Semi-OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Thread IV (Must read Post 1)

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Holy **** ****

[Courtside]

This feels like WWII in the sense of businesses. There are hero businesses that have decided to help manufacture us out of this crises like Haynes, 3M, Ford, GM to make masks, protective gear etc. Then you see the worst in companies like Disney+Boeing whining about their profit losses.

Some companies are better suited to quickly switching to necessary production though. Not sure Disney is, for example.

Propaganda movies and hidden camera reality shows dealing with quarantine?

[MotownMadness]

The travel ban on China seemed that way due to Trump's history with travel bans. Besides, South Korea proved that you don't need a total travel ban to hpeople le it. They handled it just by banning travel from the Hubei region (the epicenter). All other travel between the countries continued as normal and that's something that drew a lot of criticism from the populace. And yet, it worked.

But that's enough about the travel bans. My point isn't related to them anyway. My point is that it simply doesn't matter if the people would have took it serious enough to make a difference or not. As a government you have to take it seriously and warned your populace. It's your duty to do so. Not doing so is a failure.

Right but if the people dont listen then what difference does it make.

Trump would have been ripped to shreads if he shut down everyones schools, buisnesses and locked them in their homes back in Dec-Jan.

I just drove up to McDonald's and theres still people out everywhere

He still hasn’t done that, fyi. And Dec/Jan is a long way from when it still would have been useful, rather than lying to the public about it.

Well if people still arent taking it serious because of Trump then why do you feel confident they would have back before we were ate up with it?

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If your sick and looking like you have Corona virus you can get a test. You basically cant just go grab one for self reassurance if thats what peoole are so concerned about with the testing.

Or am i wrong and we have people showing symptoms and going to the hospital to be rejected for a test

Dr. Fauci on the 12th.

"The system is not really geared to what we need right now," Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said in a House hearing about coronavirus test kits in the United States, which were initially dogged by technical glitches. "That is a failing. Let's admit it."

Fauci was responding to a question from Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, D-Florida, who asked about a claim by trade organization National Nurses United alleging that "countless" health care workers exposed to the coronavirus have been refused a test for it.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/it-failing-let-s-admit-it-fauci-says-coronavirus-testing-n1157036

Dr. Fauci yesterday.

Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said Friday that “more needs to be done” to make coronavirus testing widely available across the United States, even as the Trump administration ramps up its efforts to check Americans for exposure to the illness.

“Clearly, more needs to be done, but we are rapidly getting to the point where we will have many, many tests out there available for virtually everyone,” Fauci said in an interview on NBC's “Today” show.

“Early on, as I’ve said, it wasn’t the way it should’ve been. But we’re really now very much in the right direction, flooding the system with it,” Fauci said Friday. “There are going to be people, for sure, who will call in and say they can’t get tested. It’s not a perfect system yet, but we’re getting there very rapidly.”

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/20/fauci-clearly-more-needs-to-be-done-on-coronavirus-testing-138636

People with clear symptoms aren't being tested in LA, for example.

C.A. Lim woke Friday in her Venice apartment with a fever, dry cough, aching muscles, and a tightness in her chest like a corset she couldn’t take off.

At a Kaiser urgent care clinic, a physician and an infectious disease specialist told the 33-year-old nonprofit executive that she “clearly” had COVID-19, but that they couldn’t spare a test to confirm the diagnosis because she was not elderly or otherwise a high-risk patient.

“The doctor encouraged me to reach out to everyone I have been within six feet of within the past 10 days, and let them know I have COVID,” Lim recounted in an email. She and her husband immediately quarantined themselves and began calling, texting and emailing friends, colleagues and relatives, ultimately alerting some 60 to 70 people about the potential exposure.

Two co-workers she had crossed paths with at a training session in New York subsequently told her they also had come down with the coronavirus, she said.

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-03-19/coronavirus-patients-not-tested-not-counted

I stand corrected, the Gov of NY is lying through his teeth then cause he just said this morning if you show symptoms of the virus you can get tested.

No. It varies by state since the federal government isn't coordinating everything. States have had to come up with their own solutions.

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If your sick and looking like you have Corona virus you can get a test. You basically cant just go grab one for self reassurance if thats what peoole are so concerned about with the testing.

Or am i wrong and we have people showing symptoms and going to the hospital to be rejected for a test

Dr. Fauci on the 12th.

"The system is not really geared to what we need right now," Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said in a House hearing about coronavirus test kits in the United States, which were initially dogged by technical glitches. "That is a failing. Let's admit it."

