NBAPA Lawyer: Double standard exists regarding age limit for black basketball players and white athletes in other sports

[Neutral 123]

Let me say it again. The issue with Al that folks like yourself have is that he speaks out on racial injustice. That is what precipitates the dislike, the insults and the attempts to discredit him. I don't know him personally, although he seems like an incredible person. His issues are not a concern of mine. He is doing good work, work for humanity, God's work. That is true, that is invaluable work, regardless of what personal failings he has, or can be made up to discredit him.

Serious question: is there anywhere in America where racial injustice doesn't exist?

Every measure of wealth, health, and general well being has blacks behind, and behind by a large margin. I can't answer your question, but the status quo doesn't cut it in general.

[ceremony816]

Again, racists don't card that he 'highjacked' a funeral. They hate that he speaks out on racial injustice. Rallying support for racial injustice isn't race baiting, its necessary to gain attention and uncover the inevitable cover up.

Would a freedom fighter have;

- Created a hysteria that ultimately got a innocent student murdered?
- Led an anti-Semitic march?
- Lie about a woman being raped and accuse innocent people?
- Refer to white people as "crackers" and gay men as "homos"
- Sponsor predatory loans?
- Be a paid government informant?
- Evade his taxes?

Can you actually refute these facts or will you continue talking out of pure ignorance?

Let me say it again. The issue with Al that folks like yourself have is that he speaks out on racial injustice. That is what precipitates the dislike, the insults and the attempts to discredit him. I don't know him personally, although he seems like an incredible person. His issues are not a concern of mine. He is doing good work, work for humanity, God's work. That is true, that is invaluable work, regardless of what personal failings he has, or can be made up to discredit him.

'Folks like ourselves' don't have an issue with him speaking out on matters that are actually related to race discrimination. But there are times when he does appear to be conjuring up racial issues out of the ether, and that's what 'folks like ourselves' have issues with.

Same deal with the 'age limit = racism' talk. The age limit discussion has been beaten to death for a while now and nothing has been done about it.....yet. Now we have a lawyer who claims that it is a racist practice, and it is getting a TON of attention as a result. See how that works?

IMO it is wrong to use a very real issue that has no place in an NBA age limit discussion in order to get people talking.

[MotownMadness]

Let me say it again. The issue with Al that folks like yourself have is that he speaks out on racial injustice. That is what precipitates the dislike, the insults and the attempts to discredit him. I don't know him personally, although he seems like an incredible person. His issues are not a concern of mine. He is doing good work, work for humanity, God's work. That is true, that is invaluable work, regardless of what personal failings he has, or can be made up to discredit him.

Serious question: is there anywhere in America where racial injustice doesn't exist?

Every measure of wealth, health, and general well being has blacks behind, and behind by a large margin. I can't answer your question, but the status quo doesn't cut it in general.

Maybe because only 13% of he county is black . Why would you expect that number not to be one sided.

[Neutral 123]

Serious question: is there anywhere in America where racial injustice doesn't exist?

Every measure of wealth, health, and general well being has blacks behind, and behind by a large margin. I can't answer your question, but the status quo doesn't cut it in general.

Maybe because only 13% of he county is black . Why would you expect that number not to be one sided.

Youre letting me down.

[Neutral 123]

Would a freedom fighter have;

- Created a hysteria that ultimately got a innocent student murdered?
- Led an anti-Semitic march?
- Lie about a woman being raped and accuse innocent people?
- Refer to white people as "crackers" and gay men as "homos"
- Sponsor predatory loans?
- Be a paid government informant?
- Evade his taxes?

Can you actually refute these facts or will you continue talking out of pure ignorance?

Let me say it again. The issue with Al that folks like yourself have is that he speaks out on racial injustice. That is what precipitates the dislike, the insults and the attempts to discredit him. I don't know him personally, although he seems like an incredible person. His issues are not a concern of mine. He is doing good work, work for humanity, God's work. That is true, that is invaluable work, regardless of what personal failings he has, or can be made up to discredit him.

