Report: Quentin Grimes asking for 25million AAV

[MrBigShot]

He is worth it. Two way star wing potential. 25 mil is not what it used to be.

But money is tight in the new CBA, and the opportunities are not there for him in Philly. I don't think he gets 25 mil.

[the_process]

I think the Sixers quietly want Grimes to take his QO.

[kg01]

Okay this might have been a just a tad optimistic on Grimes part

Of course not. I'm told, he has also asked for a no-trade clause and a say in personnel moves.

[HotelVitale]

He is worth it. Two way star wing potential. 25 mil is not what it used to be.

But money is tight in the new CBA, and the opportunities are not there for him in Philly. I don't think he gets 25 mil.

I like him but he seems a lot more like two way 4th-5th starter potential. He can create pretty well on volume but you really don’t want him to have to do that, your offense likely isn’t going to be very good if he’s got that big of a role.

He’s also a little slow as a creator and needs to dribble a lot, so he’s not necessarily a great role-playing 3rd creator within a system.

Also $25m/year is still a very large contract and investment. It’s like a top 60 contract now, probably be like top 75 in a year or two. I can see Grimes’ argument for getting that type deal but I don’t think his market agrees. Problem is that the Sixers kinda can’t pay him more than like $16m without 2nd apron stuff setting in, so the gap there’s still pretty big.

[HotelVitale]

I think the Sixers quietly want Grimes to take his QO.

Doubt that. That means getting a weird one year out of him where he’ll be pissed off at the team, preoccupied with his deal (and role and touches) even if he doesn’t want to be, and of course not part of the team’s future. Plus there’s not much they can do with the money saved from that move this season or next offseason.

I think they just want to pull him closer to that $15m range, aiming at a 3/45 or something like that. That’s a tradeable contract if the team fit and plans don’t work (either cuz injuries or McCain/Edgecombe too good), and it’s a solid deal for a 5th starter if the team is healthy and competing.

[Sixers in 4]

I think the Sixers quietly want Grimes to take his QO.

Doubt that. That means getting a weird one year out of him where he’ll be pissed off at the team, preoccupied with his deal (and role and touches) even if he doesn’t want to be, and of course not part of the team’s future. Plus there’s not much they can do with the money saved from that move this season or next offseason.

I think they just want to pull him closer to that $15m range, aiming at a 3/45 or something like that. That’s a tradeable contract if the team fit and plans don’t work (either cuz injuries or McCain/Edgecombe too good), and it’s a solid deal for a 5th starter if the team is healthy and competing.

I think they are just waiting for Grimes and his representation to lower their asking price to what the current market is which will take time I mean he was asking for 25M according to reports. Getting him to accept 15M or the 13M that other players have been forced to take isn't something that is going to happen like flipping a switch.

I think Grimes taking the QO is tough business because there simply isn't a 25M role for him next year. He is going to be a role player if guys are healthy.

[JimmyPlopper]

I really hope we can come to an agreement with the young man.

[JimmyPlopper]

I think the Sixers quietly want Grimes to take his QO.

Doubt that. That means getting a weird one year out of him where he’ll be pissed off at the team, preoccupied with his deal (and role and touches) even if he doesn’t want to be, and of course not part of the team’s future. Plus there’s not much they can do with the money saved from that move this season or next offseason.

I think they just want to pull him closer to that $15m range, aiming at a 3/45 or something like that. That’s a tradeable contract if the team fit and plans don’t work (either cuz injuries or McCain/Edgecombe too good), and it’s a solid deal for a 5th starter if the team is healthy and competing.

I think they are just waiting for Grimes and his representation to lower their asking price to what the current market is which will take time I mean he was asking for 25M according to reports. Getting him to accept 15M or the 13M that other players have been forced to take isn't something that is going to happen like flipping a switch.

I think Grimes taking the QO is tough business because there simply isn't a 25M role for him next year. He is going to be a role player if guys are healthy.

Maybe we can meet somewhere between. 54 (18 per) over three years seems reasonable to me

[Johnny Firpo]

It is amazing how much the nba landscape has changed and now players like grimes can get 8 figure salaries each year.

I mean, most of that is just the cap going up. The MLE was like 5.5 as close as 10 years ago. The 0-6 years maximum started from 15, now it starts from 38. And not only that, but you could argue that a lot of players nowadays actually has to settle for lower contracts than their market worth, because barely anyone has cap space.

[pepe1991]

And this is that part of CBA where teams are pressed between rock and hard spot.

You just feel pressured to resign him for what his agent thinks it's fair, and if you don't, there will always be some Nets ready to do so.

But if you resign several of Quentin Grimes of the world, you turn into first, potentially second apron team filled with high end role players not good enough to contend with.

Quick solution- sign & trade = why 76ers can't do it = new CBA prohibits them due hard capping at first apron, and even team who gets him would also be hard capped at first apron.

2023 CBA is idiocracy. It will just take few more years until fans figure how idiotic whole concept is set.

Guy asks 80% over MLE.

Crazy times in nba. It's similar situation with Kuminga as well. It's not that they aren't good players, it's market and navigation through new CBA that makes you second guess every move as every move narrows your options tomorrow.

[the_process]

And this is that part of CBA where teams are pressed between rock and hard spot.