Fauci was responding to a question from Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, D-Florida, who asked about a claim by trade organization National Nurses United alleging that "countless" health care workers exposed to the coronavirus have been refused a test for it.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/it-failing-let-s-admit-it-fauci-says-coronavirus-testing-n1157036

Dr. Fauci yesterday.

Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said Friday that “more needs to be done” to make coronavirus testing widely available across the United States, even as the Trump administration ramps up its efforts to check Americans for exposure to the illness.

“Clearly, more needs to be done, but we are rapidly getting to the point where we will have many, many tests out there available for virtually everyone,” Fauci said in an interview on NBC's “Today” show.

“Early on, as I’ve said, it wasn’t the way it should’ve been. But we’re really now very much in the right direction, flooding the system with it,” Fauci said Friday. “There are going to be people, for sure, who will call in and say they can’t get tested. It’s not a perfect system yet, but we’re getting there very rapidly.”

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/20/fauci-clearly-more-needs-to-be-done-on-coronavirus-testing-138636

People with clear symptoms aren't being tested in LA, for example.

C.A. Lim woke Friday in her Venice apartment with a fever, dry cough, aching muscles, and a tightness in her chest like a corset she couldn’t take off.

At a Kaiser urgent care clinic, a physician and an infectious disease specialist told the 33-year-old nonprofit executive that she “clearly” had COVID-19, but that they couldn’t spare a test to confirm the diagnosis because she was not elderly or otherwise a high-risk patient.

“The doctor encouraged me to reach out to everyone I have been within six feet of within the past 10 days, and let them know I have COVID,” Lim recounted in an email. She and her husband immediately quarantined themselves and began calling, texting and emailing friends, colleagues and relatives, ultimately alerting some 60 to 70 people about the potential exposure.

Two co-workers she had crossed paths with at a training session in New York subsequently told her they also had come down with the coronavirus, she said.

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-03-19/coronavirus-patients-not-tested-not-counted

I stand corrected, the Gov of NY is lying through his teeth then cause he just said this morning if you show symptoms of the virus you can get tested.

No, that's true in NY..but not really anywhere else. NY is doing by far the most tests

[Fairview4Life]

Right but if the people dont listen then what difference does it make.

Trump would have been ripped to shreads if he shut down everyones schools, buisnesses and locked them in their homes back in Dec-Jan.

I just drove up to McDonald's and theres still people out everywhere

He still hasn’t done that, fyi. And Dec/Jan is a long way from when it still would have been useful, rather than lying to the public about it.

Well if people still arent taking it serious because of Trump then why do you feel confident they would have back before we were ate up with it?

The federal government can actually get states to do a whole bunch of things if they want to. Especially if it’s a Republican president pushing the button, since D governors would do the right thing anyway and not just refuse out of spite.

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Holy **** ****

Yep.
Was just about to post this... awful.

I have a fairly strong suspicion we are undercounting deaths here due to lack of testing

[Optimus_Steel]

I am not sure what you mean by Koreans getting back into society. We don't have a quarantine here. When there was initial reports saying that this thing could spread, everyone as a collective worried and there was none of these "just the flu" bros here. So while people were not quarantined, from that point forward, (1) 90+% of people wore masks (2) people voluntarily cancelled all events (3) people practiced social distancing and (4) the government tracked down all the people who came down with the coronavirus and informed the whereabouts of their locations to the relevant people in the cities. If Korea had someone like Trump as the president, with the close vicinity to China (there are LOTS of people who go back and forth between Korean and China), and with extremely dense population (one of the most dense populated countries in the world), this country would have been absolutely destroyed.

Look, you can't say that if anyone was the President of another country, they would govern the same way. Each country has a unique set of risks that get prioritized. Pandemic was obviously a bigger risk in SK than in the USA. It's not surprising that SK was more prepared for a pandemic.
Nobody is saying that Trump is perfect. I am just trying to see how the USA is different from every other country that is going through this crisis? I use Canada as an example, because it's similar to the USA in terms of geographical location, and demographics. Canada is having the exact same issues as the US right now. If anything, Trudeau was slower to react than Trump. He only recently closed the borders to all countries. The reality is people just hate Trump, and will use any crisis as a cudgel to beat him with. The current outcome was inevitable in the USA, regardless of who was in charge.

