Woj: Celtics and Lakers Engaged with Pelicans on Anthony Davis Trade

[PierceFan4ever]

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Pretty much how I see it. Celtics can get him if they wanted but Ainge probably doesn’t want to risk sending out Tatum for a rental player and knowing Kyrie is likely leaving

[JimmyTheGreek]

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[levon]

Woj saying Pels want a starter for the #4. Step down from all-star. I think they're in the late stages.

[trickshot]

Lakers will give up Kuzma. Lebron's teams lose these trades because everyone knows they can't walk away from the table

[nzahir]

We, including myself, are wasting too much time on this bull

Deal ISN"T happening tonight. Its game 6 of the finals. NBA wouldn't even allow the news to get out and take away shine from today

If Raps win tonight, deal maybe later on in Fri or even Saturday.

Too much BS news and people leaking **** to help themselves

[LightTheBeam]

Woj saying Pels want a starter for the #4. Step down from all-star. I think they're in the late stages.

Not on twitter, where is this from?

[Texas Chuck]

im sorry bro. but curry was seen as a skinny twerp from college. giannis as a typical euro softie. thompson was a ganja afficianado and was kickd out of school. nobody knows who will be the best player in the draft. everyone thought lakers done goofed and drafted d lo instead of that fat guy from duke i forgot his name. everyone made fun of the hawks for drafting meth curry but hes atually pretty good. mavericks drafted a euro and if he sucked everyone would be saying i told you so. its a crapshoot.

None of this impacts the current value of the pick. When Lebron or Duncan is available the value of the #1 overall pick is infinite because nobody would ever ever trade it. When Anthony Bennett ends up being taken first none of the top picks in that draft are particularly valuable.

This draft doesn't have a Lebron or Duncan, but it does have a Zion so the #1 pick is really valuable. #2 is okay with Ja. Beyond that the current projection of the rest of this class isn't great so nobody is going to assign great value to any of those picks because one of them might turn into the next Steph or Kawhi.

I don't see what's hard about this really.

[levon]

Woj saying Pels want a starter for the #4. Step down from all-star. I think they're in the late stages.

Not on twitter, where is this from?

ESPN. They bring him on for a few minutes every few hours

[Duke4life831]

Woj saying Pels want a starter for the #4. Step down from all-star. I think they're in the late stages.

Griffin must really not like this draft then (cant blame him). But Id much rather keep the pick and take a shot on a guy like Garland, then just looking for a quality starter. Zion/Ingram/Garland as your core 3. This will also give them some options. Do they stick with Lonzo and run a 2 guard set with Lonzo and Garland and hope Lonzo can find his jumper. Or do they trade him away for a different asset. Do they look to trade Holiday out for another asset. If Im the Pelicans, I would be looking to try and sway a Brooke Lopez with a big 2 year deal. He would be the ideal 5 to go along with Zion.

[Middle Child]

Lakers gonna miss out on AD because of Kyle Kuzma

Ineptitude runs deep in the big markets.

[djsunyc]

you trade for beal so you can flip him later for more tings.

[LightTheBeam]

Woj saying Pels want a starter for the #4. Step down from all-star. I think they're in the late stages.

Griffin must really not like this draft then (cant blame him). But Id much rather keep the pick and take a shot on a guy like Garland, then just looking for a quality starter. Zion/Ingram/Garland as your core 3. This will also give them some options. Do they stick with Lonzo and run a 2 guard set with Lonzo and Garland and hope Lonzo can find his jumper. Or do they trade him away for a different asset. Do they look to trade Holiday out for another asset. If Im the Pelicans, I would be looking to try and sway a Brooke Lopez with a big 2 year deal. He would be the ideal 5 to go along with Zion.

Thats a nice core 3 and all, but I still think Tatum gets this done. Tatum/Zion pairing is nice, thats how you set your franchise up for long term success.

Honestly if I'm the Pelicans, I probably take even a package of Hayward/Tatum over anything the Lakers offering. If Hayward can rebound any value and they can include Hill, thats a damn good place to be. Its not like the Pels are a huge market for free agents. As you suggested they can still pursue Lopez on a nice 2 year contract.

Jrue/Hayward/Tatum/Zion/Lopez

This seems to be a nice mix of now and the future. Zion/Tatum can carry you longterm, while they can immediately compete for the playoffs with this roster.

[Mr Loggins]

Woj saying Pels want a starter for the #4. Step down from all-star. I think they're in the late stages.

