots too so it's definitely extra money, but small amount. And Jrue is still really, really good. Him making $32.4M this year is hardly a concern at all. The problem with his trade value is that third year because it's just hard not to project decline. Those players DAL sends back are 7th or 8th men at best.

So that's really the value proposition here for DAL. Do you take on that third year of Jrue's contract to upgrade your roster now? Personally, if I were DAL, I'd jump at it. You get a great fit now and then by the time that 3rd year kicks in you'll have picks to trade and you use Jrue as salary filler in a deal for Flagg's younger running mate after a couple runs with AD/Kyrie/Jrue supporting him.

[basketballRob]

Anthony Black and Keyonte George are both from the Dallas area. I'm not sure if Dallas has the assets to pry them away. Payton Pritchard is on a good contract.

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[The Explorer]

Bulls have a glut of combo guards. Mavs can take Ayo Dosunmu

[Larry_Russell]

Jrue, but idk how it works financially

How about something with Lakers, Mavs, Celtics?

Jrue + draft capital goes to Dallas, Gafford + ______ to Lakers, and Boston gets Rui, Maxi, Shake

How the blank gets filled in and what the draft capital is obviously makes or breaks this

Only problem is that Celtics 100% need a more reliable backup bigman behind KP who can start 30 games a year if needed. Gafford would fill that role, but perhaps there is cheaper options out there.

Personally I like MArk Williams from Charlotte.

so maybe a follow up deal? or a 4th team?


Mavs get: Jrue, Vanderbilt and Hauser (taken into TPE)
Mavs out: Naji Marshall, Daniel Gafford, Powell, Klay Thompson and a future 2nd
Dallas adds a defensive champion PG and some good depth in Vandy and Hauser


Lakers get: Gafford
Lakers out: Vanderbilt, Knect and future 2nd
LA adds their center


Celtics get: Naji Marshall, Dalton Knect, Mark Williams, Josh Okogie (waived) and #34 from charlotte
Celtics out: Jrue Holiday, Sam Hauser and #28 pick
Celtics saves 23 million after cutting okogie, add some young depth to play out the year.


Charlotte gets: Klay Thompson, Dwight Powell,. #28, Future LA 2nd, Future Dallas 2nd
Gives, Mark Williams, Josh Okogie and #34
Charlotte takes on a little salary this year (6.6 mill) and some next year but moves up 6 spots in this draft and adds 2-2nds.