Nets Trying To Get Billups And RIP Along With Anthony

[Bucksfans1and2]

we have been quoted numerous times to saying we dont want to gut the team for one guy. so i am guessing we are holding people back.

Or the Nuggets just don't want anything the Knicks have.

Nuggets want:
1. Cap relief
2. Draft picks
3. Young players

Knicks can give them 1/3, Nets can give 3/3.

1. Eddy Curry (80% of Contract already paid)+Azabukie (80% covered by Insurance now).
2. AR can be flipped into a 1st(s), and NY has its 2014 Pick.
3. Chandler >>>>>>>>>>> Anything young the Nest can offer. NY can also Trade Gallo and/or Fields.

Your were saying?

--Mags

Now I have no dog in this fight, but it would seem to me that the Nets would have a better offer.

1. I doubt Denver really cares all that much about the insurance. In this deal the Nets would just agree to pay most of Murphy and Sasha's contract and the expirings would be the same.

2. Hypothetically speaking lets say that Magic Randolph can be swapped for a 1st. I doubt it would be for a lottery pick like the NEts have. As for the 2014 pick, that's too far away to have much value.

3. I would say that Favors/Harris is a better offer than Gallo/Chandler. That's just me though.

[Prot9]

1. Eddy Curry (80% of Contract already paid)+Azabukie (80% covered by Insurance now).
2. AR can be flipped into a 1st(s), and NY has its 2014 Pick.
3. Chandler >>>>>>>>>>> Anything young the Nest can offer. NY can also Trade Gallo and/or Fields.

Your were saying?

--Mags

1. Murphy, Vujacic, Humphries, Ross, Graham, Uzoh
2. Stating opinion as fact doesn't fly. They do have the 2014 pick, but Nets have 5 first rounders before that pick happens. What's more valuable?
3. So Chandler > Harris, Favors, Morrow, D. James? That's irrational.

[kombayn]

Now they want them to take Al Harrington. If I'm the Nets, I easily do the deal. It's not often you get a chance at a superstar and if they get Carmelo, the Brooklyn move to Barclays Center will make this much easier for them to market the arena and team. I'm assuming if Harrington was involved then Travis Outlaw would have to be shipped out as part of the package.

[M.Balla]

1. Eddy Curry (80% of Contract already paid)+Azabukie (80% covered by Insurance now).
2. AR can be flipped into a 1st(s), and NY has its 2014 Pick.
3. Chandler >>>>>>>>>>> Anything young the Nest can offer. NY can also Trade Gallo and/or Fields.

Your were saying?

--Mags

1st(s) for Randolph? "(s)" like in plural? Right now, market price shouldn't be better than a late late first for him.

And do the ">>>>>>>>>>>" next to Chandler's name mean "straight to free agency"? Favors, 3rd pick overall, big man, the youngest player in the League. Great prospect. It might not pan out but...

[Prot9]

Mags you have just been tearing people up left and right in this thread.

Saying Wilson Chandler > Harris, Favors, Morrow, and D James is tearing people up? Man, I've lost my mind,

[kombayn]

Knicks trade Randolph to Minnesota for a heavily protected 1st, then they put Gallinari, Chandler, Curry & the 1st together to bring in Carmelo Anthony. I would take Gallinari and Chandler if I'm the Nuggets, they could still compete in the West and not lose Billiups and his cheap termination contract.

PG - Billiups/Lawson
SG - Affalo/Smith
SF - Gallinari/Balkman
PF - Martin/Chandler
C - Nene/Andersen

[magnumt]

Mags you have just been tearing people up left and right in this thread.

Thanks.

in what world does free agent to be wilson chandler have more value than #3 overall pick derrick favors?

The one which you're not a Knick hater.

yea I dont see that either, sure Wilson is better player now but he's due for a fat pay day, something I doubt Den would want to do, with favours you still have a few years with him at the rookie scale.

Yet they're taking on Harris' Contract. Riiiiiiiiiiiiight.

Wilson is only 22/23 for those that don't know. Heck 2nd Rounder Landry Fields has outplayed Favors, the #3 overall Pick, and he's cheaper.

What excuse is there for that (Fields) then?

--Mags

[incontrol__]

Mags you have just been tearing people up left and right in this thread.

Sarcasm?

[DaFan334]

Knick hater or just realistic...

[dockingsched]

only a knicks hater thinks favors is worth more than chandler...riiiiiight.

[kombayn]

The pieces the Knicks can put together is Landry Fields, Danilo Gallinari & Wilson Chandler while sending Randolph to a team for a Future 1st Round Pick. I think the Nuggets would have to look at it compared to New Jersey's package. I think the Nuggets leak out the information and whatever other teams who are trying to get 'Melo have to at least be interested in upping their package. If the Nuggets wanted the package the Nets are giving them so badly, they would've pulled the trigger already on the deal since it was originally Murphy, Favors, 2 Future 1st's for Carmelo.

[BrooklynSwag]

Or the Nuggets just don't want anything the Knicks have.

Nuggets want:
1. Cap relief
2. Draft picks
3. Young players

Knicks can give them 1/3, Nets can give 3/3.

mags basically covered this. We can offer them more cap relief, better young players and some draft picks also.

[elbowthrower]

Up to the Harrington part, I still think Harris, Favors, Morrow, throw-ins and 2 or 3 picks is a very good deal for the Nets.

Quality > quantity and unfortunately for Denver those picks could very possibly end up being the next Julius Hodge or Linas Kleiza.

Favors is still very raw. Odds of him turning out to be another Duncan or even Al Jefferson are slim. And by the time he develops, if he does, his rookie deal will be over and Denver will have to cough up some major cash to keep him.