'Folks like ourselves' don't have an issue with him speaking out on matters that are actually related to race discrimination. But there are times when he does appear to be conjuring up racial issues out of the ether, and that's what 'folks like ourselves' have issues with.

Same deal with the 'age limit = racism' talk. The age limit discussion has been beaten to death for a while now and nothing has been done about it.....yet. Now we have a lawyer who claims that it is a racist practice, and it is getting a TON of attention as a result. See how that works?

IMO it is wrong to use a very real issue that has no place in an NBA age limit discussion in order to get people talking.

For a lot of folks, nothing is a race issue. Trayvon Martin Had nothing to do with race, Ferguson has nothing to do with race. I'm not familiar with all of Al's dealings, but certainly the issues I'm familiar with, involving him, without question are related to race.

[MotownMadness]

Every measure of wealth, health, and general well being has blacks behind, and behind by a large margin. I can't answer your question, but the status quo doesn't cut it in general.

Maybe because only 13% of he county is black . Why would you expect that number not to be one sided.

Youre letting me down.

Explain, should they just be handed these jobs or money to make it equal. Is that not segregation in itself? Or is that ok because it's just putting you're race on a higher standard from the others? And I'm not letting you down, in fact I think you're exactly the type of scum that currently represents what is wrong with this society.

[Pointgod]

Maybe because only 13% of he county is black . Why would you expect that number not to be one sided.

Youre letting me down.

Explain, should they just be handed these jobs or money to make it equal. Is that not segregation in itself? Or is that ok because it's just putting you're race on a higher standard from the others? And I'm not letting you down, in fact I think you're exactly the type of scum that currently represents what is wrong with this society.

Wow you're a moron.

[Neutral 123]

Maybe because only 13% of he county is black . Why would you expect that number not to be one sided.

Youre letting me down.

Explain, should they just be handed these jobs or money to make it equal. Is that not segregation in itself? Or is that ok because it's just putting you're race on a higher standard from the others?

I don't know, it might be time for a new new deal. The same welfare deal that created the white middle class in the 30's could be recreated with the idea of stemming the overall tide of wealth inequality.

[MotownMadness]

Youre letting me down.

Explain, should they just be handed these jobs or money to make it equal. Is that not segregation in itself? Or is that ok because it's just putting you're race on a higher standard from the others? And I'm not letting you down, in fact I think you're exactly the type of scum that currently represents what is wrong with this society.

Wow you're a moron.

Explain

[MotownMadness]

Youre letting me down.

Explain, should they just be handed these jobs or money to make it equal. Is that not segregation in itself? Or is that ok because it's just putting you're race on a higher standard from the others?

I don't know, it might be time for a new new deal. The same welfare deal that created the white middle class in the 30's could be recreated with the idea of stemming the overall tide of wealth inequality.

The whole welfare system is broken and has become a way of life and not a second chance.

[DemoleDemolezan]

Again, racists don't card that he 'highjacked' a funeral. They hate that he speaks out on racial injustice. Rallying support for racial injustice isn't race baiting, its necessary to gain attention and uncover the inevitable cover up.

Would a freedom fighter have;

- Created a hysteria that ultimately got a innocent student murdered?
- Led an anti-Semitic march?
- Lie about a woman being raped and accuse innocent people?
- Refer to white people as "crackers" and gay men as "homos"
- Sponsor predatory loans?
- Be a paid government informant?
- Evade his taxes?

Can you actually refute these facts or will you continue talking out of pure ignorance?

Let me say it again. The issue with Al that folks like yourself have is that he speaks out on racial injustice. That is what precipitates the dislike, the insults and the attempts to discredit him. I don't know him personally, although he seems like an incredible person. His issues are not a concern of mine. He is doing good work, work for humanity, God's work. That is true, that is invaluable work, regardless of what personal failings he has, or can be made up to discredit him.

You're an idiot and borderline delusional. Who are folks like myself? Do you know what race, nationality or religion I am? Your thinking is so rudimentary that you actually believe that there can only be a single reason why people of all ages, colour and creed would dislike such a controversial figure.
None of those things are made up. And I would venture to say that being a homophobic, racist cheat are pretty big failings to overcome. But keep deluding yourself that black,white and old and young dislike Sharpton because they are all "racist folks".