I made the point earlier that if Trump had been aggressive on isolation 3 weeks ago, he would have been called an authoritarian dictator. It would be nice to see the Americans who hate Trump use this as a time to bring everyone together, but again they use it to divide the country even further when this is a time we need to come together. Trump is not perfect, but there is nothing to suggest that if Joe Biden was in charge everything would be under control.

That’s simply not true. You can look up Obama’s response to Ebola to Trumps response to the coronavirus and make a direct comparison. There’s a reason that Ebola was actually contained worldwide under Obama and why it wasn’t worse in the US. Leadership matters and you can ask any of the governors dealing with this that there’s actually no direction from the Federal government. Every one is doing things on their own. Let’s not get into politics because there’s no way with a straight face that anyone can accuse other people of playing politics with this. Focusing on leadership and the response shows that this has been a **** show because of who’s been at the top. I can provide multiple examples of the lack of clear direction and coordination.

Listening to several Governors it's clear that there is no leadership from the Federal government. It's pretty scattershot at this point, every state pretty much doing their own thing with lil coordination.

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Holy **** ****

They have more death, than EVERY other countries combined by 128 (excluding China).

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But Trump did a very **** job on how he downplayed this whole thing from the beginning. And you and I know that the only reason why he downplayed it was that he thought that it was a FUD that would affect the stock market and that was all he had in mind. Basically, if he was at least open-minded about these type of possibilities (which I think most presidents should be), then he would have brought a different attitude towards this whole issue months ago. Also, US should be better than other countries. The US has the best scientists and the brightest people working on variety of issues. I don't get why you need to grade him on a stupid curve when he (as a leader of the greatest country in the world) should be better than others. You have Kobe Bryant as your logo image. What would Bryant say when it seems like you are making excuses?

Guys, please stop derailing the thread with this extended Trump talk. Take it to the CA board so we don't get this one locked too.

I apologize as I will stop with the Trump criticism. I do think that this coronavirus pandemic is the most important event in the last half a century and I am frustrated by what I am seeing around the world.

The most important in half a century? Relax. Got a ways to go.

[OkcSinceSGA]

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/chinese-scientists-destroyed-proof-of-virus-in-december-rz055qjnj

China destroyed samples in Dec to cover up

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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/chinese-scientists-destroyed-proof-of-virus-in-december-rz055qjnj

China destroyed samples in Dec to cover up

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/03/china-coronavirus-blame-victory-propaganda-trump.html

[OkcSinceSGA]

China is the only stable market last I saw. All of the western world plummets. They must be loving this. They should pay the world financially for this crises.

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It was initially pushed by Warren and other democrats last week.

Agree. As I've said though it's crazy to see Trump align with the Dems lately more than his own party lol.

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Upside - Trump is not an ideologue. I don't think he'll oppose anything out of hand because he doesn't really have any beliefs
Downside - Trump is a liar and most of what he claims end up being false

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It was initially pushed by Warren and other democrats last week.

Agree. As I've said though it's crazy to see Trump align with the Dems lately more than his own party lol.

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We’ll see. Trump says lots of things. But It’s the type of thing that should be catnip to every politician and play well with the left and right.

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Guys, please stop derailing the thread with this extended Trump talk. Take it to the CA board so we don't get this one locked too.

I apologize as I will stop with the Trump criticism. I do think that this coronavirus pandemic is the most important event in the last half a century and I am frustrated by what I am seeing around the world.

The most important in half a century? Relax. Got a ways to go.

Well this is the biggest world wide event since WWII. The entire world is trying to handle this crisis. Sad part is, we are not even close to its peak. In Italy alone 793 people died today, Spain and France are just starting to get hit really hard as well. US is also in it's early stages and numbers of infected are steadily growing. I would say it's the biggest event since the 2nd world war.

China needed around 3 months to somehow contain it and they are now fearing that the 2nd wave is coming.

[ItsDanger]

Limiting stock buybacks shouldn't be their focus. Take an equity share, warrants, preferred, convertible. Something other than low interest long term loans. Pension/Mutual funds should be in on the action.

[Badonkadonk]

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/chinese-scientists-destroyed-proof-of-virus-in-december-rz055qjnj

China destroyed samples in Dec to cover up

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/03/china-coronavirus-blame-victory-propaganda-trump.html

I don't see any winners here.

China did the world a massive disservice with its dishonesty in the early stages.

The US will have literally cost countless American lives by its 2-3 month inaction, rejection of early WHO tests, dismantling of the pandemic team etc.

Both leaderships should be receiving condemnation.