Kendrick Perkins controversial comments on Jokic. Update: JJ Redick goes off on Perk about racism

[AussieCeltic]

Sarver (gone now), Dolan, Celtics have had some issues with it, I know Jaylen Brown had rumors about wanting out during the BLM movement. I know it's one of the reasons they went with Udoka and then Mazzula (sp).

Clippers with Sterling before he was forced to sell.

The Jazz have some issues least I know the players have expressed them.

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You're talking about past owners now? I thought you said the current owners are out of touch with players and fanbases?

Celtics have had zero issues with ownership. I don't know where you got that from.

The new Jazz owner is a young guy and is really well liked and is friends with most of the players.

Dolan is the only one I agree on but he seems to be out of the spotlight now and has let his black GM, black team president, black vice president take the reigns.

Most of the owners I've not heard issues with, I'm sharing what we've had issues with over the last 10-15 years. Sarver was this year... 3-4 teams is not little. Jazz had some concerns, if I recollect. You don't remember, the rumors about Brown? I recall things on the media about the Celtics during the bubble playoffs, but I could be misinformed, could have swore I saw some things on that. Again, I don't think there needs to be something drastic like forcing owners to sell, but when an owner is selling, looking for more diverse owners isn't a bad thing. There're already actively doing that with coaches, and people are acting outraged when I mentioned it should also include the owners.

I’m trying to understand your issue. You said there was a problem with owners not connecting with players and fan bases yet can’t give me an example other than the past.

The Jaylen Brown thing is a flat out lie unless you want to show me some proof. In fact, ownership told Brown personally that they weren’t trading him for KD.

Once again, when a team is sold, it will go to the highest bidder no matter gender, race or ethnicity. There are plenty of black and asian billionaires out there who can purchase a team the next time one comes up for sale.

[eyeatoma]

You're talking about past owners now? I thought you said the current owners are out of touch with players and fanbases?

Celtics have had zero issues with ownership. I don't know where you got that from.

The new Jazz owner is a young guy and is really well liked and is friends with most of the players.

Dolan is the only one I agree on but he seems to be out of the spotlight now and has let his black GM, black team president, black vice president take the reigns.

Most of the owners I've not heard issues with, I'm sharing what we've had issues with over the last 10-15 years. Sarver was this year... 3-4 teams is not little. Jazz had some concerns, if I recollect. You don't remember, the rumors about Brown? I recall things on the media about the Celtics during the bubble playoffs, but I could be misinformed, could have swore I saw some things on that. Again, I don't think there needs to be something drastic like forcing owners to sell, but when an owner is selling, looking for more diverse owners isn't a bad thing. There're already actively doing that with coaches, and people are acting outraged when I mentioned it should also include the owners.

I’m trying to understand your issue. You said there was a problem with owners not connecting with players and fan bases yet can’t give me an example other than the past.

The Jaylen Brown thing is a flat out lie unless you want to show me some proof. In fact, ownership told Brown personally that they weren’t trading him for KD.

Once again, when a team is sold, it will go to the highest bidder no matter gender, race or ethnicity. There are plenty of black and asian billionaires out there who can purchase a team the next time one comes up for sale.

As I said, I could be mistaken on the Jaylen Brown thing. This wasn't about the KD trade rumor either. My issue? I think there should be minority representation in ownership. This is something that every fortune 500 company is trying to do or already has done. The NBA does a great job below ownership, but owners per say not so much. You are right, this is limited by the fact that the highest bidder can choose to buy the team.

[JDR720]

You're talking about past owners now? I thought you said the current owners are out of touch with players and fanbases?

Celtics have had zero issues with ownership. I don't know where you got that from.

The new Jazz owner is a young guy and is really well liked and is friends with most of the players.

Dolan is the only one I agree on but he seems to be out of the spotlight now and has let his black GM, black team president, black vice president take the reigns.

Most of the owners I've not heard issues with, I'm sharing what we've had issues with over the last 10-15 years. Sarver was this year... 3-4 teams is not little. Jazz had some concerns, if I recollect. You don't remember, the rumors about Brown? I recall things on the media about the Celtics during the bubble playoffs, but I could be misinformed, could have swore I saw some things on that. Again, I don't think there needs to be something drastic like forcing owners to sell, but when an owner is selling, looking for more diverse owners isn't a bad thing. There're already actively doing that with coaches, and people are acting outraged when I mentioned it should also include the owners.

