So…Giannis is Definitely Going to Demand a Trade Right?

[druggas]

I appreciate the loyalty from both sides, but it's time. Bucks need to bite the bullet, thank Giannis for being perhaps the best player in franchise history, bringing them a championship, and move on. They can really accelerate the rebuild. They've kicked the can down the road enough. This roster is in shambles, they have no assets and no real young players to build around. Swapping players out for worse versions has reached its breaking point.

You must have forgotten Kareem?

[-Luke-]

I appreciate the loyalty from both sides, but it's time. Bucks need to bite the bullet, thank Giannis for being perhaps the best player in franchise history, bringing them a championship, and move on. They can really accelerate the rebuild. They've kicked the can down the road enough. This roster is in shambles, they have no assets and no real young players to build around. Swapping players out for worse versions has reached its breaking point.

You must have forgotten Kareem?

He played there for six years. And while he was the best player in the league, I think Giannis has a pretty good case for best Buck of all time now.

[pepe1991]

Long time coming.

I argued several Bucks fans on GB about reality of their situation. They all elected to stay blind. You can't have "contender" with roster that hardly has 3 starter level players in it. Even if you talk yourself into notion that Giannis is best player in the world ( he isn't ), he still needs some baseline level of talent to win you some games, as he won't play 82 or 48 min in ones he does play.

Bucks rotation level players are basically castoffs. Cole sucked on Magic, Grizzlies waved him. Kuzma is worthless bum. Jericho Sims has no BBIQ, you are banking on development of 44th pick who was bounced among several teams before, Porter who has huge behavior issues and Portis, Giannis and Turner, some of few good players, all kind a play same position.

Given his level of stardom, and how many brainless decisions Bucks made, that no normal person would, you start to question Giannis personal involvement in some stuff that happened with Bucks, post championship win.
For start, and most jarring thing is situation with his two bum brothers on a team. Alex couldn't play serious basketball anywhere. He is G league backup. He is career sub 50% TS player. In G league.

It's just colossal mess of situation. You have superstar in his prime, who is clear cut top 3-4 player, on a team that is, without him, worst team in nba. Whole thing is like getting married at age of 18. At some point you start to realize that "forever" is way longer than is sounded when you were teenager as people drift apart and circumstances change. It's not like Jokić situation, where he might not win another title, but he is can compete for a title and be in position to win it, with Bucks & Giannis, there simply isn't objective way for them to ever be good with him on their roster.

[jokeboy86]

He won’t, because contrary how he talks Giannis does care what people think. He’s never outright or will ask for a trade because he doesn’t want people to throw things he said in the past in his face(loyalty, competing, not friends with stars, etc). He also is afraid (in his own mind) of walking out on the city of Milwaukee and leaving and the optics of how it looks locally(in his mind). Internally Giannis probably desperately wants the Bucks themselves to decide to trade him and take it out of his hands. Problem is the Bucks would rather lose 50 games with Giannis or even with an injured Giannis than face a future financially without him. So we’re at the same standstill we’ve been at for awhile.

No amount of national media pushing is going to make either party change their mind.

[jokeboy86]

I appreciate the loyalty from both sides, but it's time. Bucks need to bite the bullet, thank Giannis for being perhaps the best player in franchise history, bringing them a championship, and move on. They can really accelerate the rebuild. They've kicked the can down the road enough. This roster is in shambles, they have no assets and no real young players to build around. Swapping players out for worse versions has reached its breaking point.

You must have forgotten Kareem?

Giannis eclipsed Kareem a while ago as best Buck and at one point Ray Allen was probably even more popular than Kareem. It’s only been in the past ten years that Kareem has embraced his time in Milwaukee. Before then it was like he wanted nothing to do with the franchise or the city since the day he was traded and fans locally reciprocated the same feeling back at him. In contrast to Giannis who has embraced the city since day one.