Griffin must really not like this draft then (cant blame him). But Id much rather keep the pick and take a shot on a guy like Garland, then just looking for a quality starter. Zion/Ingram/Garland as your core 3. This will also give them some options. Do they stick with Lonzo and run a 2 guard set with Lonzo and Garland and hope Lonzo can find his jumper. Or do they trade him away for a different asset. Do they look to trade Holiday out for another asset. If Im the Pelicans, I would be looking to try and sway a Brooke Lopez with a big 2 year deal. He would be the ideal 5 to go along with Zion.

Thats a nice core 3 and all, but I still think Tatum gets this done. Tatum/Zion pairing is nice, thats how you set your franchise up for long term success.

Honestly if I'm the Pelicans, I probably take even a package of Hayward/Tatum over anything the Lakers offering. If Hayward can rebound any value and they can include Hill, thats a damn good place to be. Its not like the Pels are a huge market for free agents. As you suggested they can still pursue Lopez on a nice 2 year contract.

Jrue/Hayward/Tatum/Zion/Lopez

This seems to be a nice mix of now and the future. Zion/Tatum can carry you longterm, while they can immediately compete for the playoffs with this roster.

not bad. That squad looks like it should be able to compete for a playoff spot in a few years.

[ITYSL]

Woj saying Pels want a starter for the #4. Step down from all-star. I think they're in the late stages.

Griffin must really not like this draft then (cant blame him). But Id much rather keep the pick and take a shot on a guy like Garland, then just looking for a quality starter. Zion/Ingram/Garland as your core 3. This will also give them some options. Do they stick with Lonzo and run a 2 guard set with Lonzo and Garland and hope Lonzo can find his jumper. Or do they trade him away for a different asset. Do they look to trade Holiday out for another asset. If Im the Pelicans, I would be looking to try and sway a Brooke Lopez with a big 2 year deal. He would be the ideal 5 to go along with Zion.

Thats a nice core 3 and all, but I still think Tatum gets this done. Tatum/Zion pairing is nice, thats how you set your franchise up for long term success.

Honestly if I'm the Pelicans, I probably take even a package of Hayward/Tatum over anything the Lakers offering. If Hayward can rebound any value and they can include Hill, thats a damn good place to be. Its not like the Pels are a huge market for free agents. As you suggested they can still pursue Lopez on a nice 2 year contract.

Jrue/Hayward/Tatum/Zion/Lopez

This seems to be a nice mix of now and the future. Zion/Tatum can carry you longterm, while they can immediately compete for the playoffs with this roster.

Yep, that's possible. What many Laker fans didn't realize at the trade deadline and still fail to realize is that a ton of mediocre assets doesn't add up to a good one, and that a bunch of good assets doesn't add up to a very good one.

If NO sees Tatum as an asset that has potential far and above anything the Lakers are willing to give up, then they would prefer to deal for Tatum.

[igorbianch]

I think Denver has the best assets after Boston.

Its a shame he doesnt want to play there.

[LipSkinMatter]

Woj saying Pels want a starter for the #4. Step down from all-star. I think they're in the late stages.

Griffin must really not like this draft then (cant blame him). But Id much rather keep the pick and take a shot on a guy like Garland, then just looking for a quality starter. Zion/Ingram/Garland as your core 3. This will also give them some options. Do they stick with Lonzo and run a 2 guard set with Lonzo and Garland and hope Lonzo can find his jumper. Or do they trade him away for a different asset. Do they look to trade Holiday out for another asset. If Im the Pelicans, I would be looking to try and sway a Brooke Lopez with a big 2 year deal. He would be the ideal 5 to go along with Zion.

Thats a nice core 3 and all, but I still think Tatum gets this done. Tatum/Zion pairing is nice, thats how you set your franchise up for long term success.

Honestly if I'm the Pelicans, I probably take even a package of Hayward/Tatum over anything the Lakers offering. If Hayward can rebound any value and they can include Hill, thats a damn good place to be. Its not like the Pels are a huge market for free agents. As you suggested they can still pursue Lopez on a nice 2 year contract.

Jrue/Hayward/Tatum/Zion/Lopez

This seems to be a nice mix of now and the future. Zion/Tatum can carry you longterm, while they can immediately compete for the playoffs with this roster.

[thebigbird]

Let's not act like Tatum is a sure fire future superstar, or even a sure fire future all-star. Right now nothing about him sets him apart from Kuzma or Ingram. Kuzma + Ingram is a much better offer than Tatum.

