2022-23 NBA MVP Discussion (Pt.1)

[falcolombardi]

Warriors non-curry players may br a worse supporting cast than shai's thunder cast

Wild

[Sgt Major]

No Nuggets starter scored in the 4th quarter, Knicks with a 17-2 run. Just embarrassing.

[Oscar9992]

Steph Curry might be the best player this year?

[ChartFiction]

Klay needs to retire. The starting lineup still being a big positive on the floor in spite of Klay shooting 35% FG and being the most attempts other than Steph is crazy. Imagine if they had someone good.

[Kingarella]

Warriors non-curry players may br a worse supporting cast than shai's thunder cast

Wild

cough cough...dallas...cough

[SpreeS]

How could it be?

Klay/Curry on 312min 675poss

Klay 175 FGA .475 TS
Curry 174 FGA .758 TS

Wiggs 108 FGA .652 TS

[_NoMas]

This DAL-HOU game really solidifies Luka's MVP case...all naysayers suddenly understand why he has the ball so much

If he can get Dallas into the top 4 and his numbers don't plateau (~30/8/8 on 60 TS% should get it done), the MVP award is his to lose.

One game and especially a b2b can't prove anything.

OKC beat Dallas with Doncic by shuting him down, then a few days later lost to a depleted Bucks team at home without Giannis, Jrue, Middleton and more and then they won b2b games against the Raptors and @Knicks.

Lol, some posters are deperate
Tell me more abot Luka's "on\off" and about how the Mavs are just as good without him

Let's be honest: guys that now say - it's just one game! - if this one game would have exhibited the Mavs playing well and dominating, you's be out here making threads. You wouldnt be saying..ah it's just one game



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It’s not as bad a supporting cast as there showing on the second night of a back to back would suggest. Weren’t there Mavs 2-1 up in a playoff series just a few months ago without Luka?!

[Archx]

One game and especially a b2b can't prove anything.

OKC beat Dallas with Doncic by shuting him down, then a few days later lost to a depleted Bucks team at home without Giannis, Jrue, Middleton and more and then they won b2b games against the Raptors and @Knicks.

Lol, some posters are deperate
Tell me more abot Luka's "on\off" and about how the Mavs are just as good without him

Let's be honest: guys that now say - it's just one game! - if this one game would have exhibited the Mavs playing well and dominating, you's be out here making threads. You wouldnt be saying..ah it's just one game



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It’s not as bad a supporting cast as there showing on the second night of a back to back would suggest. Weren’t there Mavs 2-1 up in a playoff series just a few months ago without Luka?!

Mavs let the best sidekick that Luka had in the NBA walk for nothing. So this is now a different team in a different scenario. Makes no sense comparing tbh. Also, HOU are the worst team in the league with horrible defense and bad offense. They played their 11th game, out of 15, on the road already. So B2B is a really poor excuse.

Kidd's one dimensional offense was on full display. Rockets had 20 TO's to Mavs 6 and still couldn't capitalize.

[_NoMas]

Lol, some posters are deperate
Tell me more abot Luka's "on\off" and about how the Mavs are just as good without him

Let's be honest: guys that now say - it's just one game! - if this one game would have exhibited the Mavs playing well and dominating, you's be out here making threads. You wouldnt be saying..ah it's just one game



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It’s not as bad a supporting cast as there showing on the second night of a back to back would suggest. Weren’t there Mavs 2-1 up in a playoff series just a few months ago without Luka?!

Mavs let the best sidekick that Luka had in the NBA walk for nothing. So this is now a different team in a different scenario. Makes no sense comparing tbh. Also, HOU are the worst team in the league with horrible defense and bad offense. They played their 11th game, out of 15, on the road already. So B2B is a really poor excuse.

Kidd's one dimensional offense was on full display. Rockets had 20 TO's to Mavs 6 and still couldn't capitalize.

I don’t disagree, it is a different team. That said, whilst it might be minus Brunson, there was 54 extra points last night that weren’t there in last years play offs from Wood and Hardaway Jr. It was a bad loss no doubt, but it’s still not as bad a supporting cast as last nights result would suggest

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It’s not as bad a supporting cast as there showing on the second night of a back to back would suggest. Weren’t there Mavs 2-1 up in a playoff series just a few months ago without Luka?!

Mavs let the best sidekick that Luka had in the NBA walk for nothing. So this is now a different team in a different scenario. Makes no sense comparing tbh. Also, HOU are the worst team in the league with horrible defense and bad offense. They played their 11th game, out of 15, on the road already. So B2B is a really poor excuse.

