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Ceiling is higher, floor is lower for this Knicks team post KAT trade.
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Quentin wrote:I've been following the Wolves since inception. I was very happy to hear about the Towns trade. He has a ten cent head, as Knicks fans will soon find out. Really dumb fouls. Very soft defender and gets lost a lot. Tries to make highlight reel passes that don't work. I may be in the minority from a Wolves fan perspective but I always thought he was overrated. Guess we'll see how the season goes.
damn this sounds like Randle.
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Moose wrote:Celts17Pride wrote:Moose wrote:
People really just make things up. Even with all the injuries, brunson averaged 35 mpg during the season. Thibs runs a 9-man rotation.
They may still get hurt, but it isn't because they are playing 44 mpg.
The point is still the same. Thibs because of a lack of bench depth, is going to run the starters into the ground. It's what he has always done.
The regular season data says otherwise.
Did you watch last year's Knicks playoffs?

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Celts17Pride wrote:Moose wrote:Celts17Pride wrote:The point is still the same. Thibs because of a lack of bench depth, is going to run the starters into the ground. It's what he has always done.
The regular season data says otherwise.
Did you watch last year's Knicks playoffs?Good Luck!
Oh man, you are really behind on this stuff. Tatum averaged more minutes than Brunson, as did Embiid and Maxey.
Also, again, you mean when everyone was injured? The Knicks were down to maybe 7 playable players in the playoffs.
https://www.espn.com/nba/stats/player/_/stat/minutes/season/2024/seasontype/3/players/5/table/general/sort/avgMinutes/dir/desc
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nzahir wrote:Sealab2024 wrote:Just so you guys know. KAT is literally the worst defensive center you can have. Very good on the perimeter or bodying 1 on 1, but literally no feel, no rim protection, no help D. There's a reason the Wolves got Gobert. There's a reason suddenly KAT looked decent on D after they did.
Well they still have Mitchell Robinson coming back don't they...
They should really consider a move for a C who isn't hurt now though
OG is the best defender out of OG, Bridges, ANT, and Mcdaniels
They still have Hart and Precious to help out on D. And I think McBride plays decent defense iirc
NY is gona be legit
McBride is a demon on D, he’s just short…but Achiuwa played Center for us last year. So I don’t see why he couldn’t fill the same role next to KAT.
If Jericho Sims proves insufficient to fill in while Mitch is hurt, I’d be open using the WSH FRP + Dadiet to flip him for a Kessler / Bitadze…but the kid has interesting potential and our staff has been high on him.
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Celts17Pride wrote:Knicks lack depth. Thibs is going to play the starters 42-44 mpg and run them into the ground. Everyone will be hurt for the playoffs.
Where have we seen this movie before?
How is the Knicks depth worse than Boston, Milwaukee, or Philly’s? The team has 3 bench guys capable of starting without the team falling off…McBride, Hart, & Achiuwa.
Plus Payne who did well for Philly last season and Sims who stepped in during injuries and looked solid. Yes our depth could use work but I don’t see a significant disadvantage until we get to the younger teams (Indy / Orlando).
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Moose wrote:Celts17Pride wrote:Knicks lack depth. Thibs is going to play the starters 42-44 mpg and run them into the ground. Everyone will be hurt for the playoffs.
Where have we seen this movie before?
People really just make things up. Even with all the injuries, brunson averaged 35 mpg during the season. Thibs runs a 9-man rotation.
They may still get hurt, but it isn't because they are playing 44 mpg.
Repeating old memes is easier than learning new information.
Capn'O wrote:We're the recovering meth addict older brother. And we've been clean for a few years now, thank you very much. Very uncouth to bring it up.
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cgf wrote:nzahir wrote:Sealab2024 wrote:Just so you guys know. KAT is literally the worst defensive center you can have. Very good on the perimeter or bodying 1 on 1, but literally no feel, no rim protection, no help D. There's a reason the Wolves got Gobert. There's a reason suddenly KAT looked decent on D after they did.
Well they still have Mitchell Robinson coming back don't they...
They should really consider a move for a C who isn't hurt now though
OG is the best defender out of OG, Bridges, ANT, and Mcdaniels
They still have Hart and Precious to help out on D. And I think McBride plays decent defense iirc
NY is gona be legit
McBride is a demon on D, he’s just short…but Achiuwa played Center for us last year. So I don’t see why he couldn’t fill the same role next to KAT.
If Jericho Sims proves insufficient to fill in while Mitch is hurt, I’d be open using the WSH FRP + Dadiet to flip him for a Kessler / Bitadze…but the kid has interesting potential and our staff has been high on him.
One thing about the trade I like for the knicks is that achuiwa is a better fit with kat than with randle. Not just the spacing but kat gives them more size as well.
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Glad to see Thibs went with a Brunson/Bridges/OG/Hart/KAT starting 5. In 2024, it makes the most sense.
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Moose wrote:Celts17Pride wrote:Moose wrote:
The regular season data says otherwise.
Did you watch last year's Knicks playoffs?Good Luck!
Oh man, you are really behind on this stuff. Tatum averaged more minutes than Brunson, as did Embiid and Maxey.
Also, again, you mean when everyone was injured? The Knicks were down to maybe 7 playable players in the playoffs.
https://www.espn.com/nba/stats/player/_/stat/minutes/season/2024/seasontype/3/players/5/table/general/sort/avgMinutes/dir/desc
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picking up a narrative from 5 years ago and still clinging on to it. its obvious troll or just room tempreture iq (speaking of celsius). not worth the energy.
im bout dat action boss
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hundreth wrote:Ceiling is higher, floor is lower for this Knicks team post KAT trade.
I think this is accurate. If it all comes together they could be really good. The chance of not really reaching expectations is relatively high though to me.
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JujitsuFlip wrote:Glad to see Thibs went with a Brunson/Bridges/OG/Hart/KAT starting 5. In 2024, it makes the most sense.
I’m not surprised Thibs tried it out…Thibs even gave Randle-Toppin looks a shot…but I don’t expect him to stick with it unless we come out of the gates like gangbusters.
Especially cause it’s not like Josh scares teams as a shooter. Sure he’s more likely to hit an open 3 than Achiuwa or Robinson, but that won’t stop his man from sagging off him.
So I don’t think our offense would lose nearly as much as our defense gained from freeing Towns & Anunoby of any rim protection responsibilities.
Capn'O wrote:We're the recovering meth addict older brother. And we've been clean for a few years now, thank you very much. Very uncouth to bring it up.
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NoStatsGuy wrote:Moose wrote:Celts17Pride wrote: Did you watch last year's Knicks playoffs?Good Luck!
Oh man, you are really behind on this stuff. Tatum averaged more minutes than Brunson, as did Embiid and Maxey.
Also, again, you mean when everyone was injured? The Knicks were down to maybe 7 playable players in the playoffs.
https://www.espn.com/nba/stats/player/_/stat/minutes/season/2024/seasontype/3/players/5/table/general/sort/avgMinutes/dir/desc
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dont bother with these guys on realgm. they dont actually watch the games or understand what they read in the boxscores.
picking up a narrative from 5 years ago and still clinging on to it. its obvious troll or just room tempreture iq (speaking of celsius). not worth the energy.
Knicks literally broke down last year in the playoffs because Thibs ran them into the ground. Don't have to go back 5 years.
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Celts17Pride wrote:NoStatsGuy wrote:Moose wrote:
Oh man, you are really behind on this stuff. Tatum averaged more minutes than Brunson, as did Embiid and Maxey.
Also, again, you mean when everyone was injured? The Knicks were down to maybe 7 playable players in the playoffs.
https://www.espn.com/nba/stats/player/_/stat/minutes/season/2024/seasontype/3/players/5/table/general/sort/avgMinutes/dir/desc
If you're going to be a troll, at least be better at it.
dont bother with these guys on realgm. they dont actually watch the games or understand what they read in the boxscores.
picking up a narrative from 5 years ago and still clinging on to it. its obvious troll or just room tempreture iq (speaking of celsius). not worth the energy.
Knicks literally broke down last year in the playoffs because Thibs ran them into the ground. Don't have to go back 5 years.
I want to say I admire your confidence to doubled down even though you know you’re out of your depth…but that wouldn’t really be true.
Capn'O wrote:We're the recovering meth addict older brother. And we've been clean for a few years now, thank you very much. Very uncouth to bring it up.
Brunson: So what are you paid to do?
Hart: Run around like an idiot during the game and f*** s*** up!
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Celts17Pride wrote:NoStatsGuy wrote:Moose wrote:
Oh man, you are really behind on this stuff. Tatum averaged more minutes than Brunson, as did Embiid and Maxey.
Also, again, you mean when everyone was injured? The Knicks were down to maybe 7 playable players in the playoffs.
https://www.espn.com/nba/stats/player/_/stat/minutes/season/2024/seasontype/3/players/5/table/general/sort/avgMinutes/dir/desc
If you're going to be a troll, at least be better at it.
dont bother with these guys on realgm. they dont actually watch the games or understand what they read in the boxscores.
picking up a narrative from 5 years ago and still clinging on to it. its obvious troll or just room tempreture iq (speaking of celsius). not worth the energy.
Knicks literally broke down last year in the playoffs because Thibs ran them into the ground. Don't have to go back 5 years.
Mitch - 19.2 min in 6 games. Taken out by Embiid.
Bojan - 12.8 min in 4 games. Taken out by Batum.
Hart - 42.2 min in 13 games. Taken out by hit to the ribs.
Brunson - 39.8 min in 13 games. Taken out by broken hand.
OG - 36 min in 9 games. Taken out by hamstring.
Only one of these injuries you can blame Thibs for and that’s OG. Other than that, nothing he could do about the rest.
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JujitsuFlip wrote:Glad to see Thibs went with a Brunson/Bridges/OG/Hart/KAT starting 5. In 2024, it makes the most sense.
Our defense looked terrible with KAT at the 5. The timberwolves knew this and thats why they got Gobert. We need mitch back badly.

