NBA MVP Discussion Thread 2022-23 (pt 2)

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Just because Jokic doesn't have a championship rn doesn't mean he'll never get one

in all likelihood by the time his career will end he will be both top 20 all time and a champion

that's the argument ur going with?

that's a really odd hill to die on imo..

I meam, do u not think he is pretty likely to end up as both a champion and top 20 all-time?

not saying it's guaranteed by that's a very likely scenario, wouldn't you agree?

He might, but that would involve the Nuggets getting their heads out of their asses. They have two massive contracts that are handicapping his chances. He might win one with another team.

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it could def be with another team although I think Jokis is pretty set about being a Nugget for life, it'll take some real incompetence or some other scandal to shake that, imo

the Mavs failed to build around Dirk for years but still he was good enough for one lucky (and incredible run)
Jokic is so good, he'll be in those spots with a puncher's and 1,2,3,4 tries he'll get one eventually

then what ur basically saying is, that because you won't believe that'll happen than a 3rd MVP will be the "biggest farce in NBA history?"

because it's quite likely and the people who would vote for him, also have eyes and know that a guy like Bird (a 3 time MVP) wouldn't have a ring with the casts Jokic played with for every single season in his career

it's really not that hard to see

Moses Malone in his 1983 'chip and MVP (another 3 time MVP winner) played with 32 year old Dr J, Mo Cheeks (and other productive players)

in fact Malone won in 83' and 82' after 81' where a slightly younger Dr J was...MVP

How about Magic, how many would he have had with Murray, Torrey craig, Will Barton and Garry Harris?

it's very easy for (almost) all to see

[eyeatoma]

Just because Jokic doesn't have a championship rn doesn't mean he'll never get one

in all likelihood by the time his career will end he will be both top 20 all time and a champion

that's the argument ur going with?

that's a really odd hill to die on imo..

I meam, do u not think he is pretty likely to end up as both a champion and top 20 all-time?

not saying it's guaranteed by that's a very likely scenario, wouldn't you agree?

He might, but that would involve the Nuggets getting their heads out of their asses. They have two massive contracts that are handicapping his chances. He might win one with another team.

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it could def be with another team although I think Jokis is pretty set about being a Nugget for life, it'll take some real incompetence or some other scandal to shake that, imo

the Mavs failed to build around Dirk for years but still he was good enough for one lucky (and incredible run)
Jokic is so good, he'll be in those spots with a puncher's and 1,2,3,4 tries he'll get one eventually

then what ur basically saying is, that because you won't believe that'll happen than a 3rd MVP will be the "biggest farce in NBA history?"

because it's quite likely and the people who would vote for him, also have eyes and know that a guy like Bird (a 3 time MVP) wouldn't have a ring with the casts Jokic played with for every single season in his career

it's really not that hard to see

Moses Malone in his 1983 'chip and MVP (another 3 time MVP winner) played with 32 year old Dr J, Mo Cheeks (and other productive players)

in fact Malone won in 83' and 82' after 81' where a slightly younger Dr J was...MVP

How about Magic, how many would he have had with Murray, Torrey craig, Will Barton and Garry Harris?

it's very easy for (almost) all to see

I can easily envision a chip for him. But at some point post season has to matter if you're getting a 3rd. And it can't be after the fact.

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[GeorgeSears]

Luka did things during this 5 game stretch that I've only seen James Harden (in his prime) do.

[Mick Dundee]

There's a guy playing fore the 6ers called Mathysse Thybulle (imsir).

I don't know much about Trade Rules, Contracts and Regulations.

So, under what circumstances would it be possible for the Nuggets to get that fella?

[eyeatoma]

Luka did things during this 5 game stretch that I've only seen James Harden (in his prime) do.

Makes sense as Luka has seemed to model his game after Harden. The offense is also very Hardenesque.

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[eyeatoma]

There's a guy playing fore the 6ers called Mathysse Thybulle (imsir).

I don't know much about Trade Rules, Contracts and Regulations.

So, under what circumstances would it be possible for the Nuggets to get that fella?

They would probably want KCP.

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[mpoo_sin]

Luka did things during this 5 game stretch that I've only seen James Harden (in his prime) do.

Makes sense as Luka has seemed to model his game after Harden. The offense is also very Hardenesque.

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Doncic is much more diverse in his offensive approach. He is playing a style that can not be exposed in the playoffs. He gets better come playoffs. Harden routinely vanished.

[ty 4191]

Oh really? How long have you been on this forum?

Unfortunately, I've been here long enough to see you spam and try to ruin the last 3 years' worth of MVP threads with literally hundreds of totally vapid, zero insight, regressive, 100% agenda-driven drivel about Joel Embiid.

You were dead wrong about Jokic the last two years and you'll be wrong again this year.

[iggymcfrack]

May sound crazy but Haliburton deserves a mention at this point. He would be the 1st player ever to average 20-10 assists while shooting 40% from 3. Not totally arbitrary since it correlates to Great scoring - Great playmaking - Great Shooting which are 3 incredibly rare levels to master.

Also he’s at 48.5/41/87.7 shooting splits which is superior to other names like Tatum & Doncic.

Just saying if he maintains this plays, even squeaks out a 50-40-90 season, Pacers stay hot and say get a top 4 seed, he definitely has a case over other dudes. Particularly if a couple of the other front runners get hurt or their team has a worse record that the Pacers.

Anything can happen.

If you wanna say he deserves consideration for 2nd or 3rd team all-NBA, that’s totally fair, but it’s kinda silly to act like 21/4/10 gets you in the MVP conversation when Luka’s averaging 34/9/9 and Jokic is averaging 26/11/10 on way better efficiency.

