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Re: Lin feeling disrespected? 

Post#601 » by baki » Fri Jul 4, 2014 7:41 am

CablexDeadpool wrote:Well, see you not one of his crazy fans.

I mean a normal basketball fan, can see Lin as an elite backup and an average starter.
A normal guy can see Lin in Jarrett Jack territory, which to me he is.


Jarrett Jack is like 30 years old, I don't think so.

Explain Linsanity then, a fluke?

Then you have his fans that would think he is in Ty Lawson territory and beyond...which then makes normal basketball fan turn into a Lin hater. Which then will turn a regular Lin fan into a rabid Lin fan or they will keep perspective.


Let them believe what they want to believe. Some people believe that paying someone $21mil a year is going to help them turn a team into champions, again let them believe.

Lin isn't a bad player, but overall he's average and it's pretty sad, seeing that the hype has pretty much made him nothing more than a commodity to sell tickets until a team gets good, then he is sold.


That's all Houston's doing, you're blind if you never saw how they treated him.

What happened was...basically his fans made Lin valuable for non basketball reasons that supersedes his basketball ability. Knicks thought he wasn't gonna get a big time contract from somebody, and he got one and they correctly decided not to blow money on him. Morey always thought Lin was replaceable and now he intends to get rid of him and it has only been 2 years.


Again no no no. You absolutely have no idea what happened, can't read the numerous explanation on this thread alone and are just following the ignorance, omedetou gozaimasu :roll: :roll: :roll:
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Re: Lin feeling disrespected? 

Post#602 » by Kupchak9 » Fri Jul 4, 2014 8:11 am

Alright Rockets fans, you guys don't even have it that bad with the overly supportive Lin fans. At least you guys aren't represented by a portion of your fanbase that still believes Kobe is a top 3 player in the league and every waking moment of their basketball identity is revolved around his beliefs.

Suck it up, it isn't that bad... Its not like you're integrity and credibility as a poster has been immediately discriminated against for having Lin represent your team. The guy is a big plus in terms of both PR and ability, but many of you act like he is the scorn of the Rockets shortcomings when he has pretty much been the glue guy of the team.
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Re: Lin feeling disrespected? 

Post#603 » by Clincher » Fri Jul 4, 2014 11:21 am

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choppermagic wrote:Lin should have stayed in NY, too bad they didnt even make an offer to him. I think for NBA-story sake, he would have been much better placed there. Everyone says the Rockets have a big Asian market, but for the general NBA, it seems he got lost there.

He would have but he decided to fight for more money by negotiating on the downlow and the 3rd year really stopped any chance of him getting his money.

Houston waived Lin before, I don't know why he is so surprised about any of this. They don't really care about him. He was beloved in New York, even got a standing ovation when he was with Houston in his return there.

Sucks he is getting treated like this but he blew a great opportunity to not only play where he is comfortable but to play where he can ring up just as much money endorsement wise and the place he got to show the world what he can do. Can't feel too bad about that.


That's incorrect on so many levels. The Knicks never made him a single offer (other than the near vet min QO required to make him an RFA). Houston was the only team that gave him a contract (because everyone else assumed the Knicks would match). And Morey was the one who raised it after the Knicks said they would match the reported numbers in the news (if the Knicks had kept quiet, Morey wouldn't have raised it). Lin did not go back to negotiated for more money on the down low, that was Les and Morey responding to Woodson's words in the press. The Rockets only ever presented one contract for Lin to sign, it was either take it or leave it. And everyone expected the Knicks to match, since they said so to scare off suitors.

They planned on matching his deal as they never expected or thought he'd get a poison pill contract. 15 mill is outrageous for the year Lin played. I agree that Woodson/Dolan did open their mouths prematurely but at that point, you have to figure that both Lin/his agency and the Knicks were in great terms with one another and were that confident that a deal is reached. Everyone around the NBA was caught by surprise by Lin's final year on his deal and Dolan, silly or not, felt hurt that Lin went and fought for more money. Dolan is petty no doubt but the one thing he is.....he's too loyal to people he values a lot and likes a lot. He really liked Lin, he loved that Lin won him the Time Warner Cable dispute and he loved the buzz he brought town.