I compare it to Melo and the Nuggets. Since Melo left for NY it was like he wanted nothing to do with Denver or the Nuggets and it’s only been recently that he’s now talking about jersey retirement and all this other stuff

[druggas]

I appreciate the loyalty from both sides, but it's time. Bucks need to bite the bullet, thank Giannis for being perhaps the best player in franchise history, bringing them a championship, and move on. They can really accelerate the rebuild. They've kicked the can down the road enough. This roster is in shambles, they have no assets and no real young players to build around. Swapping players out for worse versions has reached its breaking point.

You must have forgotten Kareem?

He played there for six years. And while he was the best player in the league, I think Giannis has a pretty good case for best Buck of all time now.

Yeah, no.

[Jadoogar]

I mean, who didn't see this coming?

Outside of Bucks fans who thought Giannis mere presence would turn Turner into a star player, I think the rest of us, we all knew this was coming. I would assume a good number of Bucks fans even could see this.

the turner thing reeked of desperation. He's a fine player but not a game changer. Stretching lillard only to sign turner was an insane move.
They will end up loosing him anyways and will be left with Turner and Lillard's dead money on their books for the next half decade.

[wegotthabeet]

Those MIL picks and swaps looking better and better.

Milwaukee is cooked either way. It’s going to take a decade to rebuild this team and the Giannis return is going to be incredibly underwhelming.

[KGtabake]

You must have forgotten Kareem?

He played there for six years. And while he was the best player in the league, I think Giannis has a pretty good case for best Buck of all time now.

Yeah, no.

No what?
He's the franchise leader in points, rebounds, assists, blocks, games, FG%, win shares, efficiency, BPM, individual accolades.
That escalated in 2021. After this, it's only even more stats.

[JRoy]

Those MIL picks and swaps looking better and better.

Milwaukee is cooked either way. It’s going to take a decade to rebuild this team and the Giannis return is going to be incredibly underwhelming.

MIL is in a tight spot.

Not good enough to win, no assets to improve and owing picks.

Ideally they would do a 3 way deal to recoup dealt picks.

[HMFFL]

He really only has himself to blame. Has 2 of his brothers on the roster. Made the Bucks trade for Dame then buy him out. He wanted to bring Turner on board. He hated Griffin which is how they got Doc.

Like literally everything is his fault, he wanted to try out the GM role and this is what he got, his current situation.

Sad, but true.
Giannis kept the band together and they stayed together too long.

[Big nick]

If Okc is smart(and I think they are) they show no interest in any over 30 player with a history of missing playoffs. All they have to do is keep their core together and use picks or young players to fill in gaps. It's easy mode if they just leave it alone.

There is zero reason for OKC to do anything, other than perhaps trade Dieng and a first round pick for a quality backup big (like Jock Landale or something.) They can worry about things once the luxury tax issues creep up. They have a nearly perfect thing going, I don't see any appeal for making a huge change.

Watch the Lakers turn a few weeks of Austin Reaves playing great into Giannis.

No just let the lakers have him for next to nothing just like Luka.

[RHODEY]

Damn It’s Giannis though?? Isn’t he one of the few guys you trade for no matter

Maybe 2-3 years ago you do it and hope for the best. At this point you don't having won 68+ a ring last year and 22-1 so far this year. They don't need him. Some team like ny could use him though.

True NY is a good fit for sure. But if I’m OKC. I’m at least considered chet for Giannis is that good.

It's NY or Bust...and NY wont gut their roster.

[pepe1991]

There is zero reason for OKC to do anything, other than perhaps trade Dieng and a first round pick for a quality backup big (like Jock Landale or something.) They can worry about things once the luxury tax issues creep up. They have a nearly perfect thing going, I don't see any appeal for making a huge change.

Watch the Lakers turn a few weeks of Austin Reaves playing great into Giannis.

No just let the lakers have him for next to nothing just like Luka.