Kidd's one dimensional offense was on full display. Rockets had 20 TO's to Mavs 6 and still couldn't capitalize.

I don’t disagree, it is a different team. That said, whilst it might be minus Brunson, there was 54 extra points last night that weren’t there in last years play offs from Wood and Hardaway Jr. It was a bad loss no doubt, but it’s still not as bad a supporting cast as last nights result would suggest

I agree that they are not as bad as it looks on paper. But when you deep dive into various statistics, you'll get a severe head pain so i'll spare you with that

But i will say this. Mavs starting lineup compared to other lineups had a negative value and were almost the worst in the league before Powell was inserted back. They are horribly underperforming while Luka is the only guy in "green numbers". Is that a coincidence?

And i'll just repeat what someone else pointed out in different topic. In this game, starting lineup had a combined total of 27 pts while Luka himself averages over 34 for the season. Doncic in WINS averages 37/8/8 on 56% FG . That's the norm for Mavs this year, that's how bad they were so far.

[Exp0sed]

It’s not as bad a supporting cast as there showing on the second night of a back to back would suggest. Weren’t there Mavs 2-1 up in a playoff series just a few months ago without Luka?!

Mavs let the best sidekick that Luka had in the NBA walk for nothing. So this is now a different team in a different scenario. Makes no sense comparing tbh. Also, HOU are the worst team in the league with horrible defense and bad offense. They played their 11th game, out of 15, on the road already. So B2B is a really poor excuse.

Kidd's one dimensional offense was on full display. Rockets had 20 TO's to Mavs 6 and still couldn't capitalize.

I don’t disagree, it is a different team. That said, whilst it might be minus Brunson, there was 54 extra points last night that weren’t there in last years play offs from Wood and Hardaway Jr. It was a bad loss no doubt, but it’s still not as bad a supporting cast as last nights result would suggest

Theyre not a bad supporting cast at all - as long theyre in a "supporting" role

3d guys like DFS and Bullock demonstrated in last year's playoff that they fit perfectly with Luka - play great defense, no ego,dont need the ball in their hands just space the floor and cut the basket

They're a great fit with Luka but once Luka is out and they need to also create and out the ball on the floor - they can't do that and thats fine..if they could they'd be payed alot more and wanting a different role

The supporting cast is fine...not amazing or anything but not that bad either


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[_NoMas]

Mavs let the best sidekick that Luka had in the NBA walk for nothing. So this is now a different team in a different scenario. Makes no sense comparing tbh. Also, HOU are the worst team in the league with horrible defense and bad offense. They played their 11th game, out of 15, on the road already. So B2B is a really poor excuse.

Kidd's one dimensional offense was on full display. Rockets had 20 TO's to Mavs 6 and still couldn't capitalize.

I don’t disagree, it is a different team. That said, whilst it might be minus Brunson, there was 54 extra points last night that weren’t there in last years play offs from Wood and Hardaway Jr. It was a bad loss no doubt, but it’s still not as bad a supporting cast as last nights result would suggest

I agree that they are not as bad as it looks on paper. But when you deep dive into various statistics, you'll get a severe head pain so i'll spare you with that

But i will say this. Mavs starting lineup compared to other lineups had a negative value and were almost the worst in the league before Powell was inserted back. They are horribly underperforming while Luka is the only guy in "green numbers". Is that a coincidence?

And i'll just repeat what someone else pointed out in different topic. In this game, starting lineup had a combined total of 27 pts while Luka himself averages over 34 for the season. Doncic in WINS averages 37/8/8 on 56% FG . That's the norm for Mavs this year, that's how bad they were so far.

It’ll be interesting to see who they could/ will end up pairing with Luka in future. I know there’s lots of media talk about Luka being too ball dominant for another star to want to play with him (I don’t buy it tbh), but who would you see as an ideal all star running mate for him?

[Exp0sed]

LeBron puts up historic scoring numbers in a losing effort: "Stat padding. He's clearly going for the scoring title."

Curry puts up historic scoring numbers in a losing effort: "Is he peaking? Best player in the league and GOAT of all time offensive player!"

R u being serious?
LBJ is shooting a career low, something like 45% iirc for the field and 25% from 3 in considerable volume

Steph is shooting a career high (!) from the field (like 53% holy cow) and his usual 42% from 3 AND is getting to the line at a career high rate..all while being 3 months from turning 35 lmfao

Not to mention, Without Curry and his scoring the Dubs have been god awfu

Do u see the difference?

