Jokic stats last 9 games: 27/12/13 on 80% TS

[slicedbread2]

The joker has more degrees than a thermometer! I tell you his brain's so big that his head has stretch marks.

It's utterly insane how easy he makes it look. To finally have a legit back up big has given him all the energy he needs to rest and then unleash when it comes time. It's honestly insane to see him take it another level but here we are. Just another day at the office for big country!

[Ben-N1ce]

I think it’s time to seriously delve into the “is this the best offensive player in the history of the game” because it sure as hell looks like it

Until he plays against plumbers there is no way to know.

[Lunartic]

I am having a very hard time telling if you're trolling or if you're being serious.

it doesn't look diffocult to me

Me neither, Jokic today scored 55 points, 6 assists, doing exactly what i asked.
And notice i never said anyone was wrong, and never bullied anyone for having a different opinion to me.

I don't see why everyone is losing it over your posts - Jokic notably was more deferential against OKC and should have scored more. He's the best scorer in the league and has been for a few years now. Obviously, you don't move away from him being goat level play-maker but you definitely want him to take more shots, esp his mid-range/short shots when the playoffs begin.

Jokic is pretty much unstoppable, whereas his teammates are pretty stoppable. Last playoffs, he averaged 3 less ppg than the RS - while his team was inconsistent offensively. No question that he should have been more assertive scoring-wise.

I don't care about "he must avg 30ppg" that's arbitrary but he should absolutely seek to dominate offensively, when Jokic scores 30+ they're more likely to win than when he scores less than 30ppg.

[nate33]

it doesn't look diffocult to me

Me neither, Jokic today scored 55 points, 6 assists, doing exactly what i asked.
And notice i never said anyone was wrong, and never bullied anyone for having a different opinion to me.

I don't see why everyone is losing it over your posts - Jokic notably was more deferential against OKC and should have scored more. He's the best scorer in the league and has been for a few years now. Obviously, you don't move away from him being goat level play-maker but you definitely want him to take more shots, esp his mid-range/short shots when the playoffs begin.

Jokic is pretty much unstoppable, whereas his teammates are pretty stoppable. Last playoffs, he averaged 3 less ppg than the RS - while his team was inconsistent offensively. No question that he should have been more assertive scoring-wise.

I don't care about "he must avg 30ppg" that's arbitrary but he should absolutely seek to dominate offensively, when Jokic scores 30+ they're more likely to win than when he scores less than 30ppg.

Jokic is smart and takes what the defense gives. His priority is to try and involve his teammates because he knows he will need them all in peak form for the playoffs. But if defenses play him for the pass, he'll score.

It would be stupid to adopt bonita's mindset of just trying to arbitrarily score 35+ points a game every night in the face of double teams. The beauty of Jokic is that he always make the right decision and attacks the defense where they are weakest.

[TinmanZBoy]

The efficiency is second to none, you don’t usually see even in video games… truly the master of NBA

[tsherkin]

Me neither, Jokic today scored 55 points, 6 assists, doing exactly what i asked.
And notice i never said anyone was wrong, and never bullied anyone for having a different opinion to me.

I don't see why everyone is losing it over your posts - Jokic notably was more deferential against OKC and should have scored more. He's the best scorer in the league and has been for a few years now. Obviously, you don't move away from him being goat level play-maker but you definitely want him to take more shots, esp his mid-range/short shots when the playoffs begin.

Jokic is pretty much unstoppable, whereas his teammates are pretty stoppable. Last playoffs, he averaged 3 less ppg than the RS - while his team was inconsistent offensively. No question that he should have been more assertive scoring-wise.

I don't care about "he must avg 30ppg" that's arbitrary but he should absolutely seek to dominate offensively, when Jokic scores 30+ they're more likely to win than when he scores less than 30ppg.

Jokic is smart and takes what the defense gives. His priority is to try and involve his teammates because he knows he will need them all in peak form for the playoffs. But if defenses play him for the pass, he'll score.

It would be stupid to adopt bonita's mindset of just trying to arbitrarily score 35+ points a game every night in the face of double teams. The beauty of Jokic is that he always make the right decision and attacks the defense where they are weakest.

It's an unfortunately-common issue with basketball fans, equating scoring volume with being the only correct path, even if decade after decade of actual basketball has generally proven that not to be true.

[PushDaRock]

Jokic HAD a good run

[PushDaRock]

but, but, but he only got 6 assists tonight, which is like D'Angelo Russell's season average or whatever (in bold, ofc), booooo the fatty

Scored 55 but gave up like 50 on the other end!!!

[Lunartic]

Me neither, Jokic today scored 55 points, 6 assists, doing exactly what i asked.
And notice i never said anyone was wrong, and never bullied anyone for having a different opinion to me.

I don't see why everyone is losing it over your posts - Jokic notably was more deferential against OKC and should have scored more. He's the best scorer in the league and has been for a few years now. Obviously, you don't move away from him being goat level play-maker but you definitely want him to take more shots, esp his mid-range/short shots when the playoffs begin.

Jokic is pretty much unstoppable, whereas his teammates are pretty stoppable. Last playoffs, he averaged 3 less ppg than the RS - while his team was inconsistent offensively. No question that he should have been more assertive scoring-wise.