If Lin didn't sign the Rockets contract, he would have had to accept the near Vet Min QO from the Knicks. He had no 2nd offer. The Knicks refused to negotiated with him and told him to go out and find his market price. If the Knicks had given him an offer, maybe he would have accepted.

Knicks were going to give him an extension but the Rockets jumped in there unexpectedly, especially given we acquired Lin because again, Houston waived him and Lin/his party fought for as much money as they could. Fair play to Lin given he at the time didn't have too much money and he's a smart man but he was in good terms/standing with the Knicks FO. Melo, JR Smith and others on the team maybe not so much but Dolan and Glen? Absolutely. He would have gotten taken care of, just maybe not for as much money as what Houston got.

Even in the most recent interview a month ago, Lin refused to say he left the Knicks, saying "I don't know if you could say I "left" the Knicks" when asked about why he left. He didn't, in his mind, he never made that choice. The Knicks made it by not giving him a single offer that he could choose instead of the Rockets one, and then not matching. He even said he wanted to play in front of the MSG fans for the rest of his career and will love them till the day he dies, even AFTER the Knicks failed to match.

But you nor I don't know that if Houston didn't step in that the Knicks would have taken care of him down the road that offseason. Lin signed that deal relatively out of the gates. Again, the Knicks were adamant upon matching any contract and would have done that relative 4 year 28.8 mill with the 4th year as a team option deal. It was the poison pill deal that turned everything sour. Matching that deal would have put the Knicks in a luxury tax and while money's nothing to Dolan, I am sure he never expected to have to pay a boatload of cash because of Lin's deal because of the poison pill in year 3.

Of course he liked it here. I just don't think he's 100% completely not guilty or at fault for his departure of NY.

Don't buy the character assassination BS that MSG's PR department shoveled out to prep the ground for Felton after they decided not to match, and to go with Dolan's BBQ buddy. If you had been following it closely at the time, you could even see the point where Alan Hahn did a 180 about face when his corporate bosses yanked on his chain, and went from passionately advocating for the Knicks to match to trying to easy people into accepting Felton.

Accepting Felton was more so because Felton had a strong showing as a Knick with DAntoni and was someone who the Knicks didn't want to cough up necessarily in the Melo deal but had to(Walsh didn't want to give up any of the 4 Knicks but Dolan didn't want Melo with the Nets and Melo's camp pushed for a deal before the lockout) so Felton left on a pretty good standing in the minds of Knicks fans and brass.

We had to sign and trade for Felton since we had little to no money to spend that offseason which is why he became Plan B, esp. coming off the disgraceful year in Portland.


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Post#604 » by spaceballer » Fri Jul 4, 2014 12:10 pm

Clincher wrote:They planned on matching his deal as they never expected or thought he'd get a poison pill contract. 15 mill is outrageous for the year Lin played. I agree that Woodson/Dolan did open their mouths prematurely but at that point, you have to figure that both Lin/his agency and the Knicks were in great terms with one another and were that confident that a deal is reached. Everyone around the NBA was caught by surprise by Lin's final year on his deal and Dolan, silly or not, felt hurt that Lin went and fought for more money. Dolan is petty no doubt but the one thing he is.....he's too loyal to people he values a lot and likes a lot. He really liked Lin, he loved that Lin won him the Time Warner Cable dispute and he loved the buzz he brought town.


That's your misconception right there. Lin did not go back and fight for more money. If you read the articles that came out afterwards from ESPN and elsewhere, they even quote Morey, in that it was Les responding to Woodson's words in the media and the Rockets making the initiative on their own to raise the offer. It had nothing to do with Lin. He didn't got back to ask for more money.

Clincher wrote:Knicks were going to give him an extension but the Rockets jumped in there unexpectedly, especially given we acquired Lin because again, Houston waived him and Lin/his party fought for as much money as they could. Fair play to Lin given he at the time didn't have too much money and he's a smart man but he was in good terms/standing with the Knicks FO. Melo, JR Smith and others on the team maybe not so much but Dolan and Glen? Absolutely. He would have gotten taken care of, just maybe not for as much money as what Houston got.

