James Harden Wants To Be Traded To Philadelphiia; Won’t Formally Demand Trade Due To Public Backlash

[MrBigShot]

Sources: James Harden is currently trying to find a time machine to team up with prime Michael Jordan and Scottie PIppen

[DusterBuster]

I’m curious why anyone thinks Harden won’t pull the same ish in Philly. Would anyone be shocked if by next season Harden isn’t half assing it at the deadline and there is reports he and Embiid don’t like each other and Harden wants out again?

Chris Mannix of SI just had the same thought lol

It’s not a far jump to that conclusion. Just like how we could all see a roster built around KD and Kyrie in the beginning would be non-stop drama. Jerseys change, players personalities usually don’t.

Same for Simmons in Brooklyn. NY media aint any softer than Philly. What’s he gonna do when he stinks it up in a playoff series for the Nets?

[John Murdoch]

Marks dont risk it bro...Harden isnt bluffing ...i seen him at five guys last night loading up

[DusterBuster]

Sources: James Harden is currently trying to find a time machine to team up with prime Michael Jordan and Scottie PIppen

Sources: James Harden screaming for more plutonium in 1992 to power the DeLorean to get to 1999 and join the Kobe, Shaq Lakers.

[bebopdeluxe]

I'm with Geltzeiler who said the Nets need 2 of Maxey, Curry, Thybulle plus at least 2 picks. Sixers can pick which player they want to keep.

I lay out the following options & let Morey decide what he wants to do:
Harden & Millsap for Simmons+Thybulle+ one 1st +
Option A) Maxey
Option B) Curry + one more 1st (get back Brown & Carter)
Option C) 2 more 1sts

The same fanbase that state the Nets should take anything they can get for Harden have had Ben sitting out all season. Harden is desperate for a ring. If the deadline passes, I doubt he'll still be half hearted, especially after KD returns.

As far as the threat of signing Harden outright goes, the Sixers would need to get to about $76mil in team salary (after cap holds for roster spots & picks) to even get in the Harden ballpark (Harden would still be leaving some money on the table). That means they have to pay whatever it takes to get no salary back for Tobias & Simmons (the thought that teams will give Philly pure cap space & picks for Simmons is ludicrous) & renounce Green. Harris, while overpaid, is currently a better player than Maxey, Curry or Thybulle. One would think the Sixers are better off with Harris as the third best player than Maxey (who you could argue would be hampered by the presence of Harden) or Curry. I'm not sure why fans are quicker to attach picks to be rid Harris & in turn Green than one or two of Maxey, Curry & Thybulle.

If this is the position that Sean Marks takes - that he needs two of Maxey, Thybulle or Curry PLUS picks, I would expect a 2:59PM announcement that the Sixers have traded Tobias Harris to the Thunder.

If this trade was going through, it would have happened already. Way too much chatter and media talking heads getting attention. Sixers will have to wait until the summer to make this trade work.

I think there is a better than 50-50 chance that if, by 2:45PM, Morey does not have a deal he likes, he will trade Tobias Harris to the Thunder. It will suck to give up on this season, but the benefit is you not only get Harden, but you deny your division rival Ben Simmons.

#teamchill

[DusterBuster]

I’m curious why anyone thinks Harden won’t pull the same ish in Philly. Would anyone be shocked if by next season Harden isn’t half assing it at the deadline and there is reports he and Embiid don’t like each other and Harden wants out again?

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Morey will do it. He’s desperate for a star name player above all else and will think he can convince Harden to play hard…

[Mamba81p]

I’m curious why anyone thinks Harden won’t pull the same ish in Philly. Would anyone be shocked if by next season Harden isn’t half assing it at the deadline and there is reports he and Embiid don’t like each other and Harden wants out again?

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I would argue that he is very predictable just like Kyrie. You are guaranteed to f your franchise at some point. It's just a matter of time. You might get lucky and get a ring before that happens like Cavs did, but it's a huge gamble

[bebopdeluxe]

I'm with Geltzeiler who said the Nets need 2 of Maxey, Curry, Thybulle plus at least 2 picks. Sixers can pick which player they want to keep.

I lay out the following options & let Morey decide what he wants to do:
Harden & Millsap for Simmons+Thybulle+ one 1st +
Option A) Maxey
Option B) Curry + one more 1st (get back Brown & Carter)
Option C) 2 more 1sts

The same fanbase that state the Nets should take anything they can get for Harden have had Ben sitting out all season. Harden is desperate for a ring. If the deadline passes, I doubt he'll still be half hearted, especially after KD returns.

