Woj: DLo to Minny for Wiggins

[Soca]

Dallas* not Denver

They wanted Memphis to take back Courtney Lee's contract so I'm assuming that was the exact request this past summer.

Dallas could've still taken in Iggy's contract no issue

Memphis essentially held onto Iggy for half a year and got Justise Winslow and a 2024 1st for it...the Warriors got robbed, pointblank. they knew Myers was in a tough spot and milked him and he let it happen.

That's doesn't mean they were willing without sending salary or getting a pick back.

[clyde21]

They wanted Memphis to take back Courtney Lee's contract so I'm assuming that was the exact request this past summer.

Dallas could've still taken in Iggy's contract no issue

Memphis essentially held onto Iggy for half a year and got Justise Winslow and a 2024 1st for it...the Warriors got robbed, pointblank. they knew Myers was in a tough spot and milked him and he let it happen.

That's doesn't mean they were willing without sending salary or getting a pick back.

then don't do the trade, that's part of the negotiation. either they take Iggy, who is an asset all to himself essentially for free, or walk away. the idea that we NEEDED to give Dlo 30mil a pop is nonsensical.

we ended up essentially trading Justise Winslow/2024 FRP for Wiggins/2021 FRP...Myers got his clock cleaned.

[Vampirate]

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Did Russel piss off his teammates or something?

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I'm scratching my head about the idea of acquiring a max salary guy who isn't expected to be a star.

The Kerr quote makes perfect sense to me given that Wiggins is on the roster -- but why again was he added to the roster at that salary??

[clyde21]

Denver did not have 17 mil in cap space or a trade exception that large to absorb Iguodala's contract last summer. That wouldn't have worked.

Dallas* not Denver

Or Myers could've just not done the sign and trade to get DLO and held onto Iggy and the 1st round pick and traded him at the deadline. Iggy by himself returned a better return than DLO got.

I didn't like the idea of attaching a 1st round with Iggy to get rid of him, but I thought in the long haul it would be worth it because GS would flip DLO and picks for a good asset. But flipping DLO for one of the worst contracts in all of basketball? Ya I would've much preferred Myers held onto Iggy and let KD walk. Then flip Iggy for an asset at the deadline, since it appears Iggy gets as good of a return as DLO got.

yea, the entire thing didn't need to happen anyways, DLo was always a terrible fit and was always going to get overpaid...to trade Iggy and a 1st rounder just to sign Dlo to that insane contract was nonsensical from the beginning.

let alone that he unloaded a 1st to to move Iggy who himself was a + asset onto himself.

[AbeVigodaLive]

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Did Russel piss off his teammates or something?

A difference of opinion between what the front office wanted and what the coaches wanted?

Everybody knew they didn't nab him to keep him long-term. What was the benefit for Russell to sign there instead of Minnesota? I know MN had to move some furniture... but was the money the same?

Because Russell had to have known he was gonna be moved. And he was... and now his team has fewer good teammates/assets for him. (Fast forward to three years when Russell complains without any self-awareness that the pick the Wolves gave up for him in a budding All Star elsewhere.)

[OptionZero]

Instead of Dlo, I am pretty sure we could have just sent a pick to BKN to get a massive trade exception

Stayed over the cap but WITHOUT the hardcap

kept Iguodala

Kept the 2024 pick

Used the TPMLE (we couldn't after the hardcap)

Even if Steph broke his hand and we tanked, at the deadline we would have had:

KD TPE (like $35M?)
all of our firsts and our 2020 pick would still be super high
no hardcap to restrict incoming salary

We could have probably done a hell of alot better than Wiggins + 2021/22 first and 2021 second

Hell, there's an argument that Iguodala for WInslow alone is better than eating that Wiggins deal

end of the day I think there's quite a bit of hubris from GSW coaching/front office- they REALLY believe in Wiggins more than any one else, certainly in the fanbase

[Duke4life831]

Dallas* not Denver

Or Myers could've just not done the sign and trade to get DLO and held onto Iggy and the 1st round pick and traded him at the deadline. Iggy by himself returned a better return than DLO got.