False again. Extension was never an option. As an undrafted player (just like with 2nd round picks), he is not on a pre-determined Rookie scale contract with defined extension dates and terms like 1st Round Draft picks. Lin was on a 2 yr contract that he had original signed with Golden State. Contracts that are 3 or less years in length are ineligible for extension according to the CBA.

Further, while other teams have to wait for the first date of free agency before they can talk to a player or try to work out a new deal, that is not the case with the existing team. So it is categorically false that the Rockets "jumped in" before the Knicks had a chance. The Knicks had exclusive access to him and could have worked out a deal before he hit free agency. But they declined to do so, refused to give him any offers, and then told him to go out there and seek his market price. Even the reports of the meetings that Glen held with Lin prior to him hitting free agency revealed that the Knicks declined to give him any numbers or a single contract offer.

Clincher wrote:But you nor I don't know that if Houston didn't step in that the Knicks would have taken care of him down the road that offseason. Lin signed that deal relatively out of the gates. Again, the Knicks were adamant upon matching any contract and would have done that relative 4 year 28.8 mill with the 4th year as a team option deal. It was the poison pill deal that turned everything sour. Matching that deal would have put the Knicks in a luxury tax and while money's nothing to Dolan, I am sure he never expected to have to pay a boatload of cash because of Lin's deal because of the poison pill in year 3.

Of course he liked it here. I just don't think he's 100% completely not guilty or at fault for his departure of NY.


Again, that is not true that he signed it "relatively out of the gates." The Knicks had the time between the last game of Heat/Knicks series and the start of free agency to hammer out a deal if they wanted. They had EXCLUSIVE access to him, and were the only team allowed to negotiate a contract with him. No other team can step in. They refused to do so. Teams that really want to retain a guy start negotiating and trying to lock in players before they even hit free agency (Like the Clippers did with Chris Paul, so that Paul's agent told other teams not to even bother scheduling a meeting when free agency began, because he had a deal worked out with the Clippers when they had exclusive access to him for contract negotiation purposes).

And no, we don't know that the Knicks would have definitely taken care of him. In fact, historical examples would prove the opposite. There was a restricted free agent a while back (his name escapes me at the moment, but it was brought up during the whole discussion at the time) who was looking at a big payday because of a breakout performance in the playoffs. He was the toast of the town and eagerly eyed by other teams. The team adamantly broadcasted to everyone that they would match any offer. So the other teams shied away and didn't even bother trying. As free agency wound down, the rest of the NBA settled on their free agent choices and the money ran out. All the while, this restricted free agent, who everyone expected to have a huge payday, got zero offers due to the original team boasting of matching any price to keep him. At the end of free agency, with all the suitors gone and their money tied up in new contracts, the original team then gave an extremely lowball offer, significantly below his market value. The agent refused and held out, and held out, and held out, trying to get his market value instead of the vet min or whatever that he got lowballed with. This went on well into when the season began, till the player caved several months into the season and accepted the low ball offer.

Many suspected that was the purpose of the Knicks broadcasting that they were willing to match anything, despite their capped out status and luxury tax concerns. Especially when they refused to give him a single offer or negotiate a contract to lock him up when they had EXCLUSIVE access, and were the only team allowed to negotiate a contract with him.

Clincher wrote:Accepting Felton was more so because Felton had a strong showing as a Knick with DAntoni and was someone who the Knicks didn't want to cough up necessarily in the Melo deal but had to(Walsh didn't want to give up any of the 4 Knicks but Dolan didn't want Melo with the Nets and Melo's camp pushed for a deal before the lockout) so Felton left on a pretty good standing in the minds of Knicks fans and brass.

We had to sign and trade for Felton since we had little to no money to spend that offseason which is why he became Plan B, esp. coming off the disgraceful year in Portland.

This was after Fat Felton and his locker room mutiny in Portland and his terrible season. And getting him required wasting assets in a sign-and-trade that could have been used in a different deal to fill another hole in the team. So that was a double whammy. Not just picking up a Fat Portland Felton, but also losing an opportunity cost to use those assets in a sign-and-trade to fill a different area of weakness in the roster.