As far as the threat of signing Harden outright goes, the Sixers would need to get to about $76mil in team salary (after cap holds for roster spots & picks) to even get in the Harden ballpark (Harden would still be leaving some money on the table). That means they have to pay whatever it takes to get no salary back for Tobias & Simmons (the thought that teams will give Philly pure cap space & picks for Simmons is ludicrous) & renounce Green. Harris, while overpaid, is currently a better player than Maxey, Curry or Thybulle. One would think the Sixers are better off with Harris as the third best player than Maxey (who you could argue would be hampered by the presence of Harden) or Curry. I'm not sure why fans are quicker to attach picks to be rid Harris & in turn Green than one or two of Maxey, Curry & Thybulle.

If this is the position that Sean Marks takes - that he needs two of Maxey, Thybulle or Curry PLUS picks, I would expect a 2:59PM announcement that the Sixers have traded Tobias Harris to the Thunder.

I would be shocked if Thunder takes him without some serious costs. I doubt they will take him at all, but everything has a price. Better to try with another team

While I understand that the Thunder can simply divide the $ that they are below the cap floor to the players, from Presti's perspective, why not bring Harris in? he helps SGA, Giddey and Dort grow their games. and after next year, he can then flip Harris for more assets - just like he flipped Horford.

We take the protection off of 2025, give them 2027 and their choice of 2022 or 2023. I think Presti does that deal.

[Mamba81p]

If this is the position that Sean Marks takes - that he needs two of Maxey, Thybulle or Curry PLUS picks, I would expect a 2:59PM announcement that the Sixers have traded Tobias Harris to the Thunder.

If this trade was going through, it would have happened already. Way too much chatter and media talking heads getting attention. Sixers will have to wait until the summer to make this trade work.

I think there is a better than 50-50 chance that if, by 2:45PM, Morey does not have a deal he likes, he will trade Tobias Harris to the Thunder. It will suck to give up on this season, but the benefit is you not only get Harden, but you deny your division rival Ben Simmons.

#teamchill

Do you want to take a bet? That Harris does not go to the Thunder for less than 3 FRP/swaps?

[NiceLikeChrist]

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This is the softest **** I’ve ever heard After all the criticism that Simmons took for demanding a trade, 76ers fans are cheering Harden forcing his way out. The NBA is truly amazing

Nobody cares if you just demand a trade. **** happens. It's a problem when you demand a trade and then act like a hoe the whole season and refuse to play, like Simmons. Or when you demand a trade and then start acting like a fool off the court and coming into camp out of shape, like Harden with the rockets.

The difference is when Harden demanded a trade, he finally showed up to play and still dropped 30 pt triple-doubles and just said look I can't win with these guys no matter what I do.

Leaving the Nets who were heralded as a super team would be a good look on his legacy. Much better than running to join one.

[durka]

There's a way of going about this without being a complete ass. If Harden quietly went to the Nets and said "Hey, I'm not resigning here and will probably be going to Philly in the offseason", that would be completely respectable. Having this be so public and dealt with through the media pretty much confirms everything people were saying about him during the HOU fiasco.

The Nets should just concede the L and take Simmons. He's definitely not the worst consolation prize you could get here, and at thispoint its a low risk-high reward type of move. He could flourish beside 2 stars who will stretch the floor and take the heat off him from the media/fans to a certain degree.

I also can't be the only one who has doubts about paying Harden the max well into his 30s. The players who are able to stay effective late into their careers are generally the ones who are taking care of their bodies. Harden is the guy who comes to training camp out of shape. His games not as reliant on athleticism as some, but I'd have my reservations making that kind of commitment.

How is Harden responsible for this being so pubic? It might be true I'm not sure what it's based on.

Who knows who's responsible for this being so public, but the fact that this has happened twice in the past 2 seasons with this guy has got to be a huge red flag.

[DusterBuster]

I’m curious why anyone thinks Harden won’t pull the same ish in Philly. Would anyone be shocked if by next season Harden isn’t half assing it at the deadline and there is reports he and Embiid don’t like each other and Harden wants out again?