I didn't like the idea of attaching a 1st round with Iggy to get rid of him, but I thought in the long haul it would be worth it because GS would flip DLO and picks for a good asset. But flipping DLO for one of the worst contracts in all of basketball? Ya I would've much preferred Myers held onto Iggy and let KD walk. Then flip Iggy for an asset at the deadline, since it appears Iggy gets as good of a return as DLO got.

yea, the entire thing didn't need to happen anyways, DLo was always a terrible fit and was always going to get overpaid...to trade Iggy and a 1st rounder just to sign Dlo to that insane contract was nonsensical from the beginning.

let alone that he unloaded a 1st to to move Iggy who himself was a + asset onto himself.

Ya there really is no excuse to attach a 1st round pick for an Iggy salary dump. Only way that could be excused is if you had to do a last minute cap clear to sign a star. That is really the only reason. Either than that you realize Iggy is the kind of asset that you know a team will be willing to spend a 1st round pick (or young player) to acquire him, you don't use a 1st to salary dump that player. Again that's why I was okay with it when it first happened cause I just thought DLO was a one step to then getting that star player. Not flipping him for a freaking Wiggins contract.

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Did Russel piss off his teammates or something?

A difference of opinion between what the front office wanted and what the coaches wanted?

Everybody knew they didn't nab him to keep him long-term. What was the benefit for Russell to sign there instead of Minnesota? I know MN had to move some furniture... but was the money the same?

Because Russell had to have known he was gonna be moved. And he was... and now his team has fewer good teammates/assets for him. (Fast forward to three years when Russell complains without any self-awareness that the pick the Wolves gave up for him in a budding All Star elsewhere.)

It seems silly when

a) Russel never played with a fully healthy GS lineup

b) Saying he's not a fit but trading him for Wiggins who's probably a worse fit

[clyde21]

the fact that we also hardcapped ourselves with the Dlo deal is also another layer to Myers' stupidity

[Capn'O]

The Warriors seem to actually value Wiggins the player. Whether or not that comes to pass as wisdom or folly remains to be seen but I think that's why the deal went down as it did. They needed a starting SF and believe he could be it.

I'm not a fan but Myers track record is better than mine.

[AbeVigodaLive]

The Warriors seem to actually value Wiggins the player. Whether or not that comes to pass as wisdom or folly remains to be seen but I think that's why the deal went down as it did. They needed a starting SF and believe he could be it.

I'm not a fan but Myers track record is better than mine.

There's a reason why Jeff Green has played for 9 teams, including 6 in the past 5 seasons.

[mandurugo]

I'm scratching my head about the idea of acquiring a max salary guy who isn't expected to be a star.

The Kerr quote makes perfect sense to me given that Wiggins is on the roster -- but why again was he added to the roster at that salary??

Are you asking about Wiggins or Russell... sounds like both guys.

[MindState]

The Warriors seem to actually value Wiggins the player. Whether or not that comes to pass as wisdom or folly remains to be seen but I think that's why the deal went down as it did. They needed a starting SF and believe he could be it.

I'm not a fan but Myers track record is better than mine.

There's a reason why Jeff Green has played for 9 teams, including 6 in the past 5 seasons.

Jeff Green is the worst, he can go out and score 20 points one night, and 0 the next. Wiggins at least hits his numbers every night consistently. He just lacks effort to go beyond his averages.

[Capn'O]

The Warriors seem to actually value Wiggins the player. Whether or not that comes to pass as wisdom or folly remains to be seen but I think that's why the deal went down as it did. They needed a starting SF and believe he could be it.

I'm not a fan but Myers track record is better than mine.

There's a reason why Jeff Green has played for 9 teams, including 6 in the past 5 seasons.

I'm not sure if you intended it this way but that reads like a koan to me.

[vxmike]

Warriors will look crazy good when everyone's back. Remember, this team was a 72 win team with Harrison Barnes at the 3 spot.

Wiggins is comparable to Barnes, yet has potential to be MUCH better (although unrealized at this point and looks to forever will be).