And yes, if you were following things at the time, you could definitely see the heavy hand of MSG's PR department. Alan Hahn and Clyde were all over the news desperately begging the Knicks FO to match the poison pill. Then, as if a switch was turned on, Clyde suddenly shut up and not a peep. And Hahn started trying to ease the fans into Felton. They both get their paychecks from MSG. So they both had to hold their tongues once the corporate orders came down. But their desperate attempts to try to convince the brass to match at the last minute despite the poison pill instead of going with Felton revealed their true feelings. The character assassination and false rumors of Lin going back to ask for more money also didn't crop up till then, in an attempt to make Lin look like the bad guy so that the Knicks fans wouldn't riot (rumors since proven false by explicit statements by Morey of what really happened behind the scenes).

Here was the piece from Sports Illustrated that gives food for thought, and contradicts the character assassination attempts that he was only out for the money. There's an ESPN bit elsewhere from Morey stating that the initiative to raise the poison pill was wholly the Rockets' and not Lin's. So that got debunked as well.

Sports Illustrated wrote:The notion that Lin has always cared about money above all else, in particular, eats away at him, especially as he sleeps in his childhood home.

"If I really wanted to, I could have triple-digit endorsements," Lin pointed out, but he does not. Instead, and in large part because Lin wanted to concentrate on basketball, he declined to cash in on the Linsanity gold-rush -- namely, the mountain of business opportunities in Asia -- and picked only three companies: Volvo, Steiner Sports and Nike.

"A year ago, I was just trying to stay alive and fight day by day, just to be on a roster," said Lin, who famously slept on couches upon his arrival in New York. "What I have now is way more than I ever would have dreamed of, and way more than I need."
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"I love the New York fans to death," Lin said. "That's the biggest reason why I wanted to return to New York. The way they embraced me, the way they supported us this past season, was better than anything I've ever seen or experienced. I'll go to my grave saying that. What New York did for me was unbelievable. I wanted to play in front of those fans for the rest of my career."
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Re: Lin feeling disrespected? 

Post#605 » by Manitoba » Fri Jul 4, 2014 8:49 pm

baki wrote:
Manitoba wrote:
GC Pantalones wrote:Maybe it's because Bev is the better player?

Lin's on/off in Houston: -2.0 (they're better when he's not on the floor)
Bev's on/off in Houston: +6.4 (they're way better with him on the floor)

Where are you getting your stats? Accordiing to 82games.com, Lin's on/off this year is -1.1, not 2.0. Incidentally, Jamal Crawford's on/off this year is -1.6, which is worse than Lin's. By your logic, therefore, the Clippers would have been better off without the 2014 Sixth Man of the Year. The true conclusion is that on/off is a worthless stat.

When Lin started they were 21-12 (52 wins over 82 games), When Bev started they were 38-17 (57 wins over 82 games). By all measures the starting unit plays better with Beverley out there (you know the off ball shooter/defender). He's a role player and Lin is a 6th man type with the 7th man game.

More deceptive numbers. You didn't mention that Lin's 21-12 record as starter included 5 losses when Howard was out with injury. (Dwight was healthy for all of Beverley's games.) Is it any surprise that the Rockets tend to lose when their center is absent?

When Dwight is healthy, Lin's winning percentage as starter is 0.750, which is *far* better than Beverley's 0.691.

Another point. I said earlier that on/off is a useless stat. Well, here's a stat that isn't useless. Jeremy LIn's True Shooting % was .572 the past season, a lot better than Jamal Crawford's 0.556, and VASTLY better than Kyrie Irving's .533 and John Wall's .524. Lin should have been 6MOY; perhaps he didn't qualify because he started too many games.

So you are comprehensively wrong in claiming that Beverley is better than Lin.

In short, Lin is one of the best PGs in the NBA, and the Rockets did him a great wrong in benching him. After JerseyNumberGate, I think everybody sees the team's deceit and disrespect towards Lin.