I don't care about "he must avg 30ppg" that's arbitrary but he should absolutely seek to dominate offensively, when Jokic scores 30+ they're more likely to win than when he scores less than 30ppg.

Jokic is smart and takes what the defense gives. His priority is to try and involve his teammates because he knows he will need them all in peak form for the playoffs. But if defenses play him for the pass, he'll score.

It would be stupid to adopt bonita's mindset of just trying to arbitrarily score 35+ points a game every night in the face of double teams. The beauty of Jokic is that he always make the right decision and attacks the defense where they are weakest.

I agree that scoring X amount of points is pretty arbitrary when you have a multi-faceted sort of player

However, Jokic isn't some hyper-genius that constantly calculates the best course of action at all times and is infallible. There were times against OKC, he could have scored more or made a better play. His scoring is better than his teammate's and better than SGA's, he should have leveraged it more instead he scored 20ppg in Game 7 against the champs despite shooting at high efficiency - taking 9 shots as the GOAT level offensive dude makes zero sense. Braun/Murray took more FGA despite being far worse scorers.

[CodeBreaker]

I don't see why everyone is losing it over your posts - Jokic notably was more deferential against OKC and should have scored more. He's the best scorer in the league and has been for a few years now. Obviously, you don't move away from him being goat level play-maker but you definitely want him to take more shots, esp his mid-range/short shots when the playoffs begin.

Jokic is pretty much unstoppable, whereas his teammates are pretty stoppable. Last playoffs, he averaged 3 less ppg than the RS - while his team was inconsistent offensively. No question that he should have been more assertive scoring-wise.

I don't care about "he must avg 30ppg" that's arbitrary but he should absolutely seek to dominate offensively, when Jokic scores 30+ they're more likely to win than when he scores less than 30ppg.

Jokic is smart and takes what the defense gives. His priority is to try and involve his teammates because he knows he will need them all in peak form for the playoffs. But if defenses play him for the pass, he'll score.

It would be stupid to adopt bonita's mindset of just trying to arbitrarily score 35+ points a game every night in the face of double teams. The beauty of Jokic is that he always make the right decision and attacks the defense where they are weakest.

I agree that scoring X amount of points is pretty arbitrary when you have a multi-faceted sort of player

However, Jokic isn't some hyper-genius that constantly calculates the best course of action at all times and is infallible. There were times against OKC, he could have scored more or made a better play. His scoring is better than his teammate's and better than SGA's, he should have leveraged it more instead he scored 20ppg in Game 7 against the champs despite shooting at high efficiency - taking 9 shots as the GOAT level offensive dude makes zero sense. Braun/Murray took more FGA despite being far worse scorers.

He's a natural pass-first player

[RRFB]

I’ve been watching basketball since 2000. This is the greatest player I’ve seen play with my own eyes.

I’ve reached this point as well. Not going to call him the GOAT (that’s obviously a different conversation), but he’s the best player I’ve ever seen. The level of dominance he’s playing at right now is unbelievable.

[PushDaRock]

If he maintains this level of play for another 4-5 years, he will probably have a strong case for the best offensive player of all-time.

[ScrantonBulls]

The more Jokic defers, the less likely it is that Denver will win a championship.
Denver NEED homecourt ad to win a championship, now that the West is so packed, same as last year.
Jokic's never averaged 30ppg, despite even his running mate Jamal Murray being inconsistent.
So we'll see if 27ppg and 12ppg is enough for Denver to win the West, or whether all that passing will cost them.

I am having a very hard time telling if you're trolling or if you're being serious.

That poster is bensimmonsfan/camthomasfan. They were banned on their previous account for trolling. It's pretty obvious trolling.

[nate33]

However, Jokic isn't some hyper-genius that constantly calculates the best course of action at all times and is infallible.

Yeah, he basically is a hyper genius.

Sure, he is not infallable, but he is usually right. If you want to argue that in some particular game, maybe he erred a bit too much on the side of passing rather than scoring, fine. Nobody is always perfect. But to argue like bonita does that Jokic is somehow failing this season because he is passing too much while only scoring 27 points a game is patently absurd.

[Exp0sed]

Direct result of the FO finally giving Jokic some help in the form of JV and the other bench guys. He doesn't have to work as hard on offense trying to carry the team on his back. Plus he has actually gotten some decent rest in the middle of games since the bench doesn't instantly give up the lead he built when he sits. He's able to take better quality shots and not have to force things when nobody else can score. Also have to give Jamal some credit here for actually coming into the season in shape and ready to go, as he has helped ease a lot of that burden as well. He's definitely on pace to have probably his most efficient season yet, even if the counting numbers don't end up being as gaudy as previous years in the end.

Besides the added help and rest time, it was reported the Nuggets are also doing other things to improve their playoff chances and reduce wear and tear, prolong longevity

For instance, so far this season a Jokic post-up is basically the best playtype ij the league, resulting in about 1.5 point per play and has his post-ups have been elite throughout his career obviously

The Nuggets however, are intentionally trying to limit those post-ups this season,because getting inside position, holding on to it and executing, are about the most tiring thing a player can do on q court

Jokic is a 6'11, 280 dude, who has alot of NBA mileage (and int'l mileage) on his body, while thus far his career has been the picture of durability, it's good that they understand that he's not a young dude anymore..