The Warriors didn't NEED Kevin Durant. They needed a player who can athletically be great at defending, creating a shot, and shooting at the three spot- YET - work within the framework of a team.

They are perhaps the most balanced team in the NBA and I'm telling you guys, they'll have another dynasty within the next decade.

Curry - Thompson - Wiggins - Draymond - the first overall pick...

JEEEZUS.

Let’s pump the brakes a little. Klay is returning from an ACL, Curry/Green are several years older with a lot of miles, and they have absolutely zero depth compared to the 73 win team that had an awesome bench.

Wiggins has been an awful NBA player thus far, but he’s also been in a terrible environment. Maybe GSW can mold him into an a decent player...I’m skeptical (he has no motor...) but you never know.

They are going to have a top 5 pick this draft and a likely excellent pick from MIN in 2021. They have Wiggins for salary matching...who could they trade Wiggins plus picks for? They also have a nice TPE to get a depth piece.

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I'm scratching my head about the idea of acquiring a max salary guy who isn't expected to be a star.

The Kerr quote makes perfect sense to me given that Wiggins is on the roster -- but why again was he added to the roster at that salary??

Are you asking about Wiggins or Russell... sounds like both guys.

Did Kerr say that about Russell as well?

[Duke4life831]

The Warriors seem to actually value Wiggins the player. Whether or not that comes to pass as wisdom or folly remains to be seen but I think that's why the deal went down as it did. They needed a starting SF and believe he could be it.

I'm not a fan but Myers track record is better than mine.

There's a reason why Jeff Green has played for 9 teams, including 6 in the past 5 seasons.

Jeff Green is the worst, he can go out and score 20 points one night, and 0 the next. Wiggins at least hits his numbers every night consistently. He just lacks effort to go beyond his averages.

A big reason Wiggins gets his 20 points per night is because he gets his 17 shots a game. They're essentially the same player. Both guys that you would think would be the ideal wings, tall long athletic wings with solid shooting form.

Career per 36 numbers:
Wiggins:
4.4 rebounds, 2.3 assists, 1 steal, 0.6 blocks, 2.1 TOVs on 44/33/73 shooting (52 TS%)
19.8 points on 16.6 shots

Green:
5.4 rebounds, 1.9 assists, 0.9 steals, 0.6 blocks, 1.8 TOVs on 44/33/80 shooting (53 TS%)
15.8 points on 13 shots

Really the only difference between the 2 is Wiggins just puts up more shots. Both should be good defenders but both never ended up being good defenders. My guess is Wiggins would probably be on team #3 or 4 right now if he wasn't given that ridiculously dumb max contract.

[mandurugo]

I'm scratching my head about the idea of acquiring a max salary guy who isn't expected to be a star.

The Kerr quote makes perfect sense to me given that Wiggins is on the roster -- but why again was he added to the roster at that salary??

Are you asking about Wiggins or Russell... sounds like both guys.

Did Kerr say that about Russell as well?

I don't know, I don't think I've seen everything Kerr has said on the subject. I was just curious which player you were talking about, but I guess in hindsight since you went on to mention Wiggins I should have realized you meant him. Probably read your comment too quickly.

Anyway, to respond to your original question I guess that Golden State discovered the market for Russell wasn't what they hoped it would be, they had to match salary to make a trade and Wiggins also got them a first and second round pick. Pretty great deal for Russell as far as I'm concerned, though I know many GS fans thought he would bring them much more.

[thinktank]

The initial post made no sense because he’s trying to lower the standard by which Wiggins should be judged by To prove people are hating on Wiggins which in reality people are probably just disappointed in on Wiggins because he never lived up to his draft status and gets paid like he did.

All you’re doing is ignoring the context of Wiggins’ fit in the Warriors. Ie you don’t want to look at it the way the poster is because he might be right.

This feels like a clown show . Yes, if nba talent were broken into tiers, the more tiers Wiggins dropped he would eventually become the best player in that tier.

And so for the Warriors specifically, Wiggins as the 4th best player is an improvement for them over DLo.

Yes?