[MotownMadness]

Youre letting me down.

Explain, should they just be handed these jobs or money to make it equal. Is that not segregation in itself? Or is that ok because it's just putting you're race on a higher standard from the others? And I'm not letting you down, in fact I think you're exactly the type of scum that currently represents what is wrong with this society.

Wow you're a moron.

I gave you a And1 as well to make it look you brought up a good point

[Neutral 123]

Explain, should they just be handed these jobs or money to make it equal. Is that not segregation in itself? Or is that ok because it's just putting you're race on a higher standard from the others?

I don't know, it might be time for a new new deal. The same welfare deal that created the white middle class in the 30's could be recreated with the idea of stemming the overall tide of wealth inequality.

The whole welfare system is broken and has become a way of life and not a second chance.

What is needed is more investment in programs to effect change. Like I said, a new New Deal. It proved that most whites are not dregs, and it would do the same for those who are currently trapped in poverty.

[MotownMadness]

I don't know, it might be time for a new new deal. The same welfare deal that created the white middle class in the 30's could be recreated with the idea of stemming the overall tide of wealth inequality.

The whole welfare system is broken and has become a way of life and not a second chance.

What is needed is more investment in programs to effect change. Like I said, a new New Deal. It proved that most whites are not dregs, and it would do the same for those who are currently trapped in poverty.

The problem is most people (not just blacks) in our current times view as a way of life so they don't have to work.

[Neutral 123]

Would a freedom fighter have;

- Created a hysteria that ultimately got a innocent student murdered?
- Led an anti-Semitic march?
- Lie about a woman being raped and accuse innocent people?
- Refer to white people as "crackers" and gay men as "homos"
- Sponsor predatory loans?
- Be a paid government informant?
- Evade his taxes?

Can you actually refute these facts or will you continue talking out of pure ignorance?

Let me say it again. The issue with Al that folks like yourself have is that he speaks out on racial injustice. That is what precipitates the dislike, the insults and the attempts to discredit him. I don't know him personally, although he seems like an incredible person. His issues are not a concern of mine. He is doing good work, work for humanity, God's work. That is true, that is invaluable work, regardless of what personal failings he has, or can be made up to discredit him.

You're an idiot and borderline delusional. Who are folks like myself? Do you know what race, nationality or religion I am? Your thinking is so rudimentary that you actually believe that there can only be a single reason why people of all ages, colour and creed would dislike such a controversial figure.
None of those things are made up. And I would venture to say that being a homophobic, racist cheat are pretty big failings to overcome. But keep deluding yourself that black,white and old and young dislike Sharpton because they are all "racist folks".

Who knows if they are all racist. The common attack against Al is that his is a 'race baiter', not that he mishandled a funeral, or called someone a 'homo'. Yes, that stuff might be in poor taste if true, but the issue here is that he is a voice for racial oppression, and a lot of people don't like that.

[Lionlifer]

Youre letting me down.

Explain, should they just be handed these jobs or money to make it equal. Is that not segregation in itself? Or is that ok because it's just putting you're race on a higher standard from the others?

I don't know, it might be time for a new new deal. The same welfare deal that created the white middle class in the 30's could be recreated with the idea of stemming the overall tide of wealth inequality.

I could be wrong here, but weren't the welfare deals during the 30's more about keeping people afloat during the great depression? I thought most of what we know as the "middle class"" was created post WW2, when we were helping to rebuild Europe. The real shame here is that the country was very much segregated at that time and most minorities didn't benefit to the same extent that white people did.

[Neutral 123]

The whole welfare system is broken and has become a way of life and not a second chance.

What is needed is more investment in programs to effect change. Like I said, a new New Deal. It proved that most whites are not dregs, and it would do the same for those who are currently trapped in poverty.

The problem is most people (not just blacks) in our current times view as a way of life so they don't have to work.

