Shams: Keegan Murray Agrees to 5-yr/$140M Rookie Contract Extension with the Kings

[bonita_the_frog]

Keegan Murray @ Iowa 2021-22 averaged 23.5 points on .554 shooting and .398 three-pointer% (66 of 166)!

[Quattro]

The NBA would be a better league if there was a culture of earning your salary. Nothing against Murray, but he hasn't earned that contract. I know it's nothing new. This has been going on for decades, and that's the problem.

The quality of this league would change dramatically if contracts were unguaranteed.

Right. Cause we all pay to see the billionaires and they really need to make more money

[Anderson Hunt]

The NBA would be a better league if there was a culture of earning your salary. Nothing against Murray, but he hasn't earned that contract. I know it's nothing new. This has been going on for decades, and that's the problem.

The quality of this league would change dramatically if contracts were unguaranteed.

Right. Cause we all pay to see the billionaires and they really need to make more money

I don't hate billionaires like some people do.

That being said, my real issue is watching unmotivated players and the lack of flexibility a team has when they sign guys to bad deals.

Unguaranteed contracts solve both of those issues for me.

Does the CBA need to be modified in other ways too? Yes, of course, but if you completely remove a player's ability to collect his checks with no consequence, he'll play harder and smarter to keep his checks, and if teams are somehow given the ability to cut-bait on bad deals, more teams will have the ability to become competitive without the burden of playing guys strictly because of their high-salaries.

I don't care about the owners. I'm speaking from one sole vantage point -- making the on-court product better.

I also believe the NBA should be far more invested in making sure college basketball is operating at its highest level.

When college basketball is must-see TV, the NBA reaps the benefits. I'd require players to stay in school for three years minimum.

Lastly, the league needs more maturity. Players on minimum deals with 10 years or more of experience should not count against the cap.

All of these changes have no regard for the pockets of billionaires. They have everything to do with a better fan experience. If the owners somehow benefit, so be it.

[Handlez]

Say what lol

[SNPA]

The NBA would be a better league if there was a culture of earning your salary. Nothing against Murray, but he hasn't earned that contract. I know it's nothing new. This has been going on for decades, and that's the problem.

The quality of this league would change dramatically if contracts were unguaranteed.

Right. Cause we all pay to see the billionaires and they really need to make more money

I don't hate billionaires like some people do.

That being said, my real issue is watching unmotivated players and the lack of flexibility a team has when they sign guys to bad deals.

Unguaranteed contracts solve both of those issues for me.

Does the CBA need to be modified in other ways too? Yes, of course, but if you completely remove a player's ability to collect his checks with no consequence, he'll play harder and smarter to keep his checks, and if teams are somehow given the ability to cut-bait on bad deals, more teams will have the ability to become competitive without the burden of playing guys strictly because of their high-salaries.

I don't care about the owners. I'm speaking from one sole vantage point -- making the on-court product better.

I also believe the NBA should be far more invested in making sure college basketball is operating at its highest level.

When college basketball is must-see TV, the NBA reaps the benefits. I'd require players to stay in school for three years minimum.

Lastly, the league needs more maturity. Players on minimum deals with 10 years or more of experience should not count against the cap.

All of these changes have no regard for the pockets of billionaires. They have everything to do with a better fan experience. If the owners somehow benefit, so be it.

Yeah…NBA players should have to earn their money like billionaires did! lol.

The quality of billionaires would change dramatically if their tax breaks and monopolies were unguaranteed.

[Anderson Hunt]

Me: "Bad contracts make players lazy and hurt team flexibility to improve their roster."
Others: " What about billionaires?"

Stay focused.

[Effigy]

The NBA would be a better league if there was a culture of earning your salary. Nothing against Murray, but he hasn't earned that contract. I know it's nothing new. This has been going on for decades, and that's the problem.

The quality of this league would change dramatically if contracts were unguaranteed.

Right. Cause we all pay to see the billionaires and they really need to make more money

It doesn't have to be a system that benefits the billionaires. The ideal system would be something like everybody gets x amount of money guaranteed and then based on performance, factors like games played, advanced stats, they get bonuses on top of that. So the same money gets spent, but goes to the ones who play in the game and play well. I'd emphasize advanced stats so we don't just get ball hogging. You can chuck if you want, but that's going to cost you money. Anyway, I realize that's impossible, but I like thinking about it.

[xdrta+]

It doesn't have to be a system that benefits the billionaires. The ideal system would be something like everybody gets x amount of money guaranteed and then based on performance, factors like games played, advanced stats, they get bonuses on top of that. So the same money gets spent, but goes to the ones who play in the game and play well. I'd emphasize advanced stats so we don't just get ball hogging. You can chuck if you want, but that's going to cost you money. Anyway, I realize that's impossible, but I like thinking about it.

Hmm, pay everybody according to their stats and games played. Injuries, too bad. It's also possible that stats don't tell the whole story of a player's value. You could cut out a lot of front office personnel though, since judgement would be unnecessary.

[wco81]

It might make sense if Fox was still on the team and they had a good chance to get into the playoffs and competing once they did.

Without Fox, it's hard to see this team competing without getting some more high lottery picks again.

[UcanUwill]

2025 versions of Linas Kleiza now get 30 Mil a year...

[ThatBoyNick]

I think Jabari was well overpaid himself, these extensions really confuse me. Teams outbid the market by a mile and take all the risk to keep players “happy”

[tcheco]

Hating on players getting paid more than their production and upside suggested they should get has nothing to do with billionaires getting more or less money. As much of a case you want to make that Keegan "deserves" this salary, this means less money available for other players because of cap implications, no?