I’m trying to understand your issue. You said there was a problem with owners not connecting with players and fan bases yet can’t give me an example other than the past.

The Jaylen Brown thing is a flat out lie unless you want to show me some proof. In fact, ownership told Brown personally that they weren’t trading him for KD.

Once again, when a team is sold, it will go to the highest bidder no matter gender, race or ethnicity. There are plenty of black and asian billionaires out there who can purchase a team the next time one comes up for sale.

Ironically, MJ is the current worst owner in the league.

[Ryoga Hibiki]

I love how people get uncomfortable the moment race is brought up. This is exactly why the world is the way it is. I do want to say, racism doesn't just exist from white people. It exists in every single culture in every single country. I'm Indian, and we are some of the most racist people in the world. But, it's okay to say that white privilege, and subconscious racism plays a part in the favoritism given to Jokic. The idea that he can do no wrong, but players like Kyrie Irving, James Harden, Joel Embiid, and Kevin Durant get vilanized for their actions, decisions, or style of play.

I don't deny that white players have to overcome a great amount of stigmatism, and stereotypes because of the color of their skin. Breaking into a predominantly black sport, you have to really prove yourself. Jokic has earned that, and he is one of the best players in the world. But I guarantee you, if this was a black player and they hadn't won a chip or atleast made the finals, that player would not be in the running for MVP.

That being said, black players will always have the microscope on them. LeBron James, people are constantly searching for things to break him down. Tom Brady? The dude clearly cheats and he's lauded as the greatest of all time. I'd be curious to see how many people on this thread are people of color, compared to caucasians. You can say that doesn't matter, but we all know it does, and if this was face to face, these conversations would be a lot more heated. People only say the things they say on this board because they have a screen behind them protecting them.

I don't think you are in position to guarantee anything.
I don't see how a guys with Jokic's case wouldn't be in the running every season

[eyeatoma]

I love how people get uncomfortable the moment race is brought up. This is exactly why the world is the way it is. I do want to say, racism doesn't just exist from white people. It exists in every single culture in every single country. I'm Indian, and we are some of the most racist people in the world. But, it's okay to say that white privilege, and subconscious racism plays a part in the favoritism given to Jokic. The idea that he can do no wrong, but players like Kyrie Irving, James Harden, Joel Embiid, and Kevin Durant get vilanized for their actions, decisions, or style of play.

I don't deny that white players have to overcome a great amount of stigmatism, and stereotypes because of the color of their skin. Breaking into a predominantly black sport, you have to really prove yourself. Jokic has earned that, and he is one of the best players in the world. But I guarantee you, if this was a black player and they hadn't won a chip or atleast made the finals, that player would not be in the running for MVP.

That being said, black players will always have the microscope on them. LeBron James, people are constantly searching for things to break him down. Tom Brady? The dude clearly cheats and he's lauded as the greatest of all time. I'd be curious to see how many people on this thread are people of color, compared to caucasians. You can say that doesn't matter, but we all know it does, and if this was face to face, these conversations would be a lot more heated. People only say the things they say on this board because they have a screen behind them protecting them.

I don't think you are in position to guarantee anything.
I don't see how a guys with Jokic's case wouldn't be in the running every season

If JOkic were black and his team had middling playoff performances, I find it hard to believe that he would win 3 MVPS in a row, he would be in the running.

[SeanieWard]

Perkins is wrong

1. So what they weren't top 10 in scoring. That's an overrated MVP stat. There's so much more to being the most valuable player that season
2. Media always puts a lot of emphasis on team record when it comes to regular season MVP, which I actually disagree with but they've been pretty consistent hence why Dirk and Nash won MVPs even though I would of never voted for them
3. Racism is real, it's in sports and probably all parts of society but Jokic winning an MVP has little to do with race
4. Unlike Nash and Dirk at the time when they won, Jokic has a real case for being the best player in the NBA
5. Perkins learned well from Stephen A. Smith Mr. Sensationalism himself

[AleksandarN]

I love how people get uncomfortable the moment race is brought up. This is exactly why the world is the way it is. I do want to say, racism doesn't just exist from white people. It exists in every single culture in every single country. I'm Indian, and we are some of the most racist people in the world. But, it's okay to say that white privilege, and subconscious racism plays a part in the favoritism given to Jokic. The idea that he can do no wrong, but players like Kyrie Irving, James Harden, Joel Embiid, and Kevin Durant get vilanized for their actions, decisions, or style of play.

