2017 Isaiah Thomas is better than any version of Iverson.

[papidulo]

If Isaiah Thomas had to deal with the handchecking AI did, he wouldn't be a starter.

If you give Iverson Avery Bradley for Eric Snow, Al Horford for Derrick Coleman, and Jae Crowder for Aaron Mckie, AI may have a ring.

The celts would be lucky to beat the Wizards in 7

Against the 01 Lakers almost nobody would have a ring. Also IT does have to deal with handchecking. It's a myth that it's banned. I see it 100 times a game and refs almost never call it.

Not to the same degree though. Most of Isaiah Thomas's points come from his ability to draw fouls and make free throws. Alot of foul calls that he gets, wouldnt have been afforded to him in 2001. He beats his defender, and jumps back into them on his lay-ups to get fouls. I dont think IT's style is rugged enough to have been as effective in AI's time.

[DusterBuster]

Different rules.

[AdotSmoove]

I don't understand why mentally you guys have a huge issue separating a 1 season comparison from body of work or career standing. NOBODY arguing for IT is comparing ANYONE career wise, legacy wise or even saying IT is a better player generally speaking.

This isn't entirely true. You compared one season of IT to another players entire career. So to say that career is not part of the discussion is wrong. Iverson's entire career is part of the discussion. You literally said this IT season, which is his peak so far, is better than any season of Iverson's, which is implying that IT's peak is superior to Iversons. I'm not sure about others, but I haven't actually used the straw man of accusing anyone of comparing legacy's or IT's career vs Iverson's career. I've strictly kept my focus on this one season for IT.

Not trying to continue discussion and I'm really done posting after this one. Just had to clarify that.

I'm using 1 peak season each. Career OUTSIDE of that 1 season each should be entirely left out and not weighed. So yes, you're correct in that respect. Peak season vs peak season IT had the better year.

If that's the case, IT has to make the finals. IT's whole argument is about efficiency making him better than AI, which is reasonable. I would argue that if we are restricting comparisons to single season vs. single season then playoff runs have to be considered especially when both players lead through volume scoring. IT runs an efficient pick and roll game all game long. AI was an inefficient chucker that ran ISO all game long.

Forget era, rule changes, stats and legacy. The question to me is which player took their respective team further than it was supposed to go. The East was weak in 01 and its weak now. The Celtics shouldn't win the conference title but if they do it is because IT made it happen. At that point I believe IT will have brought the Celtics further than they were supposed to go, but until then it's all just window dressing.




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[Daddy 801]

I was watching basketball back when Iverson was playing but not nearly with the same level of attention I do now. So I can't really say for sure, but I believe Iverson usually had a C and PF clogging the lane. I say this because IT is the beneficiary of playing with Horford who creates a five out style and allows IT to be more efficient. Just look at this season to years past to compare. I believe AI would also have benefitted greatly from such a system. How much and to what degree is impossible to say. But AI with an open lane surely would have been much more efficient.

I am not trying to take away from IT. I think he is a fantastic player. But systems matter.

[True Story]

Ah, here it is.

[XtremeDunkz]

Nahhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[OkcSinceSGA]

Ah, here it is.

The thread was based on regular season. One knee-jerk reaction to a playoff game doesn't change a thing. Would you like me to post some of Iverson's stat lines from the 2001 playoffs? Your attempt to make an argument crashed and burned before it got started.

[True Story]

Ah, here it is.

The thread was based on regular season. One knee-jerk reaction to a playoff game doesn't change a thing. Would you like me to post some of Iverson's stat lines from the 2001 playoffs? Your attempt to make an argument crashed and burned before it got started.

They got blown out by a Cavs team that shot horrifically from 3.

Educate yourself and memorize my signature.

[Green89]

Ah, here it is.

The thread was based on regular season. One knee-jerk reaction to a playoff game doesn't change a thing. Would you like me to post some of Iverson's stat lines from the 2001 playoffs? Your attempt to make an argument crashed and burned before it got started.

They got blown out by a Cavs team that shot horrifically from 3.

Educate yourself and memorize my signature.

So which Iverson 2001 ECF game was his better outing? His 5/26 game or his 5/27 game?

