Pablo Torre: Ty Lue Linked to Chauncey Billups’ Gambling Scandal

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Re: Pablo Torre: Ty Lue Linked to Chauncey Billups’ Gambling Scandal 

Post#61 » by Indomitable » Fri Oct 31, 2025 9:32 pm

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Larry Ellison wrote:Respectfully, we don't know what evidence Wachtell Lipton has in its possession. That investigation is confidential and findings have not yet been released. Most/all of the documents that started Pablo down this road were publicly available as part of the Aspiration BK proceeding. Of course Wachtell has reviewed all of those documents. When Pablo blew the Aspiration story, he drew attention to an issue that was largely unknown to the general public. That notoriety made him a magnet for people to approach him anonymously with tips. It seems likely he now has some nonpublic info and sources. You should assume Wachtell has a list of every Aspiration employee, every Clips employee, everybody connected to Aspiration's funding rounds and discussions with potential investors, and other witnesses, and has reached out to them. The difference between Wachtell and Pablo is if they interview someone, the substance of that discussion may be memorialized in an internal memo, but it would never be publicly disclosed.

Pablo deserves credit. But it would be more accurate to compare him to other journalists and media outlets, not to FBI and Wachtell, which both are going to safeguard the confidentiality of their evidence, sources, and methods.


I was referencing the Rozier investigation that found no wrong doing, WL haven't yet presented the results of their Aspiration investigation so we can't judge it.
Rozier was investigated and league decided not pursue further actions (now insisting they didn't "clear" him), watching this episode of PTFO and the Beasley one, one can wonder, how exactly did the league NOT find anything in their 1st investigation.

Got it. I appreciate that clarification. NBA dropped the ball on Rozier. We can agree on that.

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Re: Pablo Torre: Ty Lue Linked to Chauncey Billups’ Gambling Scandal 

Post#62 » by dk1115 » Fri Oct 31, 2025 9:44 pm

I don't really understand why they do these things for what is seemingly insignificant amounts of money (for them)
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Re: Pablo Torre: Ty Lue Linked to Chauncey Billups’ Gambling Scandal 

Post#63 » by Larry Ellison » Sat Nov 1, 2025 7:00 am

dk1115 wrote:I don't really understand why they do these things for what is seemingly insignificant amounts of money (for them)

Because gambling is a rush. People chase it.
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Re: Pablo Torre: Ty Lue Linked to Chauncey Billups’ Gambling Scandal 

Post#64 » by dk1115 » Sat Nov 1, 2025 8:24 am

Larry Ellison wrote:
dk1115 wrote:I don't really understand why they do these things for what is seemingly insignificant amounts of money (for them)

Because gambling is a rush. People chase it.


I mean, I guess that's why rich people shoplift.
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Re: Pablo Torre: Ty Lue Linked to Chauncey Billups’ Gambling Scandal 

Post#65 » by Larry Ellison » Sat Nov 1, 2025 8:39 am

dk1115 wrote:
Larry Ellison wrote:
dk1115 wrote:I don't really understand why they do these things for what is seemingly insignificant amounts of money (for them)

Because gambling is a rush. People chase it.


I mean, I guess that's why rich people shoplift.

If you want to not understand, then go ahead.
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Re: Pablo Torre: Ty Lue Linked to Chauncey Billups’ Gambling Scandal 

Post#66 » by sisibilio » Sat Nov 1, 2025 9:46 am

Larry Ellison wrote:
dk1115 wrote:I don't really understand why they do these things for what is seemingly insignificant amounts of money (for them)

Because gambling is a rush. People chase it.

But they're not gambling, just scamming people.
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Re: Pablo Torre: Ty Lue Linked to Chauncey Billups’ Gambling Scandal 

Post#67 » by sisibilio » Sat Nov 1, 2025 9:55 am

TheGeneral99 wrote:
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jbk1234 wrote:Did Lue win, or was he one of the marks who didn't realize the game was rigged?

A very good question that illuminates the limits of what Pablo has so far asserted, which is that Lue was good friends with Damon and Chauncey. Ok, nothing illegal about that. Pablo is implying wrongdoing without even being specific about whether Lue was perp or victim. Where there is smoke, there is fire, is what Pablo wants us to believe. He is drip feeding us again. I really hate how he does this because he wants listeners to buy in to his conclusions before he proves them. Guilt by insinuation. Stay tuned! I will skip the podcasts and wait for real evidence to be disclosed.

I do think we could be looking at a tip of the iceberg situation with this NBA gambling scandal. It will be interesting to see how it unfolds. But Pablo is messing with people's reputations for clicks. He better not be wrong. In the old days of print journalism, newspaper editors would vet sources before investigative articles were ever printed.


To be fair, I listened to the podcast and Pablo made it clear that there was no evidence implicating Ty Lue. He was merely pointing out the Ty Lue was best friends with Chauncy and loved to gamble. They were merely interested as to whether Ty Lue may have also been involved, but they never claimed that he was.

If he didn't any evidence/clue that Lue is somehow involved, just naming him in this context i assume could lead to a defamation trial..
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Re: Pablo Torre: Ty Lue Linked to Chauncey Billups’ Gambling Scandal 

Post#68 » by dk1115 » Sat Nov 1, 2025 10:06 am

sisibilio wrote:
Larry Ellison wrote:
dk1115 wrote:I don't really understand why they do these things for what is seemingly insignificant amounts of money (for them)

Because gambling is a rush. People chase it.

But they're not gambling, just scamming people.


Yeah. I'm not really sure who's not understanding what.
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Re: Pablo Torre: Ty Lue Linked to Chauncey Billups’ Gambling Scandal 

Post#69 » by jbk1234 » Sat Nov 1, 2025 2:22 pm

sisibilio wrote:
TheGeneral99 wrote:
Larry Ellison wrote:A very good question that illuminates the limits of what Pablo has so far asserted, which is that Lue was good friends with Damon and Chauncey. Ok, nothing illegal about that. Pablo is implying wrongdoing without even being specific about whether Lue was perp or victim. Where there is smoke, there is fire, is what Pablo wants us to believe. He is drip feeding us again. I really hate how he does this because he wants listeners to buy in to his conclusions before he proves them. Guilt by insinuation. Stay tuned! I will skip the podcasts and wait for real evidence to be disclosed.

I do think we could be looking at a tip of the iceberg situation with this NBA gambling scandal. It will be interesting to see how it unfolds. But Pablo is messing with people's reputations for clicks. He better not be wrong. In the old days of print journalism, newspaper editors would vet sources before investigative articles were ever printed.


To be fair, I listened to the podcast and Pablo made it clear that there was no evidence implicating Ty Lue. He was merely pointing out the Ty Lue was best friends with Chauncy and loved to gamble. They were merely interested as to whether Ty Lue may have also been involved, but they never claimed that he was.

If he didn't any evidence/clue that Lue is somehow involved, just naming him in this context i assume could lead to a defamation trial..


If Lue played in the games, and that's what's being alleged, there's no basis for a defamation claim. Truth is an absolute defense.
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Re: Pablo Torre: Ty Lue Linked to Chauncey Billups’ Gambling Scandal 

Post#70 » by Larry Ellison » Sat Nov 8, 2025 2:18 pm

I find this article credible.

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba/news/poker-nba-i-played-ty-lue-and-other-players-las-vegas/196449c5fea2fa35a86a5fc7

From all appearances, Lue loves poker, but I have not seen any evidence he was complicit in the rigged games like Chauncey.

Pablo is chasing clicks off Lue's name while choosing his words carefully to avoid liability for defamation.

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