[LightTheBeam]

Griffin must really not like this draft then (cant blame him). But Id much rather keep the pick and take a shot on a guy like Garland, then just looking for a quality starter. Zion/Ingram/Garland as your core 3. This will also give them some options. Do they stick with Lonzo and run a 2 guard set with Lonzo and Garland and hope Lonzo can find his jumper. Or do they trade him away for a different asset. Do they look to trade Holiday out for another asset. If Im the Pelicans, I would be looking to try and sway a Brooke Lopez with a big 2 year deal. He would be the ideal 5 to go along with Zion.

Thats a nice core 3 and all, but I still think Tatum gets this done. Tatum/Zion pairing is nice, thats how you set your franchise up for long term success.

Honestly if I'm the Pelicans, I probably take even a package of Hayward/Tatum over anything the Lakers offering. If Hayward can rebound any value and they can include Hill, thats a damn good place to be. Its not like the Pels are a huge market for free agents. As you suggested they can still pursue Lopez on a nice 2 year contract.

Jrue/Hayward/Tatum/Zion/Lopez

This seems to be a nice mix of now and the future. Zion/Tatum can carry you longterm, while they can immediately compete for the playoffs with this roster.

Yep, that's possible. What many Laker fans didn't realize at the trade deadline and still fail to realize is that a ton of mediocre assets doesn't add up to a good one, and that a bunch of good assets doesn't add up to a very good one.

If NO sees Tatum as an asset that has potential far and above anything the Lakers are willing to give up, then they would prefer to deal for Tatum.

This right here. Its why we always say the team who traded the star lost "value". I just don't see the Lakers players being anything special. They all have so many flaws.

And while Tatum may have had a bit of a sophomore slump with his efficiency, hes still by far and away the best prospect here. 21 years old, already was a big reason his team made the conference finals, plus defender, plus shooter, can create his own shot, and proved he gets better in the playoffs.

Looking around the league, hes one of the better young guys I would want to build around a Zion led core. I can imagine those two leading that team to the finals 5 years down the road.

[Duke4life831]

Woj saying Pels want a starter for the #4. Step down from all-star. I think they're in the late stages.

Griffin must really not like this draft then (cant blame him). But Id much rather keep the pick and take a shot on a guy like Garland, then just looking for a quality starter. Zion/Ingram/Garland as your core 3. This will also give them some options. Do they stick with Lonzo and run a 2 guard set with Lonzo and Garland and hope Lonzo can find his jumper. Or do they trade him away for a different asset. Do they look to trade Holiday out for another asset. If Im the Pelicans, I would be looking to try and sway a Brooke Lopez with a big 2 year deal. He would be the ideal 5 to go along with Zion.

Thats a nice core 3 and all, but I still think Tatum gets this done. Tatum/Zion pairing is nice, thats how you set your franchise up for long term success.

Honestly if I'm the Pelicans, I probably take even a package of Hayward/Tatum over anything the Lakers offering. If Hayward can rebound any value and they can include Hill, thats a damn good place to be. Its not like the Pels are a huge market for free agents. As you suggested they can still pursue Lopez on a nice 2 year contract.

Jrue/Hayward/Tatum/Zion/Lopez

This seems to be a nice mix of now and the future. Zion/Tatum can carry you longterm, while they can immediately compete for the playoffs with this roster.

The only issue I have with this, is this could end up with the Pelicans kind of being lost in 2 years. A possible scenario to this is in two years Lopez contract is up and he will be in his mid 30s, he could bounce to chase a ring. Haywards contract will be up in 2 years and be an unrestricted free agent (will also be 30), and Holiday can opt out and be a free agent in 2 years. So worst case scenario is 3/5 of your lineup bounces, and you haven't added any other top tier assets because you would probably be picking between 14-19 the two years with that roster.

I like Bostons offer if it includes Jaylen Brown. With that you can get a couple years of

Holiday
Brown
Tatum
Zion
Lopez

That way you still have 3 young guys to be building around if Holiday leaves in 2 years. Tatum and Hayward alone (assuming with some mid 1st round picks), Im just not sold on if you're doing enough to help the team long term, and you clearly aren't a true contender for the first couple years.

[LightTheBeam]

Let's not act like Tatum is a sure fire future superstar, or even a sure fire future all-star. Right now nothing about him sets him apart from Kuzma or Ingram. Kuzma + Ingram is a much better offer than Tatum.

Except for the fact that both those guys have been negative impact players, while the opposite is true for Tatum.

If Griffin felt this way, this deal would have been executed already. You realize that right?