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Knicks aren't contenders. There was maybe 4 healthy playoff teams last year. The concept of playing at full health in the modern NBA isn't really a thing and the Knicks will need league minimum guys to play big minutes in the playoffs to win.
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3toheadmelo wrote:JujitsuFlip wrote:Glad to see Thibs went with a Brunson/Bridges/OG/Hart/KAT starting 5. In 2024, it makes the most sense.
Our defense looked terrible with KAT at the 5. The timberwolves knew this and thats why they got Gobert. We need mitch back badly.



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cgf wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:JujitsuFlip wrote:Glad to see Thibs went with a Brunson/Bridges/OG/Hart/KAT starting 5. In 2024, it makes the most sense.
Our defense looked terrible with KAT at the 5. The timberwolves knew this and thats why they got Gobert. We need mitch back badly.
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Not much of a mitch fan but this kat experiement wont work without him

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3toheadmelo wrote:cgf wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:Our defense looked terrible with KAT at the 5. The timberwolves knew this and thats why they got Gobert. We need mitch back badly.
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Not much of a mitch fan but this kat experiement wont work without him
I think we’ll see Precious starting over Josh sooner or later for that reason. Just had to give you a bit of schtick for praising Mitch

Capn'O wrote:We're the recovering meth addict older brother. And we've been clean for a few years now, thank you very much. Very uncouth to bring it up.
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