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I would argue that he is very predictable just like Kyrie. You are guaranteed to f your franchise at some point. It's just a matter of time. You might get lucky and get a ring before that happens like Cavs did, but it's a huge gamble

It’s absolutely predictable. It’s also predictable that Simmons in Brooklyn will be just a continuation of drama for the Nets too. KD has never been a good leader who can bring a lockerroom together and fight through adversity… and Kyrie… lmao. They’re all gonna be finger pointing at one another within a year too.

I see why both sides will probably do it but it’s gonna be a lose-lose trade for everyone.

[DusterBuster]

There's a way of going about this without being a complete ass. If Harden quietly went to the Nets and said "Hey, I'm not resigning here and will probably be going to Philly in the offseason", that would be completely respectable. Having this be so public and dealt with through the media pretty much confirms everything people were saying about him during the HOU fiasco.

The Nets should just concede the L and take Simmons. He's definitely not the worst consolation prize you could get here, and at thispoint its a low risk-high reward type of move. He could flourish beside 2 stars who will stretch the floor and take the heat off him from the media/fans to a certain degree.

I also can't be the only one who has doubts about paying Harden the max well into his 30s. The players who are able to stay effective late into their careers are generally the ones who are taking care of their bodies. Harden is the guy who comes to training camp out of shape. His games not as reliant on athleticism as some, but I'd have my reservations making that kind of commitment.

How is Harden responsible for this being so pubic? It might be true I'm not sure what it's based on.

Who knows who's responsible for this being so public, but the fact that this has happened twice in the past 2 seasons with this guy has got to be a huge red flag.

Yeah, this is a dude who will never be happy no matter where he is.

[DusterBuster]

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This is the softest **** I’ve ever heard After all the criticism that Simmons took for demanding a trade, 76ers fans are cheering Harden forcing his way out. The NBA is truly amazing

Nobody cares if you just demand a trade. **** happens. It's a problem when you demand a trade and then act like a hoe the whole season and refuse to play, like Simmons. Or when you demand a trade and then start acting like a fool off the court and coming into camp out of shape, like Harden with the rockets.

The difference is when Harden demanded a trade, he finally showed up to play and still dropped 30 pt triple-doubles and just said look I can't win with these guys no matter what I do.

Leaving the Nets who were heralded as a super team would be a good look on his legacy. Much better than running to join one.

Wtf are you talking about. He helped push the trade to get to the Nets… he was essentially running to join that super team, then decided he didn’t like it a year later.

There’s no repairing this dudes legacy. He’s gonna go down like Westbrook as a super talented player who was impossible to work with for other players.

[durka]

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I would argue that he is very predictable just like Kyrie. You are guaranteed to f your franchise at some point. It's just a matter of time. You might get lucky and get a ring before that happens like Cavs did, but it's a huge gamble

It’s absolutely predictable. It’s also predictable that Simmons in Brooklyn will be just a continuation of drama for the Nets too. KD has never been a good leader who can bring a lockerroom together and fight through adversity… and Kyrie… lmao. They’re all gonna be finger pointing at one another within a year too.

I see why both sides will probably do it but it’s gonna be a lose-lose trade for everyone.

If we want to go back a bit further, this was all pretty predictable when the Nets signed the 2 biggest drama queens in the league.

[DusterBuster]

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[DusterBuster]

I would argue that he is very predictable just like Kyrie. You are guaranteed to f your franchise at some point. It's just a matter of time. You might get lucky and get a ring before that happens like Cavs did, but it's a huge gamble

It’s absolutely predictable. It’s also predictable that Simmons in Brooklyn will be just a continuation of drama for the Nets too. KD has never been a good leader who can bring a lockerroom together and fight through adversity… and Kyrie… lmao. They’re all gonna be finger pointing at one another within a year too.

I see why both sides will probably do it but it’s gonna be a lose-lose trade for everyone.

If we want to go back a bit further, this was all pretty predictable when the Nets signed the 2 biggest drama queens in the league.

Been saying the sammmmmeeee thing my man.

Trades are hard to predict, but how players will gel? Less so.

[Mamba81p]

If this is the position that Sean Marks takes - that he needs two of Maxey, Thybulle or Curry PLUS picks, I would expect a 2:59PM announcement that the Sixers have traded Tobias Harris to the Thunder.

I would be shocked if Thunder takes him without some serious costs. I doubt they will take him at all, but everything has a price. Better to try with another team

While I understand that the Thunder can simply divide the $ that they are below the cap floor to the players, from Presti's perspective, why not bring Harris in? he helps SGA, Giddey and Dort grow their games. and after next year, he can then flip Harris for more assets - just like he flipped Horford.