It's never stat padding if u actually do it well, let alone THAT well

I dont think Curry's splits are sustainable but it's the Chef..i certainly wouldnt bet against him

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Spoiler:

I don’t disagree, it is a different team. That said, whilst it might be minus Brunson, there was 54 extra points last night that weren’t there in last years play offs from Wood and Hardaway Jr. It was a bad loss no doubt, but it’s still not as bad a supporting cast as last nights result would suggest

I agree that they are not as bad as it looks on paper. But when you deep dive into various statistics, you'll get a severe head pain so i'll spare you with that

But i will say this. Mavs starting lineup compared to other lineups had a negative value and were almost the worst in the league before Powell was inserted back. They are horribly underperforming while Luka is the only guy in "green numbers". Is that a coincidence?

And i'll just repeat what someone else pointed out in different topic. In this game, starting lineup had a combined total of 27 pts while Luka himself averages over 34 for the season. Doncic in WINS averages 37/8/8 on 56% FG . That's the norm for Mavs this year, that's how bad they were so far.

It’ll be interesting to see who they could/ will end up pairing with Luka in future. I know there’s lots of media talk about Luka being too ball dominant for another star to want to play with him (I don’t buy it tbh), but who would you see as an ideal all star running mate for him?

A competent center that can actually defend, rebound and roll would be a great start.. I swear i haven't seen anyone look for McGee as much as i saw Luka when they tried PnR. Luka/Giannis combo, with his athleticism and defensive help would be absolutely devastating for the league.

And then another example. A guard like Brunson? He looked great with Mavs but Cuban screwed that one up. I swear Mavs would have only 2 or 3 losses at this point if they still had him.

Or if i go into more extreme. The Celtics roster would be insanely perfect for Doncic. Great defenders, shooters and you have multiple players that can do something with the ball PLUS you have a 2nd all star in Brown that can take over games when needed. It would also take Luka off the ball more so he wouldn't be tired from all the carrying he has to do. It would also be impossible to double or triple team him because there would be other dangerous offensive players next to him.

[maxpower8888]

The Mavs just lost at home to the worst team in the league without Luka in the lineup.

[LukaTheGOAT]

With the way the game is being officiated currently:

This might be most impressive season for guard play ever.

Steph, Luka, Shai, Ja, Dmitch, Dame, Kyrie (before his very last game he played, he averaged over 30).

Shai is currently leading thr league in points in the paint, which if it holds would be the first time ever a guard has done it since the stat has been tracked.

Last year Ja Morant lead in per game points in the paint which was the first time ever a guard had done such a thing as well.

Last time I heard, Luka was #1 in post-up points, which would the first time a guard has ever lead since the number has been tracked.

[Impuniti]

Warriors non-curry players may br a worse supporting cast than shai's thunder cast

Wild

cough cough...dallas...cough

Dallas isn't -14 net without Luka in the lineup, it's not even remotely close.

[falcolombardi]

LeBron puts up historic scoring numbers in a losing effort: "Stat padding. He's clearly going for the scoring title."

Curry puts up historic scoring numbers in a losing effort: "Is he peaking? Best player in the league and GOAT of all time offensive player!"

R u being serious?
LBJ is shooting a career low, something like 45% iirc for the field and 25% from 3 in considerable volume

Steph is shooting a career high (!) from the field (like 53% holy cow) and his usual 42% from 3 AND is getting to the line at a career high rate..all while being 3 months from turning 35 lmfao

Not to mention, Without Curry and his scoring the Dubs have been god awfu

Do u see the difference?

It's never stat padding if u actually do it well, let alone THAT well

I dont think Curry's splits are sustainable but it's the Chef..i certainly wouldnt bet against him

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He is comparing to 2022 season

[bisme37]

I just added SGA to the poll. Congrats Clipsfan your life is complete now. I took KD out since his team is butt and he didn't have any votes.

If folks haven't noticed you can change your vote as many times as you like btw.

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Warriors non-curry players may br a worse supporting cast than shai's thunder cast

Wild

cough cough...dallas...cough

Dallas isn't -14 net without Luka in the lineup, it's not even remotely close.

GSW starting unit.

+27 (Looney - apparently GSW best player ), +24 Curry, +17 Green, +13 Klay, +11 Wiggins.

Mavs starting unit.

-21 McGee, -15 Dinwiddie, -12 DFS, -8 Bullock, +5 Doncic (the only positive player).