And I'm sure a lot of wealthy felt the same way before a massive government welfare program created the white middle class. America is better for that welfare to whites, and it will be even better when the government finally moves to help the huge swaths of people left behind, and those falling from where they once were.

[Neutral 123]

Explain, should they just be handed these jobs or money to make it equal. Is that not segregation in itself? Or is that ok because it's just putting you're race on a higher standard from the others?

I don't know, it might be time for a new new deal. The same welfare deal that created the white middle class in the 30's could be recreated with the idea of stemming the overall tide of wealth inequality.

I could be wrong here, but weren't the welfare deals during the 30's more about keeping people afloat during the great depression? I thought most of what we know as the "middle class"" was created post WW2, when we were helping to rebuild Europe. The real shame here is that the country was very much segregated at that time and most minorities didn't benefit to the same extent that white people did.

Blacks didn't benefit because they were explicitly and implicitly excluded. That was by design. So its time to make the effort, to bring even more out of poverty instead of pretending that what is going on now, īs attempting to so that. It can be done, but burying for good chance racist beliefs, beliefs related to class must end. The New Deal was about spreading the wealth, and allowing many poor whites to climb out of poverty.

[MotownMadness]

What is needed is more investment in programs to effect change. Like I said, a new New Deal. It proved that most whites are not dregs, and it would do the same for those who are currently trapped in poverty.

The problem is most people (not just blacks) in our current times view as a way of life so they don't have to work.

And I'm sure a lot of wealthy felt the same way before a massive government welfare program created the white middle class. America is better for that welfare to whites, and it will be even better when the government finally moves to help the huge swaths of people left behind, and those falling from where they once were.

I doubt it, the country has never been this bad as it has been since Obama took office. Reagen predicted this collapse along time ago. The country is now in a 18 trillion dollar deficit and printing fake money that doesn't even hold as much value as the ink it's printed with just creates a deeper hole. For example most of us lower class folks don't want to see buisnesses get tax breaks and such. But people as a whole are too dumb too see the big picture that a buisness can't pay taxes and only people can pay taxes, You and I. Which rest assured we would pay for those taxes through inflation.

[Johnlac1]

Well we can agree to disagree on whether its a loophole. It can only be legal in this framework of contract between union and NBA. Personally, I don't think it should be allowable either way. It was negotiated, but a concession on the part of the union, and one that the union swallowed, at least in part, because the idea that these young black men don't need to be making so much money so soon, or preferably at all, that these young men need to go to college, need to be protected by taking wealth from them, is a pretty old and established attitude in the U.S.

The NBA is exploiting America's racism for their own gains. It's a double standard, and one that exists because of racism.

But, again, many things would be illegal if not for the existence of a contract. That's what a contract is, something that creates additional legal obligations where otherwise they wouldn't exist. Under normal circumstances, you can't make me give you my car. But if we sign a contract that says, as part of the contract, that I have to give you my car, you can.

I'm just bothered by the way the lawyer in the OP, and now you, are acting like this was some sort of clandestine and underhanded move on the part of the league. This was a extremely simple provision openly negotiated with probably the richest union in the world less than a decade ago.

The NBAPA seems to want to absolve themselves of all blame here, like they weren't sophisticated actors and got taken advantage of by the big bad owners or something (Which raises its own set of questions) when in reality they gave up something in a fair negotiation and now they want it back. And that's wrong IMO.

Age discrimination is illegal, selling your car is not. But to your main point, my contention is the NBA is exploiting racism with this age rule. We've heard this paternal rhetoric for years from Stern himself. The idea that blacks need to concentrate on just being better people and not worry about equal treatment, equal pay. I'd wager, the union, given the current climate sees an opportunity to fight on this point, whereas before, given the climate, it was a fight too much to overcome. But that doesn't change the sentiment. This age rule at the very least, more easily exists, because withholding and taking wealth out of black hands, is perfectly acceptable and is a founding tenet of America.

"taking wealth out of black hands"........tell, me how much does the average NBA player, 80% whom are black, make annually?