I don't deny that white players have to overcome a great amount of stigmatism, and stereotypes because of the color of their skin. Breaking into a predominantly black sport, you have to really prove yourself. Jokic has earned that, and he is one of the best players in the world. But I guarantee you, if this was a black player and they hadn't won a chip or atleast made the finals, that player would not be in the running for MVP.

That being said, black players will always have the microscope on them. LeBron James, people are constantly searching for things to break him down. Tom Brady? The dude clearly cheats and he's lauded as the greatest of all time. I'd be curious to see how many people on this thread are people of color, compared to caucasians. You can say that doesn't matter, but we all know it does, and if this was face to face, these conversations would be a lot more heated. People only say the things they say on this board because they have a screen behind them protecting them.

I don't think you are in position to guarantee anything.
I don't see how a guys with Jokic's case wouldn't be in the running every season

If JOkic were black and his team had middling playoff performances, I find it hard to believe that he would win 3 MVPS in a row, he would be in the running.

Funny how the majority of black voters voted for jokic over Embiid and others the last two years. But let’s go with your unsubstantiated racial narrative. Next time actually use evidence. Not stupid what if ideas in your head. You are grasping at straws now. Resorting to race why jokic is beating your guy. It is really pathetic line of thinking. What will you come up next bud. Aliens?

[MavsDirk41]

Perkins is wrong

1. So what they weren't top 10 in scoring. That's an overrated MVP stat. There's so much more to being the most valuable player that season
2. Media always puts a lot of emphasis on team record when it comes to regular season MVP, which I actually disagree with but they've been pretty consistent hence why Dirk and Nash won MVPs even though I would of never voted for them
3. Racism is real, it's in sports and probably all parts of society but Jokic winning an MVP has little to do with race
4. Unlike Nash and Dirk at the time when they won, Jokic has a real case for being the best player in the NBA
5. Perkins learned well from Stephen A. Smith Mr. Sensationalism himself

Dirk and Nash didnt deserve their MVPs? Come on man

[SeanieWard]

Perkins is wrong

1. So what they weren't top 10 in scoring. That's an overrated MVP stat. There's so much more to being the most valuable player that season
2. Media always puts a lot of emphasis on team record when it comes to regular season MVP, which I actually disagree with but they've been pretty consistent hence why Dirk and Nash won MVPs even though I would of never voted for them
3. Racism is real, it's in sports and probably all parts of society but Jokic winning an MVP has little to do with race
4. Unlike Nash and Dirk at the time when they won, Jokic has a real case for being the best player in the NBA
5. Perkins learned well from Stephen A. Smith Mr. Sensationalism himself

Dirk and Nash didnt deserve their MVPs? Come on man

I was not a fan of them winning MVPs. I'm not mad at it but I disagree with a lot of MVPs picks. I didn't agree with DRose winning MVP either

[BelgradeNugget]

People from the national media that never supported Jokic for MVP:

1. Nick Wright - white
2. Max Kellerman - white
3. Chris Broussard - white
4. Colin Cowherd - white
5. Skip Bayless - white
6. Mike Greenberg - white
7. Rich Bucher - white

Some of Jokic's supporters

1. Michael C. Wright (nba MVP ledder) - black
2. Shannon Sharpe - black

[AussieCeltic]

Most of the owners I've not heard issues with, I'm sharing what we've had issues with over the last 10-15 years. Sarver was this year... 3-4 teams is not little. Jazz had some concerns, if I recollect. You don't remember, the rumors about Brown? I recall things on the media about the Celtics during the bubble playoffs, but I could be misinformed, could have swore I saw some things on that. Again, I don't think there needs to be something drastic like forcing owners to sell, but when an owner is selling, looking for more diverse owners isn't a bad thing. There're already actively doing that with coaches, and people are acting outraged when I mentioned it should also include the owners.

I’m trying to understand your issue. You said there was a problem with owners not connecting with players and fan bases yet can’t give me an example other than the past.

The Jaylen Brown thing is a flat out lie unless you want to show me some proof. In fact, ownership told Brown personally that they weren’t trading him for KD.