Careful now, some people don't want to know or hear about this, they still think Beverley and Harden are winners :lol:

Some Rockets fanboys think LeBron will be quite happy to join the team so he can watch Harden hog the ball all day long. And LeBron will happily play his usual full effort defense while watching Harden slack off. :lol:

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Post#606 » by Saciid11 » Fri Jul 4, 2014 9:07 pm

Rockets when from Dragic and Lowry to overpaying Lin a lesser player and point guard... I think Lin should just be quiet and enjoy his 15 mill a year as 6th or 8th man ...
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Post#607 » by baki » Fri Jul 4, 2014 9:30 pm

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Manitoba wrote:Where are you getting your stats? Accordiing to 82games.com, Lin's on/off this year is -1.1, not 2.0. Incidentally, Jamal Crawford's on/off this year is -1.6, which is worse than Lin's. By your logic, therefore, the Clippers would have been better off without the 2014 Sixth Man of the Year. The true conclusion is that on/off is a worthless stat.


More deceptive numbers. You didn't mention that Lin's 21-12 record as starter included 5 losses when Howard was out with injury. (Dwight was healthy for all of Beverley's games.) Is it any surprise that the Rockets tend to lose when their center is absent?

When Dwight is healthy, Lin's winning percentage as starter is 0.750, which is *far* better than Beverley's 0.691.

Another point. I said earlier that on/off is a useless stat. Well, here's a stat that isn't useless. Jeremy LIn's True Shooting % was .572 the past season, a lot better than Jamal Crawford's 0.556, and VASTLY better than Kyrie Irving's .533 and John Wall's .524. Lin should have been 6MOY; perhaps he didn't qualify because he started too many games.

So you are comprehensively wrong in claiming that Beverley is better than Lin.

In short, Lin is one of the best PGs in the NBA, and the Rockets did him a great wrong in benching him. After JerseyNumberGate, I think everybody sees the team's deceit and disrespect towards Lin.


Careful now, some people don't want to know or hear about this, they still think Beverley and Harden are winners :lol:

Some Rockets fanboys think LeBron will be quite happy to join the team so he can watch Harden hog the ball all day long. And LeBron will happily play his usual full effort defense while watching Harden slack off. :lol:

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Haha...so true! Man it would be a headache trying to work with the Harden and Howard. He'll be doing a lot of standing around and doing nothing as he watches ISO Harden and Howard still trying to post up. I know Lebron likes Beverley's intensity on defense but probably as a bench player and not as a starter :lol:
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Post#608 » by baki » Sat Jul 5, 2014 7:24 am

Kupchak9 wrote:Alright Rockets fans, you guys don't even have it that bad with the overly supportive Lin fans.


I still don't know where the overly supportive Lin fans come from here, if there's anyone discussing about it the most then that would be me. But I talk about other good players not just Lin, just like everybody here wants to talk about their favorite players.
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Post#609 » by Manitoba » Sun Jul 6, 2014 11:42 pm

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baki wrote:
Careful now, some people don't want to know or hear about this, they still think Beverley and Harden are winners :lol:

Some Rockets fanboys think LeBron will be quite happy to join the team so he can watch Harden hog the ball all day long. And LeBron will happily play his usual full effort defense while watching Harden slack off. :lol:

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Haha...so true! Man it would be a headache trying to work with the Harden and Howard. He'll be doing a lot of standing around and doing nothing as he watches ISO Harden and Howard still trying to post up. I know Lebron likes Beverley's intensity on defense but probably as a bench player and not as a starter :lol:

:lol: LeBron is too smart to be fooled by Beverley's hype.

The Rockets, however, are not. Next year, they'll be asking themselves why they're losing so many games. Is it because they don't have Lin any more? Nah, can't be.
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Post#610 » by baki » Mon Jul 7, 2014 12:00 am

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baki wrote:
Manitoba wrote:Some Rockets fanboys think LeBron will be quite happy to join the team so he can watch Harden hog the ball all day long. And LeBron will happily play his usual full effort defense while watching Harden slack off. :lol:

EDIT: spelling


Haha...so true! Man it would be a headache trying to work with the Harden and Howard. He'll be doing a lot of standing around and doing nothing as he watches ISO Harden and Howard still trying to post up. I know Lebron likes Beverley's intensity on defense but probably as a bench player and not as a starter :lol:

:lol: LeBron is too smart to be fooled by Beverley's hype.

