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[PostGameDaVinci]

Both players are best utilized on the ball.

Yea but so is damn near every other star duo in the league. The best 2 players on the last 3 champs all were best utilized on ball. Steph is really the only guy who's best off ball.

Young Freak (trademark pending) would have a great 2 man game. You can't switch on screens. Either one can be the ball handler. Trae loves a super high ball screen & he's a wayyy better passer than Dame. He's also showing more willingness to move off ball. I don't see how it wouldn't work.

Giannis is a terrible pick and roll player, he doesn't set good screens. He also isn't a good cutter. He's a great transition player.

And the Trae Young off ball thing is a meme. It's something people say because he's light skin and he can shoot half-court. He isn't doing Iverson cuts out there.

Only thing he does off ball is give the ball up in transition so he can space the floor since he's the only shooting threat on the team and showing the awareness to relocate to the corner 3.

Moving Trae off ball isn't a good idea. What would've been a good idea is to apply the CP3-Harden Houston Rockets model, and have 2 guards that can generate offense at will, so when one sits, the other is in.

They had the right idea to get a second guard but they were late night box score watching and got DJ when they could've gotten Mitchell.

The whole, "off-ball star is necessary" isn't true. I rather have two guys that can drop 25 pts and 8 assists a game on ball than have one be a mediocre off-ball player.

As long as they can shoot, they can't be doubled anyway.

Giannis is a terrible pnr player is an insane take. Giannis won a chip off the strength of pnr. Dame & Giannis actually had great numbers running pnr. He's great as the ball handler and the roll man. And Trae is a much better passer out of pnr than Dame.

I'm not saying Trae is Steph out there but he's definitely moved more offball & does more of the little things since Snyder got there. He'll still provide spacing and be the best passer Giannis has played with. He's not supposed to be Kyle Korver.

Even if Giannis clears out a side like he likes to do, Trae as a weak side initiator off a rotating defense is elite offense.

Trae & Mitchell would be a clunky fit, just like Garland & Mitchell. The best star duos are the ones that can play 2 man game with each other. That my turn your turn offense you're describing is what you do when your best players don't have chemistry. It only worked in Houston because they were both all-time great playmakers with elite roster construction.

[threethehardway]

Giannis is a terrible pnr player is an insane take. Giannis won a chip off the strength of pnr. Dame & Giannis actually had great numbers running pnr. He's great as the ball handler and the roll man. And Trae is a much better passer out of pnr than Dame.

I'm not saying Trae is Steph out there but he's definitely moved more offball & does more of the little things since Snyder got there. He'll still provide spacing and be the best passer Giannis has played with. He's not supposed to be Kyle Korver.

Even if Giannis clears out a side like he likes to do, Trae as a weak side initiator off a rotating defense is elite offense.

Trae & Mitchell would be a clunky fit, just like Garland & Mitchell. The best star duos are the ones that can play 2 man game with each other. That my turn your turn offense you're describing is what you do when your best players don't have chemistry. It only worked in Houston because they were both all-time great playmakers with elite roster construction.

Giannis is a terrible pick and roll man. Giannis won a championship because he's Giannis and Khris Middleton is a good pick and roll player.

What makes a big a good roller isn't being able to score in the pick and roll but being able to clear out a defender on the screen and able to do a variety of screens.

That's what makes Adams a great pick and roll big. Giannis slips his screens because he's focused on scoring, not getting the ball handler free.

Look at a pick from Steven Adams for Ja and look at pick from Giannis for Dame. Giannis 8 out of 10 is avoiding contact like the plague. What makes a defense react is the fact it is Dame and Giannis. Dame is going to be trapped no matter what and defenders are going to build the wall no matter what because that's the default coverage.

Adams is practically a lineman. Ja is getting a wide open floater. And Adams is big and quick enough to get the rebound if Ja misses.

I think fans are so obsessed with chemistry and etc. like it's a video game or something instead of overwhelming talent.

Tatum and Jaylen Brown don't have offensive synergy, but they both can get 25 7 7 and play defense that's all that truly matters. They have synergy with the entire roster.

SGA and JDub don't have great offensive chemistry and it doesn't really matter. JDub is going to play hard, get his 21 points off the scraps.

Jokic and Jamal Murray can read each other minds, and I would take Tatum and Brown over them because two wings that can do what they do is just better.

Trae Young is a tier above Garland. Trae is a one man offense. Donovan Mitchell is a one man offense. Two guards that can overwhelm a defense alone.

Rockets went to the WFC taking turns with an end of prime CP3. Garland and Mitchell won 60 plus games taking turns. Taking turns is way more successful than forcing synergy for synergy sake.

Trae and Mitchell would take turns with a defensively slanted roster and it would make more sense than running Trae and Giannis running a crappy pick and roll that can be stopped if defenses see it enough times. As if setting picks isn't a skill. There's a reason why Giannis doesn't do it frequently, he isn't particularly good at and it is a last resort you pull out when you have critical possessions. It works because defenses don't see it often.

Elite pick and roll creators need hard screens from a variety of different angles and a roll man that can do subtle manipulations that can get them free.

Trae, Dame, use high screens to get to the three point line. Giannis wants to be closer to the free throw line so he can slip and get a bucket.

Khris Middleton is a forward that can see over the top of the defense that uses his height to and the pick and roll to let off midrange shots.

Which is why Khris and Giannis worked. It was a simple PNR that Khris can get to his spot. And Giannis can get to the rim in two steps.

Is Giannis going to be a pick and roll big that runs out to the 3 point line and set 20 picks a game so Trae can run Trae ball? No. So why get him for a 2 man game that you wouldn't actually run in a regular basis?

I rather get an actual elite pick and roll big and run Trae Ball and when Trae sits, run Mitchell ball. I can have Trae pass to Mitchell on off ball actual since Mitchell is a decent off-ball mover and an elite 3 point shot maker.

You can get 48 minutes of elite consistent lead guard play or you can run a Giannis/Trae pick and roll five times a game?

Giannis isn't a pick and roll big. He's a slashing ball handling forward from day one. Pairing him with an elite pick and roll guard makes no sense. It only makes sense in 2K.

Pairing him with Devin Booker makes sense, since Booker is a good off-ball mover and doesn't rely on the pick roll like Trae or Dame for offense. Pairing Giannis with Wemby makes sense because Giannis can be the ball handler and Wemby the roller and also space the floor.

[basketballRob]

I know he was asking for the same money as Suggs.

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[ChuckChilly]

Maybe I'm crazy but DD doesn't seem to be playing with the same amount of vigor as last year. Hoping it's just him warming up and not him having fat cat syndrome.