You just feel pressured to resign him for what his agent thinks it's fair, and if you don't, there will always be some Nets ready to do so.

But if you resign several of Quentin Grimes of the world, you turn into first, potentially second apron team filled with high end role players not good enough to contend with.

Quick solution- sign & trade = why 76ers can't do it = new CBA prohibits them due hard capping at first apron, and even team who gets him would also be hard capped at first apron.

2023 CBA is idiocracy. It will just take few more years until fans figure how idiotic whole concept is set.

Guy asks 80% over MLE.

Crazy times in nba. It's similar situation with Kuminga as well. It's not that they aren't good players, it's market and navigation through new CBA that makes you second guess every move as every move narrows your options tomorrow.

The CBA is restricting spending just as it was designed to.

The RFAs are not getting paid because no teams have money to gov them an offer sheet. Teams don't really have to go over the MLE at this point, and the players are going to take some time to explore possible S&T options and also weigh whether it's better to just take a QO and head back to FA next year.

[Mr B]

This is why Nico traded Grimes. Grimes had already told Nico he was going to be asking for $25M+ per season. Mavs wouldn’t be able to afford that so he flipped him for a guy (Caleb Martin) that is serviceable and already locked up long enough to match Kyrie and AD’s contracts.

[Blame Rasho]

It is amazing how much the nba landscape has changed and now players like grimes can get 8 figure salaries each year.

I mean, most of that is just the cap going up. The MLE was like 5.5 as close as 10 years ago. The 0-6 years maximum started from 15, now it starts from 38. And not only that, but you could argue that a lot of players nowadays actually has to settle for lower contracts than their market worth, because barely anyone has cap space.

I remember when the mle was 2.5 million dollars. My reasoning behind my statement is that the NBA changed so much that players like him could get more money than was remotely possible. You ask a fair weather sports fan, who he is and no one would know. I am sure you can ask a kid who lives in Chicago, who is Patrick Williams and basically no one would know.

If I could invest money into nba teams like a index fund from the time I started following basketball to now the rate of return would be over 1000% when considering the value of what a nba team is worth.

[ChuckChilly]

Would like to see him on the Hawks. We need scoring off the bench. Not for that price though. That's basically DeAndre Hunter's contract, which we just got rid of.

[WargamesX]

I don’t think it’s a crazy contract I am assuming the issue is other than the small sample size of him playing at that level is the fact he did it on a mostly tanking Philly.

[flow]

This is why the Mavs traded him. They were not able to get an early signing, and he wanted more. Then he went berserk with the Sixers. No wonder he is asking for this.

And that's the trajectory he was on, to be fair.

Some of us on the Pistons board were pissed when Langdon traded him to you guys for THJ. That disappointment dissipated as Hardaway put together a nice season. But Grimes' season is what I expected it might be. The guy's legit. His ask may be a bit high at this point, but those poo-pooing and clowning it out of pocket just haven't been paying attention.

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[dirkdiggler4177]

This is why the Mavs traded him. They were not able to get an early signing, and he wanted more. Then he went berserk with the Sixers. No wonder he is asking for this.

And that's the trajectory he was on, to be fair.

Some of us on the Pistons board were pissed when Langdon traded him to you guys for THJ. That disappointed dissipated as Hardaway put together a nice season. But Grimes' season is what I expected it might be. The guy's legit. His ask may be a bit high at this point, but those poo-pooing and clowning it out of pocket just haven't been paying attention.

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He was one of my favorite players in Dallas, and I felt he should have started over Klay Thompson. With that said, there is a lot of evidence that he is not as good as he showed with the Sixers. In New York, he struggled to get back after an injury, and Donte DiVincenzo took his role. The Pistons did not keep him, and the Mavericks never wanted to give him the MLE or something around that.

I think he is a solid player, but there is no way all of those coaches and GMs had a 20ppg, top POA defender on their roster and were not able to see it.
Maybe he is the next Kevin Martin, but I doubt it.

I wish we had him instead of Klay Thompson.

[MrGoat]

For what he brings that's not even an unreasonable ask. He's a legit two way player, a lot of defensive players get called two way players even though they're really not because they stink on offense but Grimes killed it on offense for the Sixers after getting traded there

[Mr B]

This is why the Mavs traded him. They were not able to get an early signing, and he wanted more. Then he went berserk with the Sixers. No wonder he is asking for this.

And that's the trajectory he was on, to be fair.

Some of us on the Pistons board were pissed when Langdon traded him to you guys for THJ. That disappointment dissipated as Hardaway put together a nice season. But Grimes' season is what I expected it might be. The guy's legit. His ask may be a bit high at this point, but those poo-pooing and clowning it out of pocket just haven't been paying attention.

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Very doubtful that Grimes continues to play the way he did the second half of last season. Someone is going to give Grimes $20M+ per season and immediately regret it.

[dirkdiggler4177]

For what he brings that's not even an unreasonable ask. He's a legit two way player, a lot of defensive players get called two way players even though they're really not because they stink on offense but Grimes killed it on offense for the Sixers after getting traded there

But did he play defense during this time? I did not watch the games, but there are very few players in this league at the wing who do both at the same time. It's a stammina thing.