The Rockets, however, are not. Next year, they'll be asking themselves why they're losing so many games. Is it because they don't have Lin any more? Nah, can't be.


I agree the Rockets are going to lose stupid games based on the weak defense and too much ISOs, but I think the Rockets administration aren't completely dumb. They knew that Asik and Lin were trade baits for the 3rd star which was why they limited their playing time and minutes and Beverley came cheap so he can stay.

Just assuming that Melo does come to Houston, we'll probably be watching a lineup that only their mothers loves :lol:
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Post#611 » by orange_juice32 » Mon Jul 7, 2014 12:17 am

Beverley is a scrub.. straight bench material. If he keeps playing the way he plays he's just going to rack up injury after injury. That style isn't sustainable over an 82 game season, let alone a team with championship aspirations expecting to play 100+ games in a season.

And then on offense, he offers you nothing but spot up 3's and no playmaking. No Beverley does not fit well with that starting lineup just because he can shoot a little bit. The fallacy that Lin has to sit and watch Harden play iso because Harden scores/makes plays better than him is utterly moronic. Just because one player does things better than another player, does not mean the better player should get 90% of the touches and relegate the inferior player to the bench. They both need to be on and both need to be attacking for that offense to not be stagnant.
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Post#612 » by yunaclf » Mon Jul 7, 2014 2:01 am

Remember when Lin and Harden looking like they'd be the best starting backcourt in the league? :lol: Oh how times have changed.
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Post#613 » by heatwillbeback » Mon Jul 7, 2014 2:03 am

Lin is an overpaid mediocre player.

Yes, Houston wants a star instead of him at his bloated contract. Naturally.

While that may make him feel "disrespected", who cares?
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Post#614 » by Buckeye-NBAFan » Mon Jul 7, 2014 2:19 am

heatwillbeback wrote:Lin is an overpaid mediocre player.

Yes, Houston wants a star instead of him at his bloated contract. Naturally.

While that may make him feel "disrespected", who cares?


Is that what Riley said to Miller, Battier, Allen, Haslem and James Jones to take pay cuts? "You guys are pieces of s**t, you'll sign here for less money and you'll like it."

That must be how Pop got Parker to take less. Probably said he was lucky to even be in the NBA and they would've sent him back to France if Kidd had found a woman in Texas he was more fond of beating than the one he had in New Jersey.
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Post#615 » by will » Mon Jul 7, 2014 2:21 am

Doin Linsanity dirty.
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Post#616 » by heatwillbeback » Mon Jul 7, 2014 2:22 am

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heatwillbeback wrote:Lin is an overpaid mediocre player.

Yes, Houston wants a star instead of him at his bloated contract. Naturally.

While that may make him feel "disrespected", who cares?


Is that what Riley said to Miller, Battier, Allen, Haslem and James Jones to take pay cuts? "You guys are pieces of s**t, you'll sign here for less money and you'll like it."

That must be how Pop got Parker to take less. Probably said he was lucky to even be in the NBA and they would've sent him back to France if Kidd had found a woman in Texas he was more fond of beating than the one he had in New Jersey.


I really dont see how these are related.

He signed a huge deal for big money, and now his team views that contract as a hurdle it needs to get over to improve. And some desperate team will bite If Houston needs to trade him.

I dont see how that has to do with players taking less to play (maybe I am missing your point?)

Also, he doesnt suck. I said mediocre. I feel he is at best a middle of the road starting pg making elite pg money, which is the problem.
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Post#617 » by baki » Mon Jul 7, 2014 2:26 am

heatwillbeback wrote:
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heatwillbeback wrote:Lin is an overpaid mediocre player.

Yes, Houston wants a star instead of him at his bloated contract. Naturally.

While that may make him feel "disrespected", who cares?