[eyeatoma]

Luka did things during this 5 game stretch that I've only seen James Harden (in his prime) do.

Makes sense as Luka has seemed to model his game after Harden. The offense is also very Hardenesque.

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Doncic is much more diverse in his offensive approach. He is playing a style that can not be exposed in the playoffs. He gets better come playoffs. Harden routinely vanished.

Ya agreed.

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[eyeatoma]

Oh really? How long have you been on this forum?

Unfortunately, I've been here long enough to see you spam and try to ruin the last 3 years' worth of MVP threads with literally hundreds of totally vapid, zero insight, regressive, 100% agenda-driven drivel about Joel Embiid.

You were dead wrong about Jokic the last two years and you'll be wrong again this year.

Ok buddy. You do you.

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[RipHamilton]

May sound crazy but Haliburton deserves a mention at this point. He would be the 1st player ever to average 20-10 assists while shooting 40% from 3. Not totally arbitrary since it correlates to Great scoring - Great playmaking - Great Shooting which are 3 incredibly rare levels to master.

Also he’s at 48.5/41/87.7 shooting splits which is superior to other names like Tatum & Doncic.

Just saying if he maintains this plays, even squeaks out a 50-40-90 season, Pacers stay hot and say get a top 4 seed, he definitely has a case over other dudes. Particularly if a couple of the other front runners get hurt or their team has a worse record that the Pacers.

Anything can happen.

No, he does not deserve any mention at all. A good player is not an MVP. Not every player is worth an MVP. Haliburton is playing great, but he is miles behind Luka, Jokic or Giannis. His ability to dominate games is clearly below what Doncic does, for example. No chance for the MVP, so no reason to mention him. Great player, though, but few steps behind the best ones.

Luka already leading the race:

[hardenASG13]

Oh really? How long have you been on this forum?

Unfortunately, I've been here long enough to see you spam and try to ruin the last 3 years' worth of MVP threads with literally hundreds of totally vapid, zero insight, regressive, 100% agenda-driven drivel about Joel Embiid.

You were dead wrong about Jokic the last two years and you'll be wrong again this year.

Ok buddy. You do you.

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Embiid was on track to win the MVP in March of the 2020-21 season, but got hurt and Jokic won it. They'd each have one at this point had Embiid not went out with his injury.

[mademan]

Luka's putting up video game numbers and Jokic out here just putting up 30/12/12 on 10-13 shooting with zero turnovers..wtffff?

It's not gonna be easy for Luka

[HotRocks34]

Strong night from Jokic

[Cubbies2120]

Luka's putting up video game numbers and Jokic out here just putting up 30/12/12 on 10-13 shooting with zero turnovers..wtffff?

It's not gonna be easy for Luka

Against the best team in the league, too. His orchestrating the offense is a joy to watch.

[maxwellcu]

Statement game.

[Woodsanity]

Unfortunately, I've been here long enough to see you spam and try to ruin the last 3 years' worth of MVP threads with literally hundreds of totally vapid, zero insight, regressive, 100% agenda-driven drivel about Joel Embiid.

You were dead wrong about Jokic the last two years and you'll be wrong again this year.

Ok buddy. You do you.

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Embiid was on track to win the MVP in March of the 2020-21 season, but got hurt and Jokic won it. They'd each have one at this point had Embiid not went out with his injury.

Embiid getting hurt is his calling card at this point.

Compare minutes played between Embiid and someone of similar age in Giannis....

Giannis Regular Season Minutes played: 22365, Embiid Regular Season minutes played: 11197

Yes Giannis has double embiid's minutes played.

Its the same thing as saying if Anthony Davis didn't get hurt all the time....

[Duke4life831]

Jokic most likely will need the #1 seed in the West to win it this year. But with that said, his game is so weird and hard to comprehend, its like a combo of Steve Nash and some elite big haha. 5 guys for the Nuggets took at least 12 shots, no one took more than 14 (just like those old Suns teams). But instead of averaging 18-19 points (like Nash), Jokic is out here averaging 25-27 points. And instead of dribbling the ball the entire possession, the ball never sticks in his hands. I bring up Nash because I dont recall watching someone orchestrate an offense to this level since Nash and those Suns. And again unlike guys like Luka and Harden who were the main guys for high power offenses. They did it while also putting up 20+ shots a game. Jokic is 3rd on his own team in FGAs per 100.

The guy is legit flirting with a 25ppg, 70 TS%, triple double. You cant do that and have your team in the #1 seed and not win the MVP.

[Peregrine01]

Jokic most likely will need the #1 seed in the West to win it this year. But with that said, his game is so weird and hard to comprehend, its like a combo of Steve Nash and some elite big haha. 5 guys for the Nuggets took at least 12 shots, no one took more than 14 (just like those old Suns teams). But instead of averaging 18-19 points (like Nash), Jokic is out here averaging 25-27 points. And instead of dribbling the ball the entire possession, the ball never sticks in his hands. I bring up Nash because I dont recall watching someone orchestrate an offense to this level since Nash and those Suns. And again unlike guys like Luka and Harden who were the main guys for high power offenses. They did it while also putting up 20+ shots a game. Jokic is 3rd on his own team in FGAs per 100.

The guy is legit flirting with a 25ppg, 70 TS%, triple double. You cant do that and have your team in the #1 seed and not win the MVP.

It's not hyperbole to now say that this guy may go down as the greatest offensive player of all time. Literally every lineup he plays in leads to the #1 offense in the league. It doesn't make any sense.