Some players will hit free agency after good years and there will be less money available to them because of bad decisions from GMs.

I'm all for hating on billionaires, but count me out of shaming someone just because they dont think Murray deserves that extra 10M per that he got and that another player might not get. I dont mind guaranteed contracts, Its not even my money, but if someone wants to pay that much money to a 12/6.7/1.4/0.8/0.9 player with 44/34 splits, I think its fair people question if money in a league with cap restrictions is being properly distributed.

[Quattro]

Me: "Bad contracts make players lazy and hurt team flexibility to improve their roster."
Others: " What about billionaires?"

Stay focused.

Has nothing to do with focus. The NBAPA and the owners have an agreement on how to split revenue. You're suggesting that players should get much less of that pot than theyre currently making which would obviously mean the owners get much more.


Why would anyone want that? Whos fault is it that teams give out "bad contracts" regularly? The players? Why should the players have to pay for the teams stupidity?

[Effigy]

It doesn't have to be a system that benefits the billionaires. The ideal system would be something like everybody gets x amount of money guaranteed and then based on performance, factors like games played, advanced stats, they get bonuses on top of that. So the same money gets spent, but goes to the ones who play in the game and play well. I'd emphasize advanced stats so we don't just get ball hogging. You can chuck if you want, but that's going to cost you money. Anyway, I realize that's impossible, but I like thinking about it.

Hmm, pay everybody according to their stats and games played. Injuries, too bad. It's also possible that stats don't tell the whole story of a player's value. You could cut out a lot of front office personnel though, since judgement would be unnecessary.

A guy injured the whole season would get the base but no bonus. Base might be the vet minimum or equivalent. Still make a real nice living on that and when you’re healthy and can play you get more if you play well.

[xdrta+]

It doesn't have to be a system that benefits the billionaires. The ideal system would be something like everybody gets x amount of money guaranteed and then based on performance, factors like games played, advanced stats, they get bonuses on top of that. So the same money gets spent, but goes to the ones who play in the game and play well. I'd emphasize advanced stats so we don't just get ball hogging. You can chuck if you want, but that's going to cost you money. Anyway, I realize that's impossible, but I like thinking about it.

Hmm, pay everybody according to their stats and games played. Injuries, too bad. It's also possible that stats don't tell the whole story of a player's value. You could cut out a lot of front office personnel though, since judgement would be unnecessary.

A guy injured the whole season would get the base but no bonus. Base might be the vet minimum or equivalent. Still make a real nice living on that and when you’re healthy and can play you get more if you play well.

Yeah, like I said, if you're injured, too bad, tough luck.. What if not enough players' stats measure up to what you consider playing well? Where would the extra money go that the players are guaranteed? And apparently you don't have an answer for a player whose contributions to winning aren't measured in stats. It does happen, you know.

Edit: And a player doesn't have to be out for the season, since you're counting the number of games played to decide how much he gets paid.

[tcheco]

It doesn't have to be a system that benefits the billionaires. The ideal system would be something like everybody gets x amount of money guaranteed and then based on performance, factors like games played, advanced stats, they get bonuses on top of that. So the same money gets spent, but goes to the ones who play in the game and play well. I'd emphasize advanced stats so we don't just get ball hogging. You can chuck if you want, but that's going to cost you money. Anyway, I realize that's impossible, but I like thinking about it.

Hmm, pay everybody according to their stats and games played. Injuries, too bad. It's also possible that stats don't tell the whole story of a player's value. You could cut out a lot of front office personnel though, since judgement would be unnecessary.

A guy injured the whole season would get the base but no bonus. Base might be the vet minimum or equivalent. Still make a real nice living on that and when you’re healthy and can play you get more if you play well.

A Star getting injured playing for the team shouldnt lose that much money honestly. Or training with the team. I can't agree with that if the non paid money is not redirected to other players. Haliburton shouldnt lose all that money after sacrificing himself in a game 7 of the finals.

I think you can make more specific contracts. Zion is a good case, if he goes up from x weight during 2 seasons of a 5 year contract, the last 3 years of the contract will be half of the original money, and that extra money can be used to sign another player. Of course there's always the risk of a desperate terrible team offering a contract without it in UFA, but for RFA might make sense.

Relocating money around contracts with these specifics would be ideal, sometimes a player sign a contract below his value for 5 years and in one year he makes a leap that makes him underpaid for 4 years, while the team is paying big money to deadweight players too(, which would be great to correct, but this is way too complicated to solve in a bb forum on a thursday aftenoon

[BrianInPhilly]

I watched Kings often last year & Murray’s play was so up and down. Overall he was stellar on defense, pedestrian offensively. Was that cause of system? Partly but he also had a shocking lack of aggression at times. Which was shocking partly cause he didn’t lack that on defense much of all. King essentially asked him to play the Aaron Gordon role often of masking Sabonis if he had to - and still asked hi to guard the best 2/3 wing often too. He mostly delivered defensively. How shot was so inconsistent though. If Kings know more than we do (example he was shining in off-season workouts, or lingering injury last year we didn’t know about) this will prob be a solid contract. But he has to be more effective offensively.

[Indomitable]

Keegan's numbers went down because Vivek wanted DeRozan (guy is obsessed with "name" players). Not his fault the ownership is stupid AF.

Derozan with that iso game