Once again, when a team is sold, it will go to the highest bidder no matter gender, race or ethnicity. There are plenty of black and asian billionaires out there who can purchase a team the next time one comes up for sale.

Ironically, MJ is the current worst owner in the league.

Not only that.. Vivek was widely considered a bad owner prior to this season.

[The High Cyde]

If you had any brain cells and are a fan of basketball, there is no way you’re not voting for Jokic as MVP this year. His case is clear cut: 25 point triple double on an insane 70% TS without dominating the ball yet still ripping teams apart while having the top seed in the conference, and top 2 in the league currently. He deserved it last two years as well given how well he played and how impactful he was. We’re witnessing the best offensive big in modern basketball at the peak of his powers, he will get his flowers.

All that doesn’t take away from other great players having amazing seasons in their own right. Race doesn’t even come into it. Pathetic cop out.

[Ryoga Hibiki]

If JOkic were black and his team had middling playoff performances, I find it hard to believe that he would win 3 MVPS in a row, he would be in the running.

there's zero substance in what you're saying, you're not going to find a case in history of players with such a strong case for MVP who were not in consideration.
and I totally understand if white voters and players are getting offending by this kind of BS narrative spread around.

[Ryoga Hibiki]

People from the national media that never supported Jokic for MVP:

1. Nick Wright - white
2. Max Kellerman - white
3. Chris Broussard - white
4. Colin Cowherd - white
5. Skip Bayless - white
6. Mike Greenberg - white
7. Rich Bucher - white

Some of Jokic's supporters

1. Michael C. Wright (nba MVP ledder) - black
2. Shannon Sharpe - black

Broussard is white?

[BelgradeNugget]

People from the national media that never supported Jokic for MVP:

1. Nick Wright - white
2. Max Kellerman - white
3. Chris Broussard - white
4. Colin Cowherd - white
5. Skip Bayless - white
6. Mike Greenberg - white
7. Rich Bucher - white

Some of Jokic's supporters

1. Michael C. Wright (nba MVP ledder) - black
2. Shannon Sharpe - black

Broussard is white?

My mistake - you know I'm a little bit color blind

[gigantes]

If JOkic were black and his team had middling playoff performances, I find it hard to believe that he would win 3 MVPS in a row, he would be in the running.

there's zero substance in what you're saying, you're not going to find a case in history of players with such a strong case for MVP who were in not in consideration.
and I totally understand if white voters and players are getting offending by this kind of BS narrative spread around.

Not to mention, why bring up playoff performance in regards to the MVP race / award? It's a regular-season award with a traditional bias for players having super-awesome seasons for ~contending-level teams.

What's more, the voters have ever-more useful advance stats to help compare their choices. Jokic is absolutely crushing the league with those, while his team is doing great, while he's dominating on the court.

Why would anyone who understands this stuff possibly have a problem with him potentially winning his third MVP...?

[Ryoga Hibiki]

This is the list of he voters and their preferences last year.
Before spitting nonsense about racial bias and white privilege, go through this list and find some evidence, please.
I don't know all these people, but this are some names I can recognize, who voted for Jokic:
David Aldridge
Shams Charania
Anthony Chiang
James Edwards III
Chris Herring
Khobi Price
Stephanie Ready
Taylor Rooks
Dennis Scott
Steve Smith
Seerat Sohi
Ohm Youngmisuk

while these guys voted for Embiid/Giannis:
Howard Beck
Tim Bontempts
Ric Bucher
Brian Mahoney
Dave McMenamin
Ramona Shelbourne
Brian Windhorst

If anything, you see how Embiid was overrepresented in the ESPN narrative oriented talking heads panel.

[TheWhiteMamba]

Honestly, Perkins is a troll, so if he gets attention for an obvious BS statement, he's reaching his goal.

[Ryoga Hibiki]

Honestly, Perkins is a troll, so if he gets attention for an obvious BS statement, he's reaching his goal.

unless he gets enough **** that goes beyond basketball to the point he becomes a risk and not an asset for ESPN.
He could shoot JJ on live TV and get a lot attention for sure, but not sure it would help him too much.

[BostonCouchGM]

JJ with the rarest of rare Ws. Perkins is a race-baiter like most of the other talking heads on during these sports talk shows. Glad someone had the confidence to call him on it. The usual suspects of course came to Perkins defense.