The Nets are getting the proverbial bird in the hand, a proven scorer and clutch player who by himself will get them another 5-10 wins. They're getting a huge marketing vehicle. AND they're preventing the Knicks from getting him.

I can see why their owner is hell bent on making this deal.

[BrooklynSwag]

LOL wow every source right now says the nuggets have no interest in the Knicks amazing talent.

If what you were saying was true a deal with NY would be being discussed right now. Nobody overrates their roster more than KNick fans.

please look at the nets talent and what they are doing compared to the knicks. then consider that we are a winning team. now please think.

[BrooklynSwag]

Now I have no dog in this fight, but it would seem to me that the Nets would have a better offer.

1. I doubt Denver really cares all that much about the insurance. In this deal the Nets would just agree to pay most of Murphy and Sasha's contract and the expirings would be the same.

2. Hypothetically speaking lets say that Magic Randolph can be swapped for a 1st. I doubt it would be for a lottery pick like the NEts have. As for the 2014 pick, that's too far away to have much value.

3. I would say that Favors/Harris is a better offer than Gallo/Chandler. That's just me though.

1. His argument was the Knicks cant offer more than one, we can offer MORE cap relief so that was debunked.

2. lottery picks like? the warriors is protected.

3. heck no. harris always gets hurt. favors only offense is a dunk.

[SpeedyG]

Up to the Harrington part, I still think Harris, Favors, Morrow, throw-ins and 2 or 3 picks is a very good deal for the Nets.

Quality > quantity and unfortunately for Denver those picks could very possibly end up being the next Julius Hodge or Linas Kleiza.

Favors is still very raw. Odds of him turning out to be another Duncan or even Al Jefferson are slim. And by the time he develops, if he does, his rookie deal will be over and Denver will have to cough up some major cash to keep him.

The Nets are getting the proverbial bird in the hand, a proven scorer and clutch player who by himself will get them another 5-10 wins. They're getting a huge marketing vehicle. AND they're preventing the Knicks from getting him.

I can see why their owner is hell bent on making this deal.

So the Nets would win 30 games (assuming they win 21 of their remaining games with Melo) with no real way of improving themselves (since they've gotten rid of every high valued asset they have) while saddling their team with bad contracts in order to appease the Nuggets' demand.

Yeah, that's a way to build the franchise.

The only reason the Nets should be giving up all of these assets is if they believe there's going to be some "hush-hush" deal going on that would land them Paul in the future.

Otherwise, this deal really makes no sense to them from a basketball stand point.

Marketing? Maybe, but from a pure basketball standpoint? No freakin way.

[KnicksGadfly]

LOL wow every source right now says the nuggets have no interest in the Knicks amazing talent.

If what you were saying was true a deal with NY would be being discussed right now. Nobody overrates their roster more than KNick fans.

please look at the nets talent and what they are doing compared to the knicks. then consider that we are a winning team. now please think.

They want the Nets first round pick. Even in a weak draft, the fact that the Nets first round draft pick might strike gold and be number 1 is still a big incentive. It's also a quick way to rebuild. Add to Favors and Lawson, and the Nuggets might quickly become one of the more exciting young teams in the NBA if they play their cards right. The Knicks package might be more better right now in terms of talent, you can't really build around those guys. It's up to Melo now. Does he want New York, or does he want the security/money?

[BrooklynSwag]

1. Murphy, Vujacic, Humphries, Ross, Graham, Uzoh
2. Stating opinion as fact doesn't fly. They do have the 2014 pick, but Nets have 5 first rounders before that pick happens. What's more valuable?
3. So Chandler > Harris, Favors, Morrow, D. James? That's irrational.

1. none are insured. more savings from ny.

2. AR can get a 1st round pick. Its not opinion its a fact. 5 first but only willing to give 2.

3. Any young player not every young player. lol.

[elbowthrower]

Now I have no dog in this fight, but it would seem to me that the Nets would have a better offer.

1. I doubt Denver really cares all that much about the insurance. In this deal the Nets would just agree to pay most of Murphy and Sasha's contract and the expirings would be the same.

2. Hypothetically speaking lets say that Magic Randolph can be swapped for a 1st. I doubt it would be for a lottery pick like the NEts have. As for the 2014 pick, that's too far away to have much value.

3. I would say that Favors/Harris is a better offer than Gallo/Chandler. That's just me though.

1. His argument was the Knicks cant offer more than one, we can offer MORE cap relief so that was debunked.

2. lottery picks like? the warriors is protected.

3. heck no. harris always gets hurt. favors only offense is a dunk.

Don't know about 1) but what makes anyone think that Randolph will necessarily get the Knicks a decent draft pick? Everything I've read is that that guy isn't working out all that well. Seems like the best you can get right now is a good team taking a chance on him and that means a bad 1st rounder.

And you're talking about Harris being hurt in the same sentence as Gallo? And Chandler's going to eat up some of that cap space if the Nugs chose to re-sign him.

[BrooklynSwag]

They want the Nets first round pick. Even in a weak draft, the fact that the Nets first round draft pick might strike gold and be number 1 is still a big incentive. It's also a quick way to rebuild. Add to Favors and Lawson, and the Nuggets might quickly become one of the more exciting young teams in the NBA if they play their cards right. The Knicks package might be more better right now in terms of talent, you can't really build around those guys. It's up to Melo now. Does he want New York, or does he want the security/money?

Except if the get Melo they are not a lottery team anymore. And can you say you can build a team with Favors as a main piece but not Gallo or Chandler?