We take the protection off of 2025, give them 2027 and their choice of 2022 or 2023. I think Presti does that deal.

They are not under the floor next year. Assuming the Sixers will take Favors back, and in that case they will have to burn another pick to get off the books after he opts in, The real cost for Thunder is around 65mil$. That's a ton of money for their owner. How many picks is that worth? 3-4? 20 mil$ for a FRP? That's expensive as hell.

Horford had a smaller salary and he was flipped for a longer contract. Harris is going to make close to 40 mil, but as you can see it gets expensive fast.

You can easily take contracts until you have to pay your young guys, which is basically free picks, which Thunder did, but SGA extensions kicks in this summer, and they have to sign Dortz after that. From now on those picks are not free, they have a cost. The question is what is that cost. But I will agree that definitely is far better/cheaper to move Harris now, I am just not sure if they are too late for that, what's the market out there. Blazers pulled the trigger with a player easier to move. There is a finite number of teams that are willing to do that

[Pointgod]

Gotta love it.

Sixer fans beating their chests when…

A) No deal is official yet.
B) They’re basically getting the same player they are trading away who can (and likely will) turn/quit on them at the drop of a hat.

It’s just… :chefskiss:

So funny. Even if the deal happens, Sixer fans will still be in for more seasons of lockerroom drama.

James Harden couldn’t get along with Dwight Howard, Chris Paul, Russell Westbrook. Dude has the easiest path ever in Brooklyn, all he has to do is show up and play hard. Now he’s bitching to get out of there. It’s safe to say James Harden has a losers mentality. A ton of talent but this guy is not a winner at all. Give it a year before the finger pointing and him and Embiid at each other’s throats.

I’d be adding KD and Kyrie to that list. That’s said, every one of these players have been hard-to-work-with teammates.

Still though, totally 100% right. He was on a short deal too, he could just give it one real go here in Brooklyn then pick his own team this summer and avoided all this nonsense. If he’s worried about perception, that was the route to go, not this way.

I agree, middle of next season when the stories start leaking that Embiid and him don’t get along.

I’m not going to blame KD too much for this because I’m 100% convinced that if KD didn’t get injured Harden would play out the season. He’s just that big of a whiny bitch. Yes let’s add Kyrie to the list another loser who ends up blowing up every situation he’s been in. see Boston and Cleveland. This should be a wake up call to superstars that playing with your friends is a horrible idea. Let GMs build the best team around you. And ownership should be weary of giving complete control of personnel decisions to players also see Lebron and the Lakers.

Jesus the Nets experiment might not even last 2 seasons. This is embarrassing for everyone involved.

[DusterBuster]

James Harden couldn’t get along with Dwight Howard, Chris Paul, Russell Westbrook. Dude has the easiest path ever in Brooklyn, all he has to do is show up and play hard. Now he’s bitching to get out of there. It’s safe to say James Harden has a losers mentality. A ton of talent but this guy is not a winner at all. Give it a year before the finger pointing and him and Embiid at each other’s throats.

I’d be adding KD and Kyrie to that list. That’s said, every one of these players have been hard-to-work-with teammates.

Still though, totally 100% right. He was on a short deal too, he could just give it one real go here in Brooklyn then pick his own team this summer and avoided all this nonsense. If he’s worried about perception, that was the route to go, not this way.

I agree, middle of next season when the stories start leaking that Embiid and him don’t get along.

I’m not going to blame KD too much for this because I’m 100% convinced that if KD didn’t get injured Harden would play out the season. He’s just that big of a whiny bitch. Yes let’s add Kyrie to the list another loser who ends up blowing up every situation he’s been in. see Boston and Cleveland. This should be a wake up call to superstars that playing with your friends is a horrible idea. Let GMs build the best team around you. And ownership should be weary of giving complete control of personnel decisions to players also see Lebron and the Lakers.

Jesus the Nets experiment might not even last 2 seasons. This is embarrassing for everyone involved.

Yeah, but KD couldn’t even work it out with the Warriors. He even had drama as a part of one of the most drama free groups in the league. He’s just like Simmons in that he can’t take even the tiniest bit of criticism… but least he passive aggressively plays through it and doesn’t just take his ball home and not come back like Ben.

He probably would have played through with a healthy KD, but it still would have been drama. KD if even right now liking social posts about Harden leaving lol.