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[Lunartic]

However, Jokic isn't some hyper-genius that constantly calculates the best course of action at all times and is infallible.

Yeah, he basically is a hyper genius.

Sure, he is not infallable, but he is usually right. If you want to argue that in some particular game, maybe he erred a bit too much on the side of passing rather than scoring, fine. Nobody is always perfect. But to argue like bonita does that Jokic is somehow failing this season because he is passing too much while only scoring 27 points a game is patently absurd.

Sure, I think Jokic is better versed at basketball than Bonita

But in the WCF series with OKC, he should have scored more which is what's driving Bonita's semi-troll but semi-truthful posting

[Iwasawitness]

The more Jokic defers, the less likely it is that Denver will win a championship.
Denver NEED homecourt ad to win a championship, now that the West is so packed, same as last year.
Jokic's never averaged 30ppg, despite even his running mate Jamal Murray being inconsistent.
So we'll see if 27ppg and 12ppg is enough for Denver to win the West, or whether all that passing will cost them.

I am having a very hard time telling if you're trolling or if you're being serious.

That poster is bensimmonsfan/camthomasfan. They were banned on their previous account for trolling. It's pretty obvious trolling.

I don't know who that is, but being fans of those two is a curious choice.

[Iwasawitness]

it doesn't look diffocult to me

Me neither, Jokic today scored 55 points, 6 assists, doing exactly what i asked.
And notice i never said anyone was wrong, and never bullied anyone for having a different opinion to me.

I don't see why everyone is losing it over your posts - Jokic notably was more deferential against OKC and should have scored more. He's the best scorer in the league and has been for a few years now. Obviously, you don't move away from him being goat level play-maker but you definitely want him to take more shots, esp his mid-range/short shots when the playoffs begin.

Jokic is pretty much unstoppable, whereas his teammates are pretty stoppable. Last playoffs, he averaged 3 less ppg than the RS - while his team was inconsistent offensively. No question that he should have been more assertive scoring-wise.

I don't care about "he must avg 30ppg" that's arbitrary but he should absolutely seek to dominate offensively, when Jokic scores 30+ they're more likely to win than when he scores less than 30ppg.

OKC did a great job of defending him. One of the reasons he wasn't so aggressive is for that exact reason.

[Lunartic]

Me neither, Jokic today scored 55 points, 6 assists, doing exactly what i asked.
And notice i never said anyone was wrong, and never bullied anyone for having a different opinion to me.

I don't see why everyone is losing it over your posts - Jokic notably was more deferential against OKC and should have scored more. He's the best scorer in the league and has been for a few years now. Obviously, you don't move away from him being goat level play-maker but you definitely want him to take more shots, esp his mid-range/short shots when the playoffs begin.

Jokic is pretty much unstoppable, whereas his teammates are pretty stoppable. Last playoffs, he averaged 3 less ppg than the RS - while his team was inconsistent offensively. No question that he should have been more assertive scoring-wise.

I don't care about "he must avg 30ppg" that's arbitrary but he should absolutely seek to dominate offensively, when Jokic scores 30+ they're more likely to win than when he scores less than 30ppg.

OKC did a great job of defending him. One of the reasons he wasn't so aggressive is for that exact reason.

Agreed, but it's not like he was inefficient. He just took very few shots while his teammates missed a bunch. I don't think there's a legit argument that he shouldn't have taken more shots in game 7.

[MarcusBrody]

Direct result of the FO finally giving Jokic some help in the form of JV and the other bench guys. He doesn't have to work as hard on offense trying to carry the team on his back. Plus he has actually gotten some decent rest in the middle of games since the bench doesn't instantly give up the lead he built when he sits. He's able to take better quality shots and not have to force things when nobody else can score. Also have to give Jamal some credit here for actually coming into the season in shape and ready to go, as he has helped ease a lot of that burden as well. He's definitely on pace to have probably his most efficient season yet, even if the counting numbers don't end up being as gaudy as previous years in the end.

Besides the added help and rest time, it was reported the Nuggets are also doing other things to improve their playoff chances and reduce wear and tear, prolong longevity

For instance, so far this season a Jokic post-up is basically the best playtype ij the league, resulting in about 1.5 point per play and has his post-ups have been elite throughout his career obviously

The Nuggets however, are intentionally trying to limit those post-ups this season,because getting inside position, holding on to it and executing, are about the most tiring thing a player can do on q court

Jokic is a 6'11, 280 dude, who has alot of NBA mileage (and int'l mileage) on his body, while thus far his career has been the picture of durability, it's good that they understand that he's not a young dude anymore..

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People have talked a lot about how getting JV has allowed Jokic to rest more and be fresher later in games, and I agree. But what I haven't seen talked about is how having JV as the Jokic sub prevents the other teams front court from resting. They're still dealing with an ox-strong 6'11", 275lb, skilled post player it continues wearing on the legs and accumulating fouls on opponents' front court rotation.