Is that what Riley said to Miller, Battier, Allen, Haslem and James Jones to take pay cuts? "You guys are pieces of s**t, you'll sign here for less money and you'll like it."

That must be how Pop got Parker to take less. Probably said he was lucky to even be in the NBA and they would've sent him back to France if Kidd had found a woman in Texas he was more fond of beating than the one he had in New Jersey.


I really dont see how these are related.

He signed a huge deal for big money, and now his team views that contract as a hurdle it needs to get over to improve. And some desperate team will bite If Houston needs to trade him.

I dont see how that has to do with players taking less to play (maybe I am missing your point?)

Also, he doesnt suck. I said mediocre. I feel he is at best a middle of the road starting pg making elite pg money, which is the problem.


I think there is a poster here that has already repeated over and over again why Lin's getting paid the amount he's getting and people like this guy still doesn't get it. :noway:

Oh well, you can only hope they can read the thread first next time.
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Re: Lin feeling disrespected? 

Post#618 » by Buckeye-NBAFan » Mon Jul 7, 2014 2:28 am

heatwillbeback wrote:
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heatwillbeback wrote:Lin is an overpaid mediocre player.

Yes, Houston wants a star instead of him at his bloated contract. Naturally.

While that may make him feel "disrespected", who cares?


Is that what Riley said to Miller, Battier, Allen, Haslem and James Jones to take pay cuts? "You guys are pieces of s**t, you'll sign here for less money and you'll like it."

That must be how Pop got Parker to take less. Probably said he was lucky to even be in the NBA and they would've sent him back to France if Kidd had found a woman in Texas he was more fond of beating than the one he had in New Jersey.


I really dont see how these are related.

He signed a huge deal for big money, and now his team views that contract as a hurdle it needs to get over to improve. And some desperate team will bite If Houston needs to trade him.

I dont see how that has to do with players taking less to play (maybe I am missing your point?)

Also, he doesnt suck. I said mediocre. I feel he is at best a middle of the road starting pg making elite pg money, which is the problem.


My point is if Morey's not reaching out to Lin during this process to be honest with him about it, it's a mistake. Why burn a bridge if in 5 years you might want to sign this guy as a backup on a contender or something? Or worse yet, you get turned down by every player and need to keep him on the team. No need for one of your players to have resentment toward the organization.

It's only logical, even if you don't actually care. It's a business, but you don't run a business by going behind the backs of all your employees, direct and honest is the better approach.
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Re: Lin feeling disrespected? 

Post#619 » by DD12 » Mon Jul 7, 2014 2:33 am

Lin is a horrible player. He deserves it.
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Re: Lin feeling disrespected? 

Post#620 » by heatwillbeback » Mon Jul 7, 2014 2:35 am

baki wrote:
heatwillbeback wrote:
Buckeye-NBAFan wrote:
Is that what Riley said to Miller, Battier, Allen, Haslem and James Jones to take pay cuts? "You guys are pieces of s**t, you'll sign here for less money and you'll like it."

That must be how Pop got Parker to take less. Probably said he was lucky to even be in the NBA and they would've sent him back to France if Kidd had found a woman in Texas he was more fond of beating than the one he had in New Jersey.


I really dont see how these are related.

He signed a huge deal for big money, and now his team views that contract as a hurdle it needs to get over to improve. And some desperate team will bite If Houston needs to trade him.

I dont see how that has to do with players taking less to play (maybe I am missing your point?)

Also, he doesnt suck. I said mediocre. I feel he is at best a middle of the road starting pg making elite pg money, which is the problem.


I think there is a poster here that has already repeated over and over again why Lin's getting paid the amount he's getting and people like this guy still doesn't get it. :noway:

Oh well, you can only hope they can read the thread first next time.


I know why he is getting paid. My point is for obvious reasons the Rockets would rather have a star making that 15 million than Jeremy Lin.

Him getting paid is part of the reason I dont feel bad for him. He knows this is a business. Structuring his contract the way he did to screw over the Knicks shows he knows its a business.

Now Rockets are doing their business trying to put his 15 million to better use, and its a problem?
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