Trading Lebron to Bucks to play with salary cap of Lillard and "reunion" with Kuzma would be hilarous. Imagine all those talking bubble heads from ESPN & Fox trying to blame Kuzma for every loss every night

[the_process]

If you were Giannis, do you really want to waste the rest of your career in Milwaukee with no real chance of competing, or do you openly see your options (there should be plenty) and make the move to really aim for the title one more time? When you know teams like the Knicks are possible, and taking that team to the championship would make you a legend for life in a huge market. It's worth a thought no?

What package can the Knicks offer that would please Milwaukee? I think Houston, SA and maybe Golden State are the only realistic options - teams with the salary and picks for Milwaukee, and the chance to win for Giannis.

The Knicks package might not be as good as the ones other teams can offer, but in the end would it matter if Giannis forces his way to NYK? This with the expectation that Giannis has a say in his future and has power to name a team where he would be traded.

Teams aren't giving in to the one team trade demand anymore. They want at least some open market where they can get a better return.

That being said, I don't think MIL wants to trade Giannis, and probably doesn't even entertain the idea until Giannis asks out. So another Dame situation.

[druggas]

He played there for six years. And while he was the best player in the league, I think Giannis has a pretty good case for best Buck of all time now.

Yeah, no.

No what?
He's the franchise leader in points, rebounds, assists, blocks, games, FG%, win shares, efficiency, BPM, individual accolades.
That escalated in 2021. After this, it's only even more stats.

Maybe you should list Kareem's accomplishments.

[Mirotic12]

Bucks have been shooting the lights out from deep.

They are the 2nd worst rebounding team in the league and they are near the bottom of the league on defense... those are heart/energy/hustle type problems you get when everyone isn't buying in... either to the coach, or the system, or leaders like Giannis aren't out there holding people accountable.

If you think you're a team that can compete for a championship you can't be bad at defense and rebounding.

Giannis is very far removed from his DPOY days. Whether its conservation of energy or disinterest, I couldn't tell you, but he's no stopper. As for Turner, he's a terrible rebounder for a man his size. Put 'em together and what do you got? A bad backline defensively. You'd need OKC or Portland's wings defensively to make it work.

He's been horrendous on defense with Greece's national team at the 2022 EuroBasket, the 2024 Olympics, and the 2025 EuroBasket.

He can't guard anyone out on the perimeter, can't guard in open space, can't guard on switches, can't recover on closeouts, and he can't physically handle true bigs in the paint and around the rim.

Giannis has stiff hips, slow feet, slow reaction time and slow recovery time on closeouts and switches, and poor lateral movement.

The only bigs at the last EuroBasket that were worse than him on defense, were Jokic and Daniel Theis.

[Johnny Bball]

He isn't asking for a trade midseason. If h ever does its offseason.

[TravisScott55]

I doubt it

[G R E Y]

Both OKC and San Antonio should jump all over a Antetokounmpo trade. Chet plus seems like a great starting point or Castle or Harper plus. I can't see too many teams beating that. Maybe Toronto offers Barnes plus a boat load of picks and swaps

Doubt we will. Don't think we should. Giannis is a great player who OKC clearly doesn't need and we are still too far away from contention to go all in on. Guys like Harper, and maybe Castle, are who you keep to get there, talented and on great contracts. And great fits next to Wemby.

Brings me to my next point. We have a winning record while Wemby recovers, and that's an important improvement. This is Wemby's team. Anyone who comes here has to accept that. Fox is Fox with Wemby out but fully acknowledges it's Wemby's team and he is the one who has to fit in.

Giannis has talked like wherever he goes he expects to still be the man, understandably I guess given his body of work, but that body also has some wear and tear. Also, it's one thing to keep a player happy, and another to let him GM a team out of contention. This has happened in Mil and LAC, as two recent/prominent examples. Plus he has too many brothers that he needs to take up roster spots lol

So, not deferring, influencing roster decisions is a tough call.

I think Hawks and maybe Houston could bite.