[Hipster Doofus]

lol Isaiah couldn't even polish AI's shoes, let alone be better than him

[True Story]

The thread was based on regular season. One knee-jerk reaction to a playoff game doesn't change a thing. Would you like me to post some of Iverson's stat lines from the 2001 playoffs? Your attempt to make an argument crashed and burned before it got started.

They got blown out by a Cavs team that shot horrifically from 3.

Educate yourself and memorize my signature.

So which Iverson 2001 ECF game was his better outing? His 5/26 game or his 5/27 game?

If the C's offer IT the max, is he worth it?

[Black Jack]

lol Isaiah couldn't even polish AI's shoes, let alone be better than him

I don't know about that. AI was more physical but Thomas is a WAY better shooter. His ability to cross people up and then drain a three in their face is pretty amazing. I also feel like he's more likely to share the ball whereas AI absolutely refused to let teammates score. They had to let a few guys go and build a defensive team around his ball domination.

[Green89]

They got blown out by a Cavs team that shot horrifically from 3.

Educate yourself and memorize my signature.

So which Iverson 2001 ECF game was his better outing? His 5/26 game or his 5/27 game?

If the C's offer IT the max, is he worth it?

Yes. Look what he's done without a legit #2 scorer to offset some of the load, and make other team's defenses be very concerned about. Pair him with another lights out scorer and the team becomes all the more lethal on offense. Stevens is going to be forced to play Gerald Green the rest of the Cavs series, simply because we have to have someone else on the floor with him who can create his own shot. We're not going to win on kick outs to spot up shooters when IT gets trapped, especially when they can't hit said shots like tonight. Think how much better he becomes if we had another shot creator.

[Trippinskarlo]

Ah, here it is.

The thread was based on regular season. One knee-jerk reaction to a playoff game doesn't change a thing. Would you like me to post some of Iverson's stat lines from the 2001 playoffs? Your attempt to make an argument crashed and burned before it got started.

They got blown out by a Cavs team that shot horrifically from 3.

Educate yourself and memorize my signature.

Pick any season from iversons career and we will go throu the numbers. You will be embarrassed you bumped this.

[OkcSinceSGA]

Ah, here it is.

The thread was based on regular season. One knee-jerk reaction to a playoff game doesn't change a thing. Would you like me to post some of Iverson's stat lines from the 2001 playoffs? Your attempt to make an argument crashed and burned before it got started.

They got blown out by a Cavs team that shot horrifically from 3.

Educate yourself and memorize my signature.

They got destroyed by a superior team who's frontcourt put up literally 100 points and 30 rebounds. When you do that, you can shoot 0-20 from 3 and still crush someone. LeBron has a chance to go down as the GOAT still. Nobody expects Celtics to win. It doesn't change the body of work in regular season I stated about 10 times I was going off of.

[OkcSinceSGA]

The thread was based on regular season. One knee-jerk reaction to a playoff game doesn't change a thing. Would you like me to post some of Iverson's stat lines from the 2001 playoffs? Your attempt to make an argument crashed and burned before it got started.

They got blown out by a Cavs team that shot horrifically from 3.

Educate yourself and memorize my signature.

Pick any season from iversons career and we will go throu the numbers. You will be embarrassed you bumped this.

These guys won't do that lol. They've dodged evidence and data the entire thread.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Anyone who disagrees can fight me with actual data and evidence. I'm addressing this because I see people constantly pissing on IT while Iverson is on some nostalgic pedestal and it annoys me. Both were mediocre defenders who got steals in the passing lanes but not much else (although Iverson was better defensively). Isaiah's efficiency on offense more than makes up for PG defense.

"But defense!" People need to realize PG defense was never a huge thing. Sure, big PG's like Gary Payton, Jason Kidd, Dennis Johnson who also guarded 2s and 3s. But most other hall of fame PG's didn't play a lick of defense. Stop being hypocritical.

What an OP!

Doesn't matter if I agree or disagree.

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[OkcSinceSGA]

IT was too passive. Bad night, still only attempted 19 shots, had 10 assists. Iverson's shot was off and he's STILL putting up 30 shots and not getting guys involved. IT had a bad game, it happens.

[Mulhollanddrive]

Iverson's 2 highest O-Ratings 115, 111.

Thomas this season 122.

7 points on a team O-Rating basis seperates team 5th and 25th.

[SelfishPlayer]

Compare Iverson's career playoffs stats to Isaiah